They ran out of colors.Mato said:Why is PSP hardware so high? What happened to Nintendo's domination?
schuelma said:Well, Smash went:
816K
266K
165K
81K
MK Wii has gone:
608K
201K
143K
So it already looks to me like MK Wii is starting to show better legs.
jarrod said:I can name plenty of platform centric precedents if you'd like though?
Mato said:Why is PSP hardware so high? What happened to Nintendo's domination?
Sure...Paracelsus said:It'd be interesting to know which ones. Please name them.
PantherLotus said:
"Better legs" is not the conclusion I would have come up with.
Gaborn said:Nintendo still has around a 13 million unit hardware lead.
jarrod said:Sure...
Ridge Racer 7
Gundam Crossfire
Virtua Fighter 5
Gundam Musou
Armored Core 4
Mingol 5
Shin Sangoku Musou 6
GT5 Prologue
Disgaea 3
RGG Kenzan
...I could keep going if you like? :lol
kottila said:Really? The drop is higher week-to-week for SSB than for MKW. (Drawing conclusions from small datasets FTW)
PantherLotus said:
"Better legs" is not the conclusion I would have come up with.
Which is rather funny thinking back and remembering people proclaiming TP as a failure and the death of gaming imminent etc.JoshuaJSlone said:Two months from TP's release would be between the weeks where it was 394K and 404K. Current highest PS3 game is Hot Shots 5 at 384K as of February 11. From the end of 2007 to that point it was averaging ~1.7K a week. If that rate didn't drop it might have passed the ~400K TP was at by now.
Selling 40k on the first day was rather meh, even if it was to be expected. Most people (myself included) thought it would follow the usual pattern and that most first week sales would consist of its first day sales, to actually double first day sales is not bad at all. OK start for sure.gtj1092 said:Didn't they only ship like a 100,00 copies of Valkyria. So how is selling 78000 copies in its first week a failure. Why is there one standard for Wii/DS games as far as weather a game is a success and and a different one for Ps3/PsP games?
PantherLotus said:i think we have a fundamental disconnect on what "better legs" means here on gaf. anybody care to take a stab at it before i get extra schmucky?
jarrod said:Okay... but how "high end" was ASH in terms of production value? What previously successful SRPG series did we get from Mistwalker or Racjin? What sort of promotion and advertising did ASH get?
Forgotten Ancient said:Well, it would obviously be nicer to have more data points in the future, but when I think of legs I think of % drop from weeks previous.
If a game that started out with 10,000,000 sales dropped to 500,000 to 100,000 to 0, would you say that had better legs than a game that went from 400,000 to 350,000 to 300,000, to 250,000?
Eh, basically every impression was that the game feels cheap (8bit map graphics and all) and assumptions were made that Racjin was hired specifically because they *are* cheap. It also started the trend of Nintendo's famous nondisclousure and days-before-release halfhearted promotion for (promising) external products. See also; Soma Bringer.AnimeTheme said:It is definitely "high end" as a DS project. Mistwalker is new yeah, but we all know (or at least a significant portion of the target gamers know) who are behind this company. Lastly, the game was published by Nintendo, and you can say for sure that this game wouldn't go unpromoted and unnoticed.
PantherLotus said:...but that's not what is happening. we can talk % drops all day but when a title has sold fewer titles each week that its been on the board then we're really not comparing similar things at all.
i see your point (of futility) but it appears we're in a meta conversation about the meaning of legs and the semantics of percentage drops when we all know that there hasn't been enough data to say much, except for "MKW is clearly selling less."
if your assertion that it has "better legs" is just another way saying "it isn't dropping as quickly," you're saying that you're content with non-statements and can't make further analyses, especially after looking at the same chart that i'm looking at.
Is "no conclusion yet" another?Forgotten Ancient said:There are multiple conclusions one could draw from this chart. MK having better legs being one of them.
philharrison_lookalike_woman.jpgPantherLotus said:what "better legs" means here on gaf
Mario Kart group. More specifically Mario Kart DS, since I've only got up one week of the data for Mario Kart Wii.jarrod said:How's MKWii compare to MKDS?
jarrod said:How's MKWii compare to MKDS?
PantherLotus said:nice chart! it shows the futility of talking about legs at this point, especially when the orginal assertion by shuelma is that its "legs" would carry it to a better lifetime total.
ksamedi said:I think the upcoming Gran Turismo Mobile game will really cement its position as a gaming system. Atleast I hope it does.
3k first day, 12k first week? Here's some hope Falcom is happy and after Sora no Kiseki The 3rd we get Ys Origins and Ys Oath in Felghana. And that someone actually brings them overseas...that requires lots more hope though, sadly.Captain Smoker said:15. Vantage Master Portable (PSP) 12.000 [12.000]
PantherLotus said:nice chart! it shows the futility of talking about legs at this point, especially when the orginal assertion by shuelma is that its "legs" would carry it to a better lifetime total.
Pureauthor said:It's 'schuelma', BTW.
kswiston said:PSP is never going to pull developers away from the DS, but hopefully the moderately improved sales of PSP games (when PSP games are actually released) during the last six months will encourage more publishers to actually develop PSP games.
schuelma said:I'm starting to agree with others that Mario Kart might just beat out Smash Bros. over its lifetime.
Durante said:So, what's the last new franchise SRPG title that sold significantly more than 78k copies in its opening week in Japan?
I thought they were holding off on Ys specifically because it's more bankable for licensing? After the Konami disaster though, maybe everyone's afraid to bite? :lolKurosaki Ichigo said:3k first day, 12k first week? Here's some hope Falcom is happy and after Sora no Kiseki The 3rd we get Ys Origins and Ys Oath in Felghana. And that someone actually brings them overseas...that requires lots more hope though, sadly.
Really? What last gen SRPG game would that be?jarrod said:This really isn't at all like Valkyria frankly, ASH wasn't exactly a gorgeous HD game from the makers of the most popular last gen SRPG series.
I don't think I did any of the things you allege here (suggesting a level of correlation beyond "more than 0" or holding it up as dramatically more relevant). I merely contested the assertion that "This isn't an issue of genre". In fact I'm quite convinced that a comparable game would have sold significantly better on PS2 during its heyday. (I'm less sure that any current platform would have been much better though) It's a lamentable state of affairs really -- but 78k (out of 100) first week is somewhat above abject failure at least.charlequin said:Anyway, it's one thing to suggest that perhaps SPRGs sell worse than RPGs (this is a believable conclusion, though one I'm skeptical has the level of correlation you're suggesting) but to hold this up as having a dramatically more relevant effect on a title's sales than the extremely well-documented effects of its platform strikes me as... odd, at very least.
Sakura Taisen obv. What console SRPGs sold better last gen... not Fire Emblem, Arc Lad or Front Mission afaik?icecream said:Really? What last gen SRPG game would that be?
As you stated Sakura Taisen is from the Sega Saturn era, where it made the bulk of its sales... not quite last gen.jarrod said:Sakura Taisen obv. What console SRPGs sold better last gen... not Fire Emblem, Arc Lad or Front Mission afaik?
charlequin said:Yes. In the ideal situation, the steadily improved performance of the PSP will pull developers away from the PS3 and Xbox 360.
And yet, it was still the 2nd best selling SRPG series last gen. ST5 sold around 250k iirc, and was continually delayed and generally panned. Sakura was on the decline sure, but so were nearly all of SEGA's games after they went 3rd party.icecream said:As you stated Sakura Taisen is from the Sega Saturn era, where it made the bulk of its sales... not quite last gen.
schuelma said:Damn straight! :lol :lol
I think you mean ST4 on DC (or the original ST on PS2) because ST5 did pretty poorly...jarrod said:And yet, it was still the 2nd best selling SRPG series last gen. ST5 sold around 250k iirc, and was continually delayed and generally panned. Sakura was on the decline sure, but so were nearly all of SEGA's games after they went 3rd party.
 ▼ Sakura Taisen: Atsuki Chishio Ni 03.02.27 PS2 235,622
 ▼ Sakura Taisen Monogatari 04.03.18 PS2 73,091
 ▼ Sakura Taisen V Episode 0 04.09.22 PS2 61,879
 ▼ Sakura Taisen 3 05.02.24 PS2 51,563
 ▼ Sakura Taisen 5: Saraba Itoshiki Hito Yo 05.07.07 PS2 145,647
Durante said:I don't think I did any of the things you allege here
ksamedi said:The ideal situation would be that software houses hire new fresh talent, expand there development teams and develop more software.
PantherLotus said:kinda gettin bent out of shape for a simple prediction, aren't ya? i'm not attacking your character or abilitities, just making logical points. i apologize if i hurt your feelings though and not sure why you would attempt an ad hom against me. you of all people are above that.
that being said, i should have known "i have a feeling" meant "i've done all the research and have come to a logical conclusion and thus make the following prediction..."
Forgotten Ancient said:Asking someone to substantiate everything they say in a sales age thread (or most anything gaming related) is blatant douchebaggery.
Minsc said:Wow. Just wow. God forbid someone wants a discussion and cares enough to debate an issue on a point.
If you don't want your comments to be discussed, perhaps keep them to yourself?