ethomaz
Banned
We got WW number?
We have U.K. where it doing lower than FFXIII, Germany > 100k and NPD is tomorrow.
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We have U.K. where it doing lower than FFXIII, Germany > 100k and NPD is tomorrow.
onemanasylum
Banned
Square released 6 million including digital WW the other day, and it's only been 5 weeks.
KillerMan91
Member
If you ignore digital that is. in Germany it's way ahead of XIII as we got BIU update today (it reached 200k far faster).
ethomaz
Banned
Does BIU include digital? If not, then FFXV should be tracking far ahead of FFXIII over there (it would still be tracking ahead if they did, of course).
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I get the impression several people want FFXV to crash and burn.
It's ok though, I do have a feeling FFXII TZA will crash and burn here since it doesn't seem like it's JP's favorite FF.
It's ok though, I do have a feeling FFXII TZA will crash and burn here since it doesn't seem like it's JP's favorite FF.
ethomaz
Banned
It is tracking ahead... FFXIII needed 3 months to > 200k but it was launched in March.
onemanasylum
Banned
ugh, shipments, 95% of the time all we get are shipment numbers, it's really irrelevant, to square that is sold anyway, they would not be ordering more copies if a product is not moving.
Keep in mind digital was not a thing when ff13 launched. It is a significant part of the market now.
FFXII has a vocal audience but anecdotally speaking more casual fans don't seem to like it.
ethomaz
Banned
Nope... we get real sales all the time for the mains markets.
If it does (and I really hope it doesn't), the freakout among certain GAF posters will be epic. The blaming game would be hilarious.
onemanasylum
Banned
World wide? Were?
I mean the number people quote for FFXIII is also a shipment number. With stronger digital sales on consoles, FFXIII never releasing on digital for current consoles and the inevitable Directors Cut/ PC release FFXV will easily outsell FFXIII. Thats pretty much a given right now.
KillerMan91
Member
Pretty sure BIU includes digital. Not absolutely sure but I remember soneone mentioning it.
Wasn't it six months (that's what I gather from this press release)?
Translation:BIU-online.de October 2010 press release said:
ethomaz
Banned
I think you are new to SalesGAF.
We compare sales from games using NPD, GFK, MediaCreate... that is how we analyze if a game is doing good or not.
Shipment is not taken in consideration... it is good and all but there are a big margin of sold or unsold using shipment to compare games.
E.g. a game that shipped 4m could end selling more than one that shipped 5 million.
DarkLordMalik
Member
XIII was released during an extreme heat wave so Final Fantasy centers were empty worldwide and hence it slowly shipped to 6.8 million compared to 6 million for FFXV, which was released during the holidays when everyone and their grandmother was shopping for new games and FFXV appeared to attract them.
Also SE managed to ship 1 million more copies by blackmailing retailers otherwise there are still millions of unsold copies worldwide.
FFXV is such a big bomb that SE might go bankrupt. The budget was apparently 200+ million, even bigger than GTA V. The director is a liar who wanted to save face hence he said it was fixed budget, but don't believe him.
onemanasylum
Banned
So we don't get total WW sales number soften....most companies deal in shipped.
It is near total lifetime shipments of ff13 in just 5 weeks, there is no way to spin this as bad. We got updated shipments numbers so it's clear it's doing well.
That is true, but the fact that FFXV actually did a second shipment would mean that it does not fall into the category of games that overship badly, right?
ethomaz
Banned
I was sure it was June the award lol
It's way more complicated to play than the usual FF game, that's probably why.
ethomaz
Banned
At least the 1m includes digital from Nov 30 to early January.
The 5m possible only includes preorders or day one digital... or even no digital but nobody knows.
"Square Enix announced today that across digital sales and retail shipments, five million copies of Final Fantasy XV were shipped on day one."
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Word around the block is ffxvi will be a mobile gacha game because of it
DarkLordMalik
Member
5 million was shipped+digital and so is 6 million.
So they either sold 1 million more digital after initial 5 million (which included digital pre-orders as well) or they blackmailed retailers. It is simply not possible for FFXV to sell 2/3rd of its shipment because its a failure, in case you haven't heard it enough yet.
KillerMan91
Member
And using NPD, GFK and Media Create to determine global sell trough for any game is getting harder and harder every year.
a) we hardly know digital sales
b) GFK leaks/gives data about whole European market very rarely and NPD leaks far less data than in past (LTD data for software is pretty rare nowadays)
c) We get pretty much zero sell trough data from growing markets
Japan is pretty much only country where we can have exact idea how the game is doing as we get weekly retail data and Famitsu even gives digital estimates.
ethomaz
Banned
Where it did the second shipment?
You need to understand that overshipment or undershipment are region related.
Cool but it would be interesting to see how many digital preorders there actually are.
Obviously physical shipments take into account future demands whereas a digital copy can only be counted at point of purchase.
Is it hard to believe that some retailers are getting a few more copies? When I was out on a work trip in December I couldn't find a copy on the stores around the area I was in and like two of the stores were inside a military base where only soldiers and their families have access to. Its not that far fetched that stores are getting more copies
e-this was about 2 weeks before christmas
e-this was about 2 weeks before christmas
Sammy Samusu
Member
Remember when FF was multimillion celebrated franchise with no need for 50% price cuts to sell its launch shipment?
Good times.
Right now you're more obnoxious than all the FFXV detractors, so please stop.
What's happening with Sukiyaki? It didn't get another shipment since Christmas? Just when it seemed to be able to reach 1 million...
The initial five million did include digital sales. If you go to this document, and look at the translation (I used Google Translate) of the first paragraph, it says that final fantasy XV has sold 5 million copies on day one and shows a 1, which links to the bottom of the page to a note. Translating that, it says that it includes both intial shipment and digital sales numbers:
Google Translate said:
So, unless the translation tool managed to counterfeit a perfectly fluent wrong translation that invents new meanings that fit the context perfectly, I would say we can conclude that the 5 million number includes digital.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
YES!
KillerMan91
Member
And when Japan is the region with overshipment it makes it less likely that other regions have massive overshipments considering the game did get extra million update to shipments (yes part of the million increase is from digital sales but not all).
DarkLordMalik
Member
Ok. As you wish.
Right now you're more obnoxious than all the FFXV detractors, so please stop.
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Banned
What caused them to plug it back up again in the first place. Heavily requested? Or just a general" let's try again"
When Matsuda became CEO, he greenlit new entries in a wide variety of retired series in hopes of finding things that worked.
I'm not sure they've actually found a successful resurrection yet.
Kawazu does as he pleases.
Matsuda wanted to release a bunch of low budget games in hopes of replicating Bravely Default's success.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Aw man I can't knock the guy for trying at least that's for sure. Probably won't do anymore u guess?
They will try different series and also probably different release strategies.
SaGa has at least a mobile version to go through as well.
KillerMan91
Member
Nier Automata is going to be the chosen one!
I think we'll have to see NPD to be sure, there could be sporadic channel stuffing in the US (or more accurately, an attempt to fill retail channels without the initial shipment necessarily running out). The market is wide enough in the US that you can easily ship more to some locations that may have had high demand but then that stock ends up stuck because demand ended. But we really won't know how it did until NPD.
Still some parts of Europe were up considerably, others not. So we'll just have to wait and accrue more data to figure out what;s up with the 6 million figure.
Japan doesnt really channel stuff in most instances. Using Dengeki's 1.15M initial shipment, we're looking at less than 250k copies left. Close to 80% sell through. That may be bad for Japan, but I dont think 80% sell-through after 5 weeks would be that out of the norm worldwide. At least based on the shipment vs sellthrough data we have for other titles.
To my understanding, his stance has basically been that only the stuff that works keeps going.
Like they talked extensively about their sequel potential for Setsuna, but that studio is now trying a new series after that went poorly.
Similarly, the producer for Bravely Default said they would immediately propose Bravely Third if Bravely Second went well, and then after launch, implied they were looking at making a new series.
Valkyrie Profile 3 was also going to be propose if Star Ocean 5 notably succeeded, and uh, I think we can write that one off.
They're basically continuing on with the teams, but the brands (on console) seem to be getting the axe in favor of chasing new opportunities that are potentially more relevant to the current marketplace.
DarkLordMalik
Member
In Japan? I don't think it will do any better than the original.
It has good chance to atleast reach 1 million if we count WW sales for PC+PS4.
An example of what I said above, but applied to this, would be publishing a new Platinum game after Nier tanks, but maybe having it be Final Fantasy branded instead.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Damn so what are we thinking are the causes for the failures. Like say Star ocean is the IP just undesirable at this point it is the need to bring back and IP but also give it a somewhat (I'm assuming) low budget what's hurting the titles