What rubbish. That would have to be some powerful light to make a black wire look white.
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Microsoft and Samsung demos "Xbox display"
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Graphics Horse
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They can test each 'pixel' to see how it reacts under different colours too, and use that info to compensate the projection colour as they're not using a simple white background .
That still doesn't explain why the original wires aren't visible in the distorted frame.
I don't think this really matters at all - the video communicates the idea fine - but I think you're stretching there, just a tad.
I was about to sarcastically make a joke about a projector making things magically disappear...
The only way a projector could make something sort-of more difficult to see is if projected an area of the same colour. Even then the texture and geometry differences of the real object etc. would make it obvious the thing was still there. In this case you're talking about a light coloured light (the beigy-white of the carpet) making a dark object hard to see? The opposite would be the case. Shine a white light on a black object and see how 'white' the object looks...
dragonfart28
Banned
Still kinda shocked people are so impressed with this. It's a neat feature that should be included in a software update or something, but I don't think it would really grab any mass appeal.
iceatcs
Junior Member
I dunno about this video. It could be post-production for PR purpose. MS does love fake people montage.
I'm just saying it is technical possible to do like this effect with simple equipments.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Well, it's low-res, heavily-artifacted video we're looking at. I'm not saying it would make it disappear, but in essence, it would hide it with very bright light for the moment. Until we get more and better footage, I'll just stay in the not-faked column.
Graphics Horse
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It does if they were tidied up after scanning. I'm not sure if that's what happened as it looks a bit too good, but I think the static shot of the wobble in the trailer is filmed from right next to the projector, which should help.
bigtroyjon
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god damn you got a raging hard on for MS PR.
Psychotext
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iceatcs luuuuuuurves Microsoft.
It's MS Research, that's a bit different than those early Natal concept videos I think.
AdventureRacing
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Haha, just the thought of someone calling him an MS fanboy is hilarious.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Seem it have very similar cinemax with Xbox kinect video market. Fake massive living room with fake family or person. I won't be surprise if MS have own modelling agency.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Don't worry. It is nothing to do with bad or good thing, if you felt offensive.
I'm just said it is quite similar style, I assume they use the same market agent for most of their video portfolio.
I'm just said it is quite similar style, I assume they use the same market agent for most of their video portfolio.
Yeah pretty cool effect. It could have smaller snow, seem bit too large in this video.
Postprocessed obviously, by their fake marketing people.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Ouch it will be embarrassment if the projection effect also fake.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
This doesn't seem nearly as immersive or innovative as the oculus rift, even if it's more expensive. Sometimes the most sensible solutions/evolutions are the best. I don't want bookshelves in my room to have a bunch of uneven and warped video displayed on it. They should sell this thing with a spherical room with nothing in it; that's the only way it could look good.
Alx
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Weren't you mentioning "sensible solutions" just before ?
The main point of the tech displayed in the video is precisely that it doesn't need a spherical screen to look good : the projector "knows" the shape of the shelves and the position of the user's head, and "pre-warps" the image so that once it's projected, the deformation warps it back to how it's supposed to look.
But you are not really suppose to be looking at the walls when you are playing the game. What this effect does is causes you to feel more immersed in the game environment as you keep your attention on to the game itself.
Say for example I'm driving around at night in a racing game. I'm not going to be looking directly at the street lights as they pass me by. However, noticing (and/or feeling) lights passing me by as I race would be very immersive; regardless of how the street lights look on my wall due to picture and/or shelves.
Also, the tech will help things out so that it doesn't look too warped/uneven.
FatalMuzza
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Holy smokes I can totally see this working. The immersion will be significantly enhanced.
It's obvious a next gen gfx boost will not be enough to capture the imagination of the consumers. Many would not even notice. The next Xbox will have this and it will be explosive.
Well done Microsoft. Your move Sony.
It's obvious a next gen gfx boost will not be enough to capture the imagination of the consumers. Many would not even notice. The next Xbox will have this and it will be explosive.
Well done Microsoft. Your move Sony.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
If it's just extra atmosphere without detail then I suppose that's fine, but it's still going to look like a projector projected onto a material that isn't meant for it. I'm still interested in it, don't get me wrong, it just seems a bit odd to me.
AllIsOneIsNone
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Weren't you mentioning "sensible solutions" just before ?
The main point of the tech displayed in the video is precisely that it doesn't need a spherical screen to look good : the projector "knows" the shape of the shelves and the position of the user's head, and "pre-warps" the image so that once it's projected, the deformation warps it back to how it's supposed to look.
Right, a sphere is not sensible , but at least it would look correct (but you're right there about my contradicting myself, haha). A square room is going to look weird, even if the device somehow alters accordingly. If you aren't focusing on it I'm sure it's okay, but I see things like the oculus rift as being much more unified and engrossing. Even if the projector does account for different surface types to some degree, how does it fully account for material/color? Reflective surfaces will look strange, certain colors like red won't work well with projected light, etc. There are just so many variables, I'll have to see this thing in action before I make a decision I suppose.
FatalMuzza
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Totally. Imagine call of duty or whatever shooter is ones flavour, like being in the middle of a war. Haha.
It will be amazing for weather effects. Simulating rain and thunder will be soo cool.
Graphics Horse
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It has at least one eye and projector for what it's doing, it might have the IR projector/camera pair too. It might be that you could place it behind you or by the tv depending on what game you're playing, i dunno.
If you combine it with headtracking you can project things that line up with the viewer's perspective, which is what that Sony video was doing i guess.
Having the projector behind you would mean you'd see a big silhouette of you on your wall/tv.
Probably "behind you" means just like a normal projector. I can see it working with bhind/up or in front of you.
Graphics Horse
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Yes.
It's a real thing actually. However, it works great in a lab environment because it is set up perfectly for it.
Karak
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We tried a couple times but it kept getting drowned out but I fully agree. Even what was shown will be optimized. I would love some kind of room based VR. We are years out but this, Oculus, and stuff no one has even announced yet, will all push us forward.
At first glance it may appear this way. But I have a projector wall. Like 140 inches. And something like this does more than that even. It may not be for everyone but its not the same as a flat screen in front of you.
Penguins&PolarBears
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I think this has much more mainstream potential than VR goggles. Also it's an effect that can be shared with multiple people at once. A tiny inexpensive Pico projector could probably achieve a pretty awesome effect that makes games more immersive. Remember the stuff that is being projected is not supposed to be focused on by your eyes, it is just happening in the peripheral and so even if it is a relatively weak or blurry projection it still enhances the sense of immersion
Kinect plus IllumiRoom bringing us yet another small step closer to the Holodeck.
eso76
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Because the room was scanned/captured before laying the wires, maybe.
I guess as some add-on it would be interesting...
ok, I honestly can't find a good use for this, except if you have a pristine white room, in that case immersion might be awesome, but a room with normal furniture is just going to give you a lot of motion sickness, the room itself was too distracting in the video. Now getting your room into the game allows great possibilities, like playing a game of hide and seek for instance, but this doesn't seem like it wants you to get up from your couch.
ok, I honestly can't find a good use for this, except if you have a pristine white room, in that case immersion might be awesome, but a room with normal furniture is just going to give you a lot of motion sickness, the room itself was too distracting in the video. Now getting your room into the game allows great possibilities, like playing a game of hide and seek for instance, but this doesn't seem like it wants you to get up from your couch.
Penguins&PolarBears
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You don't need to have a pristine white room, you just need a really dark room and a bright bulb to get a good clear effect.
I can already think of a lot of potentially good uses for it:
Planetarium in your room controllable via motion or voice.
IMAX aspect ratio possible for Xbox videos.
Make Dance Central feel like an actual dance club.
Grab menu items off screen with Kinect without having to pause game and go to menu screens.
SmartGlass content on your walls while watching a movie or TV show. Hate looking up and down at tablet when trying to watch a video.
Make a small TV feel like a giant one.
You mean like OLED "wallpaper" that has a module that plugs in at the baseboard and syncs over WiFi? Hmmmm......
CadetMahoney
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The xbox console exclusive super finishes in fighting games will be awesome especially at tournaments.
Refreshment.01
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Speaking in terms of inmersion i think the 3D VR headset is a more useful, (noble? whatever) goal to pursuit at this stage in time. Yes, it has some drawbacks like ergonomics and being limited in really good use for some games. But finally is withing reach.
cyberheater
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I call bullshit on this.
In the gif below you can see the wires under the cabinet actually shift position. There is no trace of them in their 'normal' position when everything distorts. You can't make it look like this without adding video effects. This happens with the cabinets too.
You don't know what your talking about.
Looks well trippy. I've seen stuff like this being done on buildings. It's pretty cool.
M_A_C
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Same thing can be said about SmartGlass. Remember when the press thought that was actually going to be good?