A dangerous thing to say here.Wow, MS bumping specs while Sony takes RAM away from games. It's time to rethink who has the momentum going into next-gen.
A dangerous thing to say here.Wow, MS bumping specs while Sony takes RAM away from games. It's time to rethink who has the momentum going into next-gen.
Wow, MS bumping specs while Sony takes RAM away from games. It's time to rethink who has the momentum going into next-gen.
What features, other than the ones hidden behind a paywall?
Dedicated servers seem like their best one.
Ah here we got another one :/
Every good news is welcome, specially regarding an upgrade hardware wise.
Wow, MS bumping specs while Sony takes RAM away from games. It's time to rethink who has the momentum going into next-gen.
Why to you need to announce a clock speed before announcing an upgrade?
He says, they tweaked from 800 to 853 - that totally fits the definition of an announcement of an upgrade.
I wasn't implying they were being shady
but more that perhaps the PR strategy and what they are allowed to talk about has changed
I think this is more interesting than the actually increase in clock speed
Well it doesn't matter because 1.84 and 1.31 are rounded numbers as well!
Never round off until the end!
With a fully rigorous calculation you get XBO 29 % (28.92) less capable and PS4 is 41 % (40.68) more capable.
They basically said, "Specs don't matter." and suddenly they are talking about upgrading.
If they didn't matter they wouldn't talk about it.
This is good news for everyone but just another example of confused messaging.
This is not an upgrade.
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Wow, MS bumping specs while Sony takes RAM away from games. It's time to rethink who has the momentum going into next-gen.
Funny to see microsoft acting like this. Feels like they rushed things a bit...
Wow, MS bumping specs while Sony takes RAM away from games. It's time to rethink who has the momentum going into next-gen.
lol dat narrative. They never once said that specs don't matter. What they did say was that they didn't target the highest spec target. This announcement does nothing to change that. They have a certain thermal envelope they want to stay under, and they'll keep tweaking things while they can.
lol dat narrative. They never once said that specs don't matter. What they did say was that they didn't target the highest spec target. This announcement does nothing to change that. They have a certain thermal envelope they want to stay under, and they'll keep tweaking things while they can.
Chance they can hit the PS4 GPU level?
adjustments to hardware like this are made quite often, n64, cube, xbox, ps3 and probably others have had tweaks late game. Microsoft probably could push it further if they upgraded the heat sink but we don't even know what the specs of the machine are so any tweak news means little. Hell sony could down clock to reduce noise/heat due to the slim form factor. Don't worry too much about specs until we are closer to launch and things are finalised.
Wow, MS bumping specs while Sony takes RAM away from games. It's time to rethink who has the momentum going into next-gen.
Negative? I'm stating a fact, they never released their spec, so how is this an upgrade?
All this is, is an announcement of their clock speed for the first time. They call it an "upgrade" because that sounds better in PR.
So then the "insider" yield issue was all BS...Man glad I stay in the PC realm. All the comments over this rumor/bad news/good news cycle has just been silly on GAF.
They don't have to.Hence the concern that they are doing this out of desperation in order to try to be more competitive with Sony. Which is good in and of itself, however it would be bad if they are knowing pushing the console beyond its safe thermal limits and compromising the longevity of the box purely for a measly extra 53MHz.
Of course they're the only ones that will be aware of the console's thermal profile. So I imagine they would have done tests on final or near-to-final silicon and together with the humongous box design, they've decided its still operating within the safe thermal envelope.
It does make me wonder though, whether Sony might start looking into an upclock after this news? I'm sure they've looked at it already. On one side they have a simpler and likely smaller APU design, and so should produce less heat. On the other they don't have the might huge box, but then their are however way more adept at designing cooling solutions for consoles (see PS3 fan/heat sink assembly). Will be interesting to see if they respond to this.
0%Chance they can hit the PS4 GPU level?
Wow, MS bumping specs while Sony takes RAM away from games. It's time to rethink who has the momentum going into next-gen.
lol dat narrative. They never once said that specs don't matter. What they did say was that they didn't target the highest spec target. This announcement does nothing to change that. They have a certain thermal envelope they want to stay under, and they'll keep tweaking things while they can.
Why is the yield issue BS?So then the "insider" yield issue was all BS...Man glad I stay in the PC realm. All the comments over this rumor/bad news/good news cycle has just been silly on GAF.
i honestly think every piece of news for xbox should be made by mods now or it gets out of hand.
Exploding with a lot of people trying to throw cold water on the value of it.
Also, so much for all the claims that they were having production issues with their chips. lol
Also, so much for all the claims that they were having production issues with their chips. lol
lol dat narrative. They never once said that specs don't matter. What they did say was that they didn't target the highest spec target. This announcement does nothing to change that. They have a certain thermal envelope they want to stay under, and they'll keep tweaking things while they can.
Xbox head of planning Albert Penello hit out at Sony for proudly displaying its "numbers" but said discussions about which console had the better specifications were "meaningless."
Breakdowns of the hardware within the two consoles has revealed incredibly similar innards, with the PS4 perhaps having a very slight edge in terms of power. This won't matter, according to Penello.
He told Official Xbox Magazine: "The problem is that Sony decided to go out and publish a bunch of numbers, which are in some ways meaningless. Because this isn't like 1990, when it was 16-bit versus 32-bit."
Does this actually constitute an "announcment" of the clock bump? I mean, it reads like it's just something that gets said almost in passing as an example of the process in building a machine like this, so I can't really give MS crap for saying it the way they did (granted, I haven't listened to the actual podcast).
Clock changes are fairly normal during development and there's no timeline given for when this actually happened. The actual bump itself is so small that for GI to be trying to make a huge deal out of it seems weird. It's certainly not the kind of bump that makes up for the architectural differences between the two console's GPUs.
You said their prior strategy was to dodge talking numbers, which wasn't even true. They did talk numbers to a degree, but they just never got into specifics about the GPU.
As I just pointed out, it's quite likely they never got specific about the GPU because they knew the clock speed might still change.