It's definitely disheartening to see that Nintendo's core franchise title can't maintain a head of steam past release, considering the amount of Wii units sold in Japan. Although I suppose the Twilight Princess sales should have been telling, I just assumed that Mario would have, about a year later, done something more significant. It's not like Galaxy's numbers are bad, it just doesn't mesh with Nintendo's utter dominance of the market in Japan.
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Media Create Sales 11/5 - 11/11 2007
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Phife Dawg
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To be fair Z&W had a lot going against it on top of being a new IP. There are new IPs that have recently been a success in Japan. They are mostly (exclusively?) on DS though.Tenbatsu said:
Lobster said:
Not in Japan. I meant that there have been many successful new franchises on non-DS systems in Japan alone.
C.T. said:
I suppose so. I'm not one to think there are that many genuinely new game concepts, though. Treasure Island Z, while fantastic, is certainly not a new game concept, and I'd argue against most of the successful new DS franchises being classified as such either. Brain Training isn't. Nintendogs isn't. Ouendan isn't.
ivysaur12 said:
Capcom needs to make Treasure Island Z DS.
Lobster said:
Well, new IPs simply have to be very aggressively marketed as MS has done with their titles. And it's not like the Japanese can not accept new things when Wii and DS were taken up as quickly as they were. The market is simply losing interest in the traditional form of gaming, sadly and anything short of a cultural phenomenon (which is what Wii and various DS titles are) seems to be judged as failure. I'm still hopeful that Mario will still gradually gather sales as word of mouth spread and sooner or later the rest of the Wii market would discover it. But I also have to admit that since the release of the DS, I've also spent more time on portables. Playing on the train and in bed feels right, but in the living room gaming has to compete with TV and film.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
I'm curious about the new DS PSP marketshare trend. Not too long ago, the DS was doing 120 to 130k by itself, and the PSP was at around 20 to 30k. Now the DS stays at around 70 to 80k, and the PSP 50 to 60k. Seems the handheld market growth is pretty much the same, with the DS losing a lot of share to the PSP. This Christmas might be a really interesting battle in the handheld war.
I'm also wondering if Nintendo will create a new DS version before the end of the life cycle. A DS micro, or a DS Media Edition. I figure the handheld generation will wind down after 5 years. The Slim coming out now kinda requires them to put at least more 2 years into the generation before the PSP2, and Nintendo will keep the DS going as long as they can.
I'm also wondering if Nintendo will create a new DS version before the end of the life cycle. A DS micro, or a DS Media Edition. I figure the handheld generation will wind down after 5 years. The Slim coming out now kinda requires them to put at least more 2 years into the generation before the PSP2, and Nintendo will keep the DS going as long as they can.
If they own Wii Sports and are playing it, it's not quite the same as people walking into a store to buy Wii Fit and seeing Mario Galaxy on the shelf. Unless Nintendo is beaming Galaxy ads into Wii Sports Baseball, there IS a difference between these two groups: one will not be as likely to know Mario Galaxy even exists, the other will be much more likely to know it was something they could buy after seeing Mario's rotund little mug on a boxart next to their coveted Wii Fit treasure.Tiktaalik said:
mr_bishiuk
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hero said:
I'd wager that the Wii fit buyer is less likley to buy MArio than the current Wii user base, lets face facts the Wii is now a party/.fitness machine
Great idea but in Practice after the novelty has worn off the people who actually buy and play games on a regular basis want up to date technology and dont want the manual dexterity that the wii entails for long periods of time.
Terrell said:
This is actually the exact reason I think Mario Galaxy has failed, because unlike their efforts with the DS, Nintendo hasn't been releasing compelling casual software consistently for the Wii to keep people coming into the stores. After Wii Sports there's what really? People haven't had any reason to go to the store, and as a result they didn't know Mario Galaxy existed and weren't encouraged to buy it.
Tiktaalik said:
I've read it a couple times too, on 2ch. I think it's from Koji Igarashi. He was talking about where the next Castlevania would logically go.
Basically, he said that a large majority of fans (and thus sales) for the series comes from NA, and he went on to say that the PS3 hasn't sold enough systems, the Wii is interesting but not sure if he could pull off a Castlevania on it, so that leaves the 360 as the logical next system for Castlevania games since it has the most systems sold in America.
Kurosaki Ichigo
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Everyone seems to forget that first day sales for Castlevania were 8k of a 20k shipment. So if Famitsu has first week sales of 20k and MC 19k, it seems that....its sold out! (Vinnk check?).
Seriously, its not. BT2 launched on Christmas period, benefited greatly from Wii launch (absence of competence), with continuous sell-out of Wii hardware with 60-80k weeks. BT3 is only going to crawl to its first shipment, since its sell through the first week was poor.JoshuaJSlone said:
Ive actually read somewhere tonight that a revised DS is underway or is possibly finished. Its going to be slimmer with bigger screens and internal memory, and no gba support. Wont see the light of day until DS loses steam though.GreenGlowingGoo said:
Oh, and the PSP shares are still years away from ds, barely moved I think.
Well, Wii Fit isn't so far off that Galaxy is going to disappear from shelves. There's still hope for a casual game rush causing a sales bump for it, That's kind of the point, Wii Fit can still offer this kind of result you're looking for, though maybe not on the grandiose scale that we saw with DS titles.Tiktaalik said:
WiiFit will get things going in Japan for console gaming. Even if everybody is saying those people don't buy other games which is totaly false. Casuals have a push efect but also a pull effect (pull hardcore in, push more to outer rings). What a lot of people also can't seem to think of is that people who buy Wii's also automatically buy the system for every person in the household, so the hardcore kid could buy games for it as well.
Tiktaalik said:
I don't see Wii Sports players being very concerned about getting games on their first week either. Do people go to the stores because of particular casual software being released? Or do they go to the stores to see what's new that they can get for their Wii? They'll get it whenever they walk into the store with an extra bit of cash. They don't read up about the games, don't pre-order and probably don't really care about being the first ones to play the game. I'm just guessing of course, but it's hard to predict any pattern from something we haven't seen before.
I certainly don't disagree with you, Nintendo totally fumbled the ball that way, should have released the game in America first, get us and the internet abuzz with its success here, and released it closer to or after Wii Fit in Japan, in the absence of any other casual software to buoy consumer interest in what's on the Wii shelves. But I still think Galaxy is going to have enough legs to make it somewhat irrelevant in the end anyways... still on my wait and see approach, since sales of games before the holiday ramp-up in Japan can be pretty turbulent at the best of times.Tiktaalik said:
Version 3.0
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Anyone know if Galaxy is getting any marketing in Japan? Obviously it needs some. The little I've heard suggests it isn't, but it's never too late. I recall Pikmin had a late sales boost due to one of its songs getting some kind of publicity--I think it was released as a single, or incorporated into a radio release (?).
edit: found it on Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ai_No_Uta
edit: found it on Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ai_No_Uta
Nuclear Muffin
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sphinx said:
What about Mario Strikers Charged? that bombed and the whole point of it is multiplayer!
Kurosaki Ichigo
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Oh btw, release list time...I added Card Hero which is the ONLY Nintendo title on DS for December. The numbers are from Famitsu in case you are wondering why they don't match with MC.
11/08
NDS Katei no Igaku: DS de Kitaeru Shokuzai Kenkou Training - ¿¿??
NDS Mario Party DS - 242,000
NDS Yosumin DS - 4,200
PSP Akumajou Dracula X Chronicle - 20,000
(11/11) PS3 Shin Sangoku Musou 5 - 176,000
(11/11) PS3 Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction - 11,000
(11/11) 360 Shin Sangoku Musou 5 - 27,000
11/15
NDS Famista DS
NDS Game Center CX: Arino no Chousenjou
PS3 Heavenly Sword
PSP Anata o Yurusanai
WII Biohazard Umbrella Chronicles
Rest of the list:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8379282&postcount=454
I don't what happened with the DS Training from Rocket Company, I think it wasn't on the Famitsu data we received....
11/08
NDS Katei no Igaku: DS de Kitaeru Shokuzai Kenkou Training - ¿¿??
NDS Mario Party DS - 242,000
NDS Yosumin DS - 4,200
PSP Akumajou Dracula X Chronicle - 20,000
(11/11) PS3 Shin Sangoku Musou 5 - 176,000
(11/11) PS3 Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction - 11,000
(11/11) 360 Shin Sangoku Musou 5 - 27,000
11/15
NDS Famista DS
NDS Game Center CX: Arino no Chousenjou
PS3 Heavenly Sword
PSP Anata o Yurusanai
WII Biohazard Umbrella Chronicles
Rest of the list:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8379282&postcount=454
I don't what happened with the DS Training from Rocket Company, I think it wasn't on the Famitsu data we received....
Version 3.0
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AniHawk said:
That's scary if true. I'm still holding out hope that Japan will revive at least one home console. I grudgingly tolerate handhelds.
oo Kosma oo said:
Well I found one post from December 23, 2003 regarding R&C:GC. The game had sold 59k in a week. I don't know if the numbers were from that week or the launch week and were simply late. If it's the former, then the series dropped off in a big way after the third game. I did run across a LTD from 2006 for Deadlocked that had it around 180k.