If it only sells 500k...you can say goodbye to 2d metroid for another 10+years. Zero mission sold just under a million and shelfed the series. They don't obviously have major expectations...but there is a threshold point to where they wouldn't decide to make another new one.
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Sakura
Member
Eh, I disagree.
Yea it failed to gather the mass market it wanted. But it wasn't a niche product, and it wasn't a system that only had games for a specific market. For example Dragon Quest Builders is a game that came out on the system just last year, and sold more than any of the otaku centric games did/do/will.
Yes the games that are coming out for the system still in 2017/2018 are niche. But it is the games that are niche not the system itself. The PS2 was still getting VNs, dating sims, etc as well at the end of its life, but that doesn't mean it became a niche system. It's just that niche games happen to sell to their niche.
It's the same story with the PS4. Yes it isn't the most popular video game console to have hit Japan. But it isn't a niche product. It targets the whole gaming market with a wide variety of games.
How dare people posting in a Japanese sales thread devoted to hardware and software care about hardware sales!
Sammy Samusu
Member
Japan doesn't like strong females who don't need permission.
Japanese gaming sales thread, man.
You would be singing a different tune had the PS4 's fortune in Japan is better than this.
It wouldn't make a different. Prime 3 on the Wii only sold 10k more on its opening week in Japan.
The keyword is "more".... anyways it is a given PS4 isn't going to light the charts on fire like 3ds or switch so constantly harping on about how it is niche is not really doing anything but carry on if it makes you feel better. If Japanese publishers stop supporting the platform then hardware numbers come more into focus but that is not the case.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Holy crap people stop arguing semantics. Discuss concepts not labels.
Wasn't the game internally delayed for a long time?
Seems like a case where the game would've fared a lot better just a year ago.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
It's important to note because of the state of the domestic market. If the PS4 domestic sales aren't great and it's domestic software sales aren't specular what do you think is going to happen to all those domestic focused titles?
Keeping in mind how many Japanese publishers have reacted to the switch and how they respond to Nintendo in general do you for see an expansion or a contraction in domestic focused games?
I imagine the Metroid Amiibo had a pretty good attach rate to first week adopters of the game. Even if the game doesn't break a million (I think it could after the holidays), that's a nice chunk of change for Nintendo by itself.
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Also, it's probably worth them putting out the game just so we shut up about wanting Metroid for a while...
gundamkyoukai
Member
Are they really that much domestic focused titles ?
I don't think there is any company in Japan that focus mostly there even with smaller games.
Even more so now with more and more Japanese games coming on PC.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Eh, they can port it to Switch and grow the sales whenever they want. And 500k isn't necessarily a bad number. It's a 3DS game and it certainly didn't have a huge development budget.
Not huge, but definitely enough to warrant a lot of marketing. 500k is just bad by 3ds standards, especially a new mainline metroid. That would be nearly half of what zero mission sold.
Gotdatmoney
Member
500k is pretty good for the 3DS at this point in time. If Nintendo wasn't going ro bother releasing its shiny new Metroid game on its shiny new system I can't imagine the expectations were very high given this is 3DS' 6th year on the market.
There are some things about Samus Returns that point to it being on a small budget. There's basically one tile set used for the entire game. Many of the minor musical pieces like the item collection jingle and the ship landing music are lifted directly from older games.
I hope it sells enough to be considered a success, because Samus Returns is really good and I feel like Mercury Steam and Nintendo could work some real magic on a totally new Metroid.
7th year
#nitpicking
But yeah, I think Nintendo has moderate expectations for this game. Almost feels like a bone throw at rabbids fans after the FF "fiasco".
Metroid Prime 4, on the other hand...
I think the last bit is more due to them being really recognisable sound effects/jingles than the whole thing really being low budget. I mean, SE and music in general (when done in-house, and without any sort of real instruments involved) are far from costly.
What do you expect in Media Create Sales thread? Sales at "elsewhere"?
whyamihere
Banned
Good Switch hold, and solid legs on BOTW and Arms. Splatoon is a beast. I can't quite contextualize if this is good or not for Metroid.
SinCityAssassin
Member
If I was honest I expected a smaller opening.
Phrasing?
People must only discuss markets where the PS4 is doing great. Japan shall be forgotten.
It's pretty clear that Sony currently has more interest in leveraging Japanese developers to increase the value of their consoles overseas than attempting to revitalize, or even stabilize the Japanese market. So far, we haven't seen much evidence to suggest otherwise.
Yea that is totally what I meant.....
I personally don't see that happening. With Sony aggressively expanding in Asia, PS4 will be hard to ignore for Japanese publishers. Switch will get the majority of titles for domestic market but unless they are involved, I don't see third parties making many exclusives for it
Square2015
Member
Dragon Quest series famitsu historical: week 8
Code:
[U] DQ1 DQ2 DQ3 DQ4 DQ5 DQ6 DQ7 DQ8 DQ9 DQ10 DQ11
[/U]Week 1 ~80,000 ~440,000 ~1,370,000 159,000 684,000 1,455,000 1,862,065 2,236,881 2,343,440 420,311 2,080,806
Week 2 ~80,000 ? ? 81,000 685,000 449,000 1,072,286 559,524 602,856 70,352 426,189
Week 3 ~17,000 ? ? 81,000 477,000 308,000 329,317 200,033 271,206 45,470 188,250
Week 4 ~17,000 ? ~181,000 ? ? 134,500 154,797 116,731 172,728 20,616 154,130
Week 5 ? ? ~181,000 ? 178,000 134,500 83,918 118,119 106,514 13,616 53,251
Week 6 ? ? ~97,000 ? 178,000 80,154 64,351 95,879 121,139 9,560 46,709
Week 7 ? ? ~97,000 ? 106,000 51,881 43,717 56,945 79,452 7,577 34,652
Week 8 ? ? ? ? 51,000 45,005 33,852 22,175 68,125 5,961 18,589
8 wk tot: ? ? ? ? ? 2,659,680 3,644,302 3,406,287 3,765,460 593,463 3,002,576the truth is you have no idea what their expectations, budget or profitability is with this game but you talk like what youre saying is unequivocal truth.
500k of a dead franchise , i think , would make them happy but i dunno. none of us do
TheLegendaryN
Member
The sales number of Metroid: Samus Returns will be a lot more interesting once we have a full year of Metroid Prime 4 sales. Then we know how the latest 2D and 3D Metroid compare. Nintendo will be satisfied with 500k for Samus Returns. It means $20M retail revenue. Cut a share and it'll still cover the development costs. This is a small project, so Nintendo didn't greenlit Samus Returns for the hard cash, but just to gauge fan interest. They'll compare Samus Returns sales with Metroid Prime 4 sales, and probably won't decide on what they'll do with either branch of the series until after that. But that's just my guess.
BanjoLayleeYookaKazooie
Banned
I mean if you're able to explain your original ridiculous comment I'm ready to hear it at least. It looked to me, and clearly several others, that you don't like it pointing out that there is a country where the PS4 hasn't sold really well... in the thread discussing video game sales about that specific country. Answers like "yea that's totally what I meant" don't help us understand any further.
Please shed light on the situation and enlighten us as to your point.
He said that PS4 japanese sales aren't that relevant in terms of third party support from Japanese software house, (that obviously in this moment could be the only relevant cmment about PS4 hw sales considering how he console is selling ww), because:
very few Japanese companies are greenlighting projects looking only at Japanese domestic software sales
PS4 is becoming relevant in te Asian market, with sales able to compensate the Japanese market contraction
You can isagree (and I will continue to comment Japanese sales also "per sé"), but he actually tried to explain his stance
BanjoLayleeYookaKazooie
Banned
That is a reasonable point to raise, and starting off like that might have made for better discussion.
Still doesn't change the fact that it's ridiculous to come into a thread about Japanese sales and throw shade at people for... caring about a console's sales in Japan.
And we all know that point anyway so it's not really an enlightening point of discussion anyway.
FalsettoVibe
Member
Good grief....
There isn't a single 3DS game from Nintendo this year that will top 1m this year, except Pokemon, and there are many of them that have come or will come out. Nintendo knows 3DS is past its prime and has low expectations for software.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
That, and it's a Metroid game...in Japan. Just what were some of you expecting exactly?
Nintendos main goal with those 3DS releases is to keep the hardware sales up since that's where they are making the money....it doesn't really matter much how well something like Metroid sells. It helps them market the 3DS and repairing some bridges to the audience prior to Prime 4.
A bad critical response would have been a issue for Metroid though.
A bad critical response would have been a issue for Metroid though.
frankie_baby
Member
I think its more a case of keeping 3ds owners engaged until they get round to buying a switch, which for some may still be a couple of years off, they dont want a repeat of the wii to wii u transition
test_account
XP-39C²
But its been at ~25k for a while now, why would it suddently jump to 30k minimum at this point in time? No major changes have happened to the PS4 in more recent time.
Vita hasnt had much relevant support (as in big selling titles) in quite a while now, so i wouldnt expect those to start moving a lot of PS4 hardware. Many of those games are also multiplatform (PS4/Vita), not PS4 exclusives. You also point out that those third party releases arent affecting the hardware sales that much. Would there be any reason to expect a noticeably jump in PS4 hardware sales at this point in time then?
I dont think that DQXI was expected to carry hardware sales at a larger scale for months, regardless of platform.
Its too early to talk about games coming out in 2018. In comparison, the only big title we know of coming to the Switch is Pokemon (if it doesnt get released in 2019), but i'm sure the Switch will have a great year hardware wise.
what constitutes big?
Kirby and FE could flirt with 400k-500k, but it may be too early in switch's life.
your point stands in any case
Why are people so offended that the PS4 Xbox One is niche in Japan? That's literally what it is at the moment, it's a fact.
That doesn't make it a bad thing though.
If you want to make it sound bad, then call it a failure sales-wise, which it definitely is.
If you want to sound delusional, then call it a success, or say that its sales are fine compared to its predecessor.
That doesn't make it a bad thing though.
If you want to make it sound bad, then call it a failure sales-wise, which it definitely is.
If you want to sound delusional, then call it a success, or say that its sales are fine compared to its predecessor.
BrokenJohnCena
Member
why don't we discuss about sales in the UK instead,the ps4 is doing much better there,discussing about ps4 sales in Japan is not fair
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Gotdatmoney
Member
Yakuza Kiwami shipped more than 200k in Asia. Big games like FFXV will have even bigger number. It's definitely not a drip of water.
Does anyone know if there's any livestreams happening for TGS?
Gal Metal will be presented at 11:30am (JST) but it doesn't look like there's a livestream for it.
The DMM site only lists Livestreams for the public days of TGS.
And the Gal Metal page only has a countdown timer.
Gal Metal will be presented at 11:30am (JST) but it doesn't look like there's a livestream for it.
The DMM site only lists Livestreams for the public days of TGS.
And the Gal Metal page only has a countdown timer.
Left Alive have a stage event tonight, I think it will be streamed.
Kiwami was bundled and every Yakuza since has done worse.
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
Member
Splatoon 2 just can't do better while Switch is selling this poor. Please next week be over 80k again.
I'm expecting sub-50k until Fire Emblem Warriors, but probably way more each week after that with Mario launching and leading into the shopping season.