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mgs4 scans - bosses shown
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psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
:lolgreatestjediever said:
I cant really make a joke with my code name: Informer Echidna
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
Sounds like they're going to be like raiden if those bosses are a combination of human and machine, unless the humans are normal and those exoskeletons are more like their costumes rather than part of their bodies.BigBoss said:
nelsonroyale
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Kuroyume said:
yeah, they absolutely need to keep that atmosphere in the game...When fighting crying wolf, I want it to be tearing all over the landscape, constantly in motion....No particular pattern, and none of this standing still to shoot rubbish
Couldn't someone put up a torrent of this instead? D: Make it easier for everyone else who doesn't want to download and ftp client >.>Holtz said:
freethought
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Ether_Snake said:
Well, I've never played MPO so I can't comment upon that. I will say however, that it was the circumstances surrounding the Boss' death that to my mind sowed the seeds of Outer Heaven in Big Boss' mind. The way she was used as nothing more than a disposable tool of the politicians is where the idea of a world ruled by soldiers originally came from. After all, the Boss didn't betray her country, her country betrayed her.
Regardless, my point was the similarities between the permanent war from 1984 and the world Liquid specifically is striving to create, notably the Colonels dialogue at the very beginning. Honestly, I think the motivations of Big Boss are immaterial at this point, although I guess I want to say that I'm very uneasy with the idea of Snake continuing their legacy. He wishes nothing less than an end to war, something neither the Boss nor Big Boss had ever sought.
Still, I suppose they might have thought they were sowing the seeds for peace. There is certainly an argument to be made there. But I can't help but feel that the Boss set herself up as a cautionary tale for Big Boss, to let him know soldiers are nothing more than tools, which is why he sought to change that.
Andvary
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psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
freethought said:
Well said. Thats the way I see it too. I think Big Boss created Outer heaven because he was angry about the way that thew boss had been treated by her country. He wanted to create a world where soldiers were more than tools and had a control over their own destany. Big Boss didnt want to create a world of war, but by trying to create a world for soldiers, that was what he was going to cause. He let his personal get in the feelings of doing what was right for the world.
Liquid has misinterpreted what Big Boss wanted. Liquid is trying to create a world of war like Big Boss did, but both are doing it for different reasons. Big Boss did it because he believed that soldiers shouldnt be politicians puppets, but Liquid did it because he thought Big Boss wanted the strongest soldiers to have power.
Snake seems to be the one thats realised that people like him, Big boss, the boss and liquid are the reason why these wars happen. Thats why I think he was going to shoot himself in that trailer. I dont think snake will die like that if Kojima showed snake pointing the gun at himself in the trailer, but I do think Snake will try to get rid of anyone connected to The Boss, inclduing himself because he realises that its his genes and his fathers gene's that have caused so many problems.freethought said:
I dont think the Boss would have done that. She knew Big Boss pretty well, so she might have known how he would react if he found out how she had been treated.freethought said:
GotchaForce
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I think Raging Raven is voiced by the guy who does Invader Zim....
freethought
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psycho_snake said:
Not only might she have predicted it, she might have been counting on it. The Boss really did seem to be a bad guy, the trouble with MGS is that pretty much every single character is acting out of their own selfish desires, except Snake, Solid Snake that is. But despite that, they're still very sympathetic.
I said the Boss sacrificed herself to teach Big Boss a lesson but I don't think this is true. The Boss didn't even sacrifice herself, she was ordered on a suicide mission and being a soldier she had no option but to accept the mission. Teaching Big Boss a lesson was secondary, but it couldn't have been clearer; don't allow yourself to become a pawn in someone else's scheme.
â Narayan
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Perhaps her body is only encased within the "exoskeleton"Laurent said:
(If it even is an exoskeleton.)
I don't know. Makes sense to me.
freethought said:
Yeah, I definitely have the same sentiments regarding this.
Raging Raven is voiced by a woman.robut said:
:OAggelos said:
For the reals? I totally thought it was him. Everything about the voice seemed so familiar.
Aggelos
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U K Narayan said:
Yes, the JP VA is Fujiwara Keiji (Mr. Sigint)
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=949
Thus after the unvealing of Eva, it is very likely to be Mr. Sigint
Did they stated that the girls were the wolves?U K Narayan said:
Sn... SNIPER WOLF! Weird coincidence...
If these girls are wolves, no way their legs are open wide like that, that's just... too... well... Kojima? Then it's confirmed! :lol
Guys, there is no way that a human body would fit into Wolf's body in the way that you guys are drawing. Wolf is freaking huge in comparison to the other soldiers, and like Laurent said, legs don't spread like that. If there's any remains of her original body in there (if at all), then I imagine it to be only partial.
Femmeworth
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Thanks.Laurent said:
What Snake's trying to get rid of isn't his genes, but his memes, the ideas that he has inherited.psycho_snake said:
Also, just to add to the conversation are these pictures. They're a little old, but the comparison is still uncanny.
First picture aside (as its taken from the first trailer), anyone that played MPO should understand the significance.
Seems like there is a bad guy, a chopper and soldiers suffering in EVERY GODDAMN METAL GEAR SOLID GAMES... But yeah, the angle and the presentation comparasion is interesting...Darkpen said:What Snake's trying to get rid of isn't his genes, but his memes, the ideas that he has inherited.
Also, just to add to the conversation are these pictures. They're a little old, but the comparison is still uncanny.
First picture aside (as its taken from the first trailer), anyone that played MPO should understand the significance.
I take it you never played MPO.Laurent said:
The significance isn't so much the camera angles, but what's going on. In MPO,
Gene, the leader of Fox insurgency who plans on sending nukes to Langley and considers himself the successor of The Boss, wishes to create "Inner Heaven," a world for soldiers, blah blah blah. In the scene being depicted, he uses his supernatural voice to convince the soldiers that there's a traitor in the group, and that they must kill the traitor. The soldiers get paranoid, and it all ends in a massacre, as Gene leaves to launch the real Metal Gear
I see... I saw some footage on YouTube to get the story but it did not go that farDarkpen said:
(I can't believe they named the bad guy GENE)
you called it Inner Heaven for MPO. Is that actually how Gene reffers to his plan?
Ether_Snake
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No he calls it Army's Heaven.
It is very clear that The Boss' personal mission in MGS3 was to make sure Big Boss would know what it means to walk her path. She clearly said a soldier's skills should not be used to hurt friends, etc. Her mission was to lead Big Boss to brake free from the cycle, to reject his future fate. But at the same time she tells him that he won't escape it; he who inherits the title of Boss will live the rest of his life in conflit, as a soldier. The exact same thing Big Boss told Snake before his final battle.
Big Boss failed, he became a prisoner to his fate, and didn't manage to break free. So in MG2, he, like The Boss, is probably just following orders, but his personal mission is to make sure that Snake rejects the methods and ideals of the ones who have controlled The Boss and Big Boss' fates. He never tells the truth to Snake because he wants Snake to reject him, to never become like him. He wants him to break free from the cycle.
It is very clear that The Boss' personal mission in MGS3 was to make sure Big Boss would know what it means to walk her path. She clearly said a soldier's skills should not be used to hurt friends, etc. Her mission was to lead Big Boss to brake free from the cycle, to reject his future fate. But at the same time she tells him that he won't escape it; he who inherits the title of Boss will live the rest of his life in conflit, as a soldier. The exact same thing Big Boss told Snake before his final battle.
Big Boss failed, he became a prisoner to his fate, and didn't manage to break free. So in MG2, he, like The Boss, is probably just following orders, but his personal mission is to make sure that Snake rejects the methods and ideals of the ones who have controlled The Boss and Big Boss' fates. He never tells the truth to Snake because he wants Snake to reject him, to never become like him. He wants him to break free from the cycle.
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
Good point. It sounds like something the boss would do. She carried out her mission because she had to, but at the same time she might have been counting on Big Boss to understand what happened to her and try to change things so that soldiers dont have to do what she did. That would give more reason as to why she really wanted snake to know about her mission; she felt like he was the one that could change things.freethought said:
Well spoken, and yes, my mistake its Army's Heaven. I think I was thinking "Inner" since that's the opposite of Outer Heaven D:Ether_Snake said:
The name "Outer Heaven" comes from when Snake says to
Gene, "My heaven is outside your heaven," after hearing what Gene had to say about his dreams
That's even more evident in MPOpsycho_snake said:
with the whole case with Gene and his goals. Being the sole result of the Successor project for the Boss, he was doing what the Boss wanted, or at least what he saw in that.
I think its entertaining to think that each martyr was trying to change their successor's way of thinking from how they thought themselves. In a way, through Big Boss's death, Solid Snake inherited all of those memes, and thus, explains why we see him talking about ending his memes by putting a gun in his mouth.
freethought
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Ether_Snake said:
Are you sure about this? It seems to me Big Boss did break free of the fate the befell the Boss. He wasn't beholden to any power higher than his own, at least that's my understanding. Do we have any kind of proof that Big Boss was just a puppet of the Patriots?
The fact that both met similar ends is probably pertinent. I just think the circumstances couldn't have been any more different; The Boss lost her son, her lover, her family, her home, her country and her honour all in the service of her political masters, Big Boss on the other hand, was killed by his son in pursuit of his own twisted dream.
Femmeworth
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sypher said:
Damn, they are fast.Ether_Snake
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freethought said:
Well there are a few hints. One, in MPO Big Boss is clearly opposed to the use of nuclear weapons, he is hihgly personally driven to stop the nuke from being lunched, and a woman he saves (Elisa) speaks to him about her fear/hatred of nucealr war, etc. Big Boss is also told that his future son(s) will both ruin and save the world, she even tells him he will build a new Metal Gear. Then add the fact that The Boss was seen as villain by everyone, it was her role, when in reality she was just following orders. And how Big Boss actually accepts, after the MPO mission (and after being used once again), to become the leader of Fox Hound because he feels he has to pass over what has been handed down to him. And the fact that it is almost certain he accepted to join The Patriots.
The "villain" of MG2 makes no sense under that light. It is far more likely that after years of trying to do things right, he ended up in the same situation as The Boss. He gave everything up, sacrificed everything, for the mission. But in the end he didn't escape his fate.
The Snake Eater mission and the similarities between the way The Boss acts and Big Boss in MG2 are pretty strong.
Anyway that's what I think the retconing will show. And it would make sense, if it's his grave in MGS4 that Snake salutes. It has the same words as those on The Boss', and it shows how in the end he lived and died in the same way as her, and now Snake is saluting him because after all these years he realized something he had not till now.
freethought
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Ether_Snake said:
Well, if it turns out Big Boss was a member/instrument of the Patriots then surely the plots of MG1 and 2 are rendered nonsensical. What was the point of any of it? Again I haven't played MPO (although it really does seem like I should) but from the ending of MGS3 it certainly seemed like Big Boss was planning to seize the Philosopher's Legacy for himself, in fact that's what I assumed happened, then he built Outer Heaven.
But if your theory is correct, then were the Patriots simply trying to achieve the same end in MG and MG2 that they are trying to achieve in MGS4. Of course that's assuming that Liquid is acting precisely as they anticipated, which I guess is likely. Still it raises as many questions as it answers.
Barkley's Justice
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rage! rage! isnt it funny! hahaha! *wooooooolf noise*
wow, the english voice acting on that new trailer fucking SUCKS
wow, the english voice acting on that new trailer fucking SUCKS