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Metroid: Team Ninja wants to work with Nintendo again Hayashi
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Absoludacrous
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I remember when Other M was first announced, I said I didn't think Team Ninja could pull it off.
People reassured me it was ok because Sakamoto was still involved.
People reassured me it was ok because Sakamoto was still involved.
Hang on, etiolate hasn't gotten here yet.
efyu_lemonardo
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dude my thumbs up means the opposite, have you played the game?
lol
To be honest I wasn't sure for a second because of the awkward execution, so I looked up the original context the image was taken from and found it was a blog about the best Wii games of 2010
Zomba13
Member
/thumbsdown
As in yes objections not Samus stupid no objections bull shit god damn that fucking game.
MarkMclovin
Member
I thought Other M was alright, so I'm OK with this.
I'm sure they'd be able to make something better than Other M. They'd have to try to make something worse.
But "At least better than Other M" isn't a standard the Metroid series should settle for. That's not remotely approaching the lofty standards that the series used to live by. This is a series with multiple legitimate best game ever contenders. This is a series with FIVE games rated at least 90 on GameRankings, and a sixth one just barely missing out by a tenth of a point - to clarify, that's every game released since Super Metroid except the DS games and Other M.
So while I'm certain much of the blame for Other M goes to Sakamoto, Metroid isn't a series you throw at the team who made the only bad game in the series for another shot (especially when Ninja Gaiden 3 is pretty universally maligned, and the DoA series has pretty much become a joke). That's how you kill the series.
To save the series, you have to step back, look at why all those previous games got such great scores, look at why Super Metroid and Metroid Prime frequently show up on best game ever lists, and work with a studio who's talented enough to recapture that.
Zomba13
Member
The game itself was fine. I quite enjoyed it. Would have been better if they used the nunchuck for movement but oh well. The story and what they did to Samus though I hated.
The Anti-Monitor
Banned
Pretty much.
This makes zero sense. You are saying Other M gameplay was perfect its just the story that ruined the game? Since when has a Japanese story ruined any game. It's not even the worst offender. Try playing FF13. 40 hours of nonsensical story compared to 1.5.
Other M was a huge risk and it's not surprising they didn't get it fully right the first time. It's not anyone's fault particularly. You learn from the experience.
SolarPowered
Member
Maybe down the road, but they really need someone different to work with the series for one last Prime inspired game. We deserve at least one for Nintendo's first HD console so we can remember it fondly. They can make a 2D one afterwards if they want to.
Some folks tend to act like it's all good just because Nintendo sends some of their guys, but they make mistakes too. Sakamoto was the one responsible for a lot of the glaring issues people just can't get over. Team Ninja is fine. Sakamoto? Not so much....
Neff
Member
Other M's only serious problems were the very silly, mostly boring, apathetic, disastrously loquacious, absurdly bloated self-indulgent story with endless unskippable (on your first playthrough) cutscenes, and at a stretch, the hunt the thimble scenes (which I personally had no problem with). On repeat plays, neither are a problem ever again.
A lesser flaw, and more a stupid oversight, is that the game never teaches you how to dodge in first person, even though you can do it from the very beginning, meaning countless players offered themselves as sitting ducks while aiming. Once you know how to do it, you're dangerous rather than doomed, and first person aiming becomes fun instead of intimidating. The 'authorisation' concept is ridiculous in terms of logic and immersion, but the distribution of the upgrades is worked into the controlled progress of the game classically and expertly.
Everything else about Other M was sublime. It did everything Metroid needs to, extremely well. It's catastrophically underrated and misunderstood.
A lesser flaw, and more a stupid oversight, is that the game never teaches you how to dodge in first person, even though you can do it from the very beginning, meaning countless players offered themselves as sitting ducks while aiming. Once you know how to do it, you're dangerous rather than doomed, and first person aiming becomes fun instead of intimidating. The 'authorisation' concept is ridiculous in terms of logic and immersion, but the distribution of the upgrades is worked into the controlled progress of the game classically and expertly.
Everything else about Other M was sublime. It did everything Metroid needs to, extremely well. It's catastrophically underrated and misunderstood.
I don't think the gameplay was perfect, nor do I think the story ruined the game. I enjoyed the game overall. I just thought the writing was total drivel and the massive amount of dialogue and exposition was not something that Metroid needed, nor was Sakamoto's idiotic depiction of Samus.
How? D-pad like 3rd person view?
If you flick the Wiimote, you dodge in that direction.
Neff
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Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Getting an "superior" version of Ninja Gaiden 3 and being the publisher totally let you suggest such a possibility.
storafötter
Member
I would only expect bouncy boob simulator Peach gaiden coming from them. I think they know their stuff but I would prefer if Nintendo IPs stayed away from them.
efyu_lemonardo
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how about they just start with remaking Metroid 2? you know, the only game in the series that is bordering on unplayable?
It would be a good way to get some more practice in, if they do choose to continue the series later on.
It would be a good way to get some more practice in, if they do choose to continue the series later on.
IdreamofHIME
Member
They weren't the one's writing the story for Other M. The story was all Sakamoto's......baby.
Yeah, there were a few oversights like this. It took me ages to work out WTF I was supposed to be doing with the power bombs towards the end in that creature's stomach, they tell you explicitly when you have a new power available except for that one time. The game just lacked the elegance of previous Metroids.
Magicpaint
Member
I can't believe people think gameplay wise Other M was okay. I wish that was the case. The story was just the nail on the coffin. That game was a colossal mess.
And please, stay the hell away from Metroid Team Ninja (and Sakamoto with a budget).
And please, stay the hell away from Metroid Team Ninja (and Sakamoto with a budget).
Visualante2
Member
Better off giving it to ACE Team
Magicpaint
Member
Terrible dodge mechanics (leading to brain dead combat scenarios of mashing the d-pad), awful platforming mechanics, zero sense of exploration and discovery. These are more than just 'a few rough spots'. I mean this is Metroid we're talking about here, not some generic action game.
Neff
Member
Nintendo was about to hire Westone to make the ultimate 2D HD Metroid but then they saw your post and realised you're right so now they're not going to.
Sakamoto designed the original Metroid and Metroid 3. The only game Yokoi ever designed was Dr. Mario. Yokoi was a hardware genius, gadget inventor and team manager not a game designer.
I see what you did there
OK then, 3D Metroid games should stay away from Japanese developers.
IrishNinja
Member
well somebody's gotta do f-zero
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
It'll never be "done". Even with Starfox, all it takes is one solid internally developed title and all is forgiven.
As I recall Other M did better Japanese sales than the Prime series, so it wouldn't suprise me at all to see Team Ninja given the chance to work on the franchise again.
Magicpaint
Member
And the best selling Metroid game is still Metroid Prime. Let's not pretend that Other M was a success on any level.
The story of Other M was just fine, as was the basic gameplay, graphics, sound and other stuff. There were some problems with the game like no analog control (digital controls wroked but could've been much better), music (what was there was good for the atmosphere, but as music it wasn't good except for the title theme), the useless 1st person mode especially in those hunt for the tiny spot to advance and finally the length of the game (too short). It had lots of great ideas, but fell short on some of them. Still a solid 8/10 game IMO.
StoppedInTracks
Member
No. Get the fuck off Nintendo franchises Team Ninja Dogs.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Let's also not pretend Nintendo cares about Metroid. It's only big in the west so it's a red headed stepchild.