So making spin-off is noy milking anymore. I guess Atlus never milked P4 either.
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So making spin-off is noy milking anymore. I guess Atlus never milked P4 either.
Did Atlus milk p4 to recoup costs from developing p4 because it underperformed? because that's the premise we're discussing here
FF XII had a direct sequel on DS and some cameos in FFTA2 and the Tactics remake. That's about par for the course for the post IX FF games. X has a sequel, XI is an ongoing MMO that's had a few side projects. XIII had two sequels. XIV technically has two completely separate versions and XV, well, we're just getting started on it.
By this logic, we should have hundreds of scaled figure merchandise of Monster Hunter armor.
Yet, we don't.
It's actually possible, but it would require a lot of effort to establish the characters (like those doujins does), and then the gameplay where it definitely have to depart from action. Most possible one will be RPG and team management, but isn't that already peaked with GBF, F/GO, and other numerous mobile game out there?
How did Sony get all these licenses like Fate and Magica Madoka? They literally print money.
I thought we were talking about the definition of milking. I wouldn't be surpried if Atlus indeed used milking to recoup P4's cost though. Atlus' last year financial report wasn't pretty, look at they are milking P5 now.
I thought we were talking about the definition of milking. I wouldn't be surpried if Atlus indeed used milking to recoup P4's cost though. Atlus' last year financial report wasn't pretty, look at they are milking P5 now.
flaviusconstantius
Member
On the topic of whether FFXV can run on the switch, I think it is worth noting that it likely would not be a PS4/XBone port but a Windows one. The game is already being ported to PC, and PC games tend to scale extensively, even if they don't always scale that well. People can mod GTAV into running on the GPD Win, I am far from certain that with some optimization work SE couldn't get FFXV running on Switch, perhaps with reduced draw distance. A whole lot of overhead was probably created by the original engine, and if they actually bother to port it to PC rather than merely brute forcing it then they will have the basis for a Switch version.
Then again, Nier Automata might indicate that SE has no real interest in putting much work into optimization their software.
Then again, Nier Automata might indicate that SE has no real interest in putting much work into optimization their software.
Aniplex are owned by Sony Music Entertainment Japan.
Aniplex owns A-1 Pictures (animation studio), Aniplex works on Anime, Music production, Retail Merchandising, etc.
Here's a link that goes into more detail if you want to read: http://www.aniplex.co.jp/eng/works.html
So anyway, Aniplex can be thought of as something like Bandai Namco with regards to multimedia aside from video games.
That's interesting, didn't know retailers got this kind of details. And yeah, today's Splatoon 2 is a pretty meaty one: two new maps, special weapons, and lots of other stuff coming via the weekly update later.
Get? Aniplex is involved in the production of both series.
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
Not to forget: NVIDIA helps with the PC version, guess which manufacturer produce the Switch chipset for Nintendo and has probably an interest that Switch sells good. NVIDIA has been very happy to use Switch success to promote their own hardware/chips.
There is no doubt that FFXV can run on Switch, obviously with some cuts regarding resolution or effects. But look what even ports like Fifa18 or Lego City look on Switch, most people don't even see the difference to the PS4/X1 versions. Switchs very good screen that has better contrast and sharpness than many TVs obviously helps in this regard.
It is going to be interesting to see if this one can stay strong considering how long the anime have ended and i heard the gacha rate is also quite bad right now?
DarkLordMalik
Member
You need to dig into the history of Square Enix when Versus was in the so called 'development.'
Yes. Initially it was just Nomura and a bunch of his core staff team from Kingdom Hearts that were working on Versus XIII. Just because Nomura has a hard-on for Visual Works cinematics doesn't mean the game was in active production before 2011. The first actual gameplay footage that looked relatively polished didn't arrive until 2011. Before that, all Versus had was visual works cinematics or very rough gameplay screenshots with a bland open world.
Versus had a troubled history because of a variety of reasons. It is less about sunk costs and more about fucking up on internal engine when Crystal Tools was deemed a failure for open world and it was supposed to power Versus XIII. FFXIII suffered as a result too so you might as well lump the costs of FFXIII with Versus XIII. Once FFXIII was out, another shit storm began with FFXIV which basically completely transformed SE as they rushed everyone to fix the mess. A lot of projects were cancelled or put on hold just to fix FFXIV and while the end result is remarkable, it also killed the Versus XIII and a whole bunch of projects.
So yeh, Versus XIII alone didn't make SE bleed money but it was the combination of FFXIII, Crystal Tools and FFXIV so I don't see why you can just single out FFXV here. SE had likely recouped the costs that they bleeded during this time with the money they made after milking FFXIII and are now 'milking' FFXIV. You bet they are gonna milk Kingdom Hearts 3, FFVII Remake and will do so with everyone of their successful IPs with projects on Mobile, Handhelds and Media.
They seem to be high enough to cause Bomberman, Arms or Mario Kart to jump in the Media Create ranking during the week of said bundles.
The Nintendo site for ordering Switch units was down?
Google translate:
http://mw.nikkei.com/sp/#!/article/DGXLASFL23HBD_T20C17A8000000/
Google translate:
http://mw.nikkei.com/sp/#!/article/DGXLASFL23HBD_T20C17A8000000/
Switchzilla strikes again lol.
It's Magia Record (Puella Magi Madoka Magica Gaiden/Side Story), but the latter is wayyy too long.
Half of yesterday did have emergency maintenance anyway (curse you Madocchi for suggesting it) and the 4* (highest rarity) rates are 1% for the (playable) magical girls, which is on the quite low side. On the top of my head, the standard is 3% (Theater Days), 3% Granblue (SSR) normally and 6% legfest, 3% FE Heroes (5* Focus, and another 3% for just 5*)
Due to that and the franchise not being as popular or otaku oriented as Fate is, I don't think this will stay up the charts too much.
Unless, say, the fans will support it from day one, and that there are a lot of them.
LordRaptor
Member
Opposite world logic is where 3DS games cost more to produce than PS4 games because of Speedtree.
I'm not singling it out - FFXIV is a subscription based title, and is therefore much easier to calculate projected incomes as literally subscribers * retention rate * time and the sunk cost of Crystal Tools as mentioned before is probably the biggest driving factor to adopting third party engines and increasingly multiplatform releases.
But I think it is fair to say that for the Square part of SquareEnix, Final Fantasy is their "crown jewels" franchise, and they have significantly more ambition for it than "covered costs day one".
No, that's your imagination because nobody said that.
CaviarMeths
Member
I find it unlikely that Atlus would need to milk P4 to recoup costs. Wasn't P4G their most successful game ever at the time? Why would they budget a game with the expectation that it will sell better than anything they've ever released? And then still fail to meet their sales expectations anyway? That seems like bad planning, to say the least.
More likely they realized Persona was their golden egg and they could easily leverage it to reduce risk for their less popular projects.
Magia Record is indeed basically FGO wth a Madoka skin. Gameplay is similar with a few nice tweaks, and lots of story. Nice presentation with the Live2D models as well. I'd probably enjoy it long-term, but I'm already playing Grand Order, I didn't get anyone good, the character pool seems really small, and part of the appeal is story, which I can't read, so I dropped it. Feels like it has potential, but the franchise has been quiet for awhile, so I don't know how dedicated the fans will be.
Yeah in 10 minutes
James Scott
Banned
Switch dropped quite a bit, though it's probably due to stock being held for the MHXX bundle next week.