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This just reminded me of ninja gaiden and the old doa games. Thank god the final xbox design wasn't that tacky.snoopeasystreet said:
This just reminded me of ninja gaiden and the old doa games. Thank god the final xbox design wasn't that tacky.snoopeasystreet said:
jagowar said:
- 4 gb shared ram (the shared ram thing turned out to be one of the biggest advantages for the 360). Memory is cheap now so I can see them adding a ton of it for the next system.
- I think you will see cheaper 3.5 hard drives built in with the next system. 120 gb on the low end and 1.0 tb on the high end.
- No disc drive at all in the next xbox (this allows them to include larger 3.5 inch internal drives). I see games coming on 16 gig flash drives (similar to how the ngp will work)
- Graphics and CPU on the same chip (top of the line at the time it gets released)
- Same kinect design but is capable of tracking at 720p (and the video camera supports 720p video chat)... will also be bundled in with all systems.
Jonm1010 said:Im saying that I think this notion that everyone will gimp their system like nintendo did with the wii probably isn't accurate...... If one of the two puts out a console that is the next gen graphics equivalent of the wii vs the ps3 - and doesn't have any groundbreaking gameplay changes like the wii - what's to stop the other person from throwing in a top of the line graphics card, taking a loss and blasting viral ad campaigns 24/7 about how shitty the other system is for the same price?
I think microsofts and Sonys fear of the other one upping them and them needing to have a significant enough uograde to get people to jump on board with a new system will inevitably lead to them not going the wii route.
R4 for Xbox wouldn't help matters either.Stephen Colbert said:I like your idea of using 16 gig flash drives. Load times are starting to annoying. This would stop those.
A built in ssd could go great with this. A 16gb NAND chip costs about $10 when bought in bulk. Seems viable.
More importantly for MS, using flash drives will in all likelihood stop piracy dead in it's tracks. Can't exactly burn things to a dvd to play on a modded console if the console doesn't even have a dvd drive in the first place.
szaromir said:R4 for Xbox wouldn't help matters either.
Stephen Colbert said:I like your idea of using 16 gig flash drives. Load times are starting to annoying. This would stop those.
A built in ssd could go great with this. A 16gb NAND chip costs about $10 when bought in bulk. Seems viable.
More importantly for MS, using flash drives will in all likelihood stop piracy dead in it's tracks. Can't exactly burn things to a dvd to play on a modded console if the console doesn't even have a dvd drive in the first place.
I'm wondering if project denver from Nvidia (the Maxwell) could be used as a GPU and CPU on the same chip. It already has several ARM cpu cores integrated into it. So reason they can't function as the sole CPU (or one supplemented with a Cell) as well.
The Maxwell and TSMC 20nm speculation is not something Sony and Microsoft can base their next-gen plans on. Nvidia has known to be creative with graphs, it'll probably be a good chip but delayed(like always) and it was reported/rumored in 2009 that AMD had already won the GPU contract for the next Xbox. Again the ball will start rolling soon.Jonm1010 said:Why not? Especially if they release in 2014 or even late 2013? I'm not being combative but genuinely asking.
By 2013 Nvidia already plans on having their "Maxwell" card out that is poised to be an exponential leap over previous cards. I would find it very odd to hear microsoft or Sony come out and say we are going to put 4 year+ old tech in a system when this new generation of cards will already dwarf our output right out the gate.
My point has always been that if Sony or Microsoft blinks and does the above- putting way old tech in their new system to cut costs - the other can come in and take an initial loss and throw in the more current card and sell at the same price on the same launch date and crush the other one.
itsgreen said:This is $10 for memory chips or $.35 for a disc.
Won't happen.
Jonm1010 said:By 2013 Nvidia already plans on having their "Maxwell" card out that is poised to be an exponential leap over previous cards. I would find it very odd to hear microsoft or Sony come out and say we are going to put 4 year+ old tech in a system when this new generation of cards will already dwarf our output right out the gate.
My point has always been that if Sony or Microsoft blinks and does the above- putting way old tech in their new system to cut costs - the other can come in and take an initial loss and throw in the more current card and sell at the same price on the same launch date and crush the other one.
Timing, power, comfortable pricing(doesn't necessarily mean cheapest), marketing, games and features are all variables in the equation. It wasn't lack of power that got playstation and PS2 to the top it was coming out on the winning end on the majority of that and losing to 360 and wii in many of those departments this gen.StevieP said:Cr...crush them? Because graphics were the deciding factor this gen. Clearly.
As far as your second concurrent post is concerned, btw... you realize that until this gen Sony had the weakest systems during the other eras they were a part of, don't you? (and they won them both) Perhaps you should let that sink in.
StevieP said:Cr...crush them? Because graphics were the deciding factor this gen. Clearly.
Stephen Colbert said:I don't think that will stop Nintendo. They never hesistate to use carthrages to reduce load times if it's viable, even if they have to charge more for their games. The N64 was proof of this.
It wasn't viable when the Wii came out, but the price of 16gbs of nand memory has dropped so dramatically already, and will continue to drop further by 2013, that it's a viable medium again.
bdizzle said:And millions more agree with me. There's more people not paying for XBL than there are paying for it.
bdizzle said:And millions more agree with me. There's more people not paying for XBL than there are paying for it. Everything that MS offers has been on PCs for yearsssssssssssssssssssss at a total cost of $0. Pretty much everything MS does is on the PSN for free. People pay 60/yr for XBL to get p2p match making. Neither of these services are worth the money IMO.
OldJadedGamer said:People pay $40 a year to be connected to their friends seamlessly while playing online games. The one thing PC's hasn't had for yearssssssssssssssssssss are people I know in real life playing games on it. If I gamed alone, it wouldn't be a big deal at all but if your friends are drinking at a bar with a cover.... paying the cover is better than drinking alone at the free bar.
We started thinking about the next generation before we shipped the Xbox 360. It doesn't start with a date. It starts way upstream with silicon development. From that comes a series of data points. You start making early technology choices. It's an evolving thing. Stuff doesn't become concrete until you get inside a window of when you have to ship, more than 18 months or so out." Source
Microsoft EMEA veep Chris Lewis says the company is already working on its next next-generation console because "we have to".
Preliminary work is already under way, he told UK games site Kikizo.
"You can't sit back on your laurels in this business - the consumer won't let you, the developers certainly won't let us. So that's happening right now," he said.
The research and development practices of the console division are "no different than any other part of Microsoft" though, he insisted.
The news that Microsoft is already working on an Xbox 360 successor won't come as much surprise, mind - having been last to market with its first Xbox, the company was first to market in the next generation.
Source plus ATI/AMD win GPU contract for next Xbox
FLEABttn said:Doesn't work. You don't buy the bar and then pay a cover charge at the door. Getting your friends to go to the free bar isn't hard when it's down the block or whatever.
Sourly you dont need to pay cover charge at the door at your own bar. But lets look at it this way; you pay for the cover charge and for the drinks, I know madness right, but thats how it works if you want to have a fun Friday/Saturday night.FLEABttn said:Doesn't work. You don't buy the bar and then pay a cover charge at the door. Getting your friends to go to the free bar isn't hard when it's down the block or whatever.
FLEABttn said:Doesn't work. You don't buy the bar and then pay a cover charge at the door. Getting your friends to go to the free bar isn't hard when it's down the block or whatever.
M°°nblade said:Native 1080p may be the norm but I expect a lot of games to run at sub full HD resolution, anywhere between 720p and 1080p. Not that much different from the current situation where we have games like Alan Wake running in 547p while some XBLA or PSN games run in 1080p.
I love this idea only due to my inherent log-term desire to see Microsoft fail in any way possible, even though their gaming end is the only end of them I don't totally dislike.Stephen Colbert said:I like your idea of using 16 gig flash drives. Load times are starting to annoying. This would stop those.
A built in ssd could go great with this. A 16gb NAND chip costs about $10 when bought in bulk. Seems viable.
More importantly for MS, using flash drives will in all likelihood stop piracy dead in it's tracks. Can't exactly burn things to a dvd to play on a modded console if the console doesn't even have a dvd drive in the first place.
Sir,Stephen Colbert said:Everything you've ever said.
OldJadedGamer said:Again, people are going to play online where their friends are. If that is PSN, PC, or 360. The 360 is just way easier for a group of people who know each other to get into games together. It's not rocket science and easy to see why people continue to pay... even gamers who own every system.
Stephen Colbert said:I think it's very likely that MS will go with AMD again and Sony will go with Nvidia, the Nvidia Maxwell in particular.
For one, I think that will make backwards compatiblity easier to pull off if both companies stick with the same gpu maker as the previous generation. Also, MS had a bad experience with Nvidia with the original Xbox and they had a bit of a falling out.
And most importantly, the contracts MS and Sony secure with AMD/Nvidia probably ensure that there is no conflict of interest, and that the companies resources aren't split between designing gpus for multiple consoles. Something like a noncompete clause, that says okay, we'll use you guys for our next console, but you can't turn around and design our competitors console gpu as well.
Solid warrior said:i'd love to see the next xbox come with kinect sensor integrated.
Bufbaf said:It will be so funny when MS and Sony bring out their fancy Kinect2 and Move2 out-of-the-box consoles right after the moment Nintendo announces their totally different new console ideas. Mark my words!
OldJadedGamer said:The 360 launched at $299. Remember, at the time of launch no other system besides the original Xbox shipped with a HDD and people were still used to buying memory cards like the PS2. At launch there was no need at the time to REQUIRE an HDD. I have a few friends that bought core units at launch.
G Rom said:-Tweak the almost perfect Xbox 360 Controller (D-Pad...)
Bufbaf said:It will be so funny when MS and Sony bring out their fancy Kinect2 and Move2 out-of-the-box consoles right after the moment Nintendo announces their totally different new console ideas. Mark my words!
les papillons sexuels said:sony wont go with nvidia imo, I'm pretty certian that nvidia pulled the same crap they did with MS on the first gen xbox hardware. (ie kept the gpu prices inflated).
there's a ton of other chip developers in the sea.
FLEABttn said:It's not rocket science. It's just stupid.
Watchtower said:I also wonder why some are saying the next Xbox will have a current or older gen GPU that won't be up to par with whatever GPU's top of the line in the PC world. That wasn't the case with either Xbox. While it didn't take long for PC graphics cards to surpass them when both of those consoles launched
Unless Microsoft has a change in philosophy, then I would expect whatever Nvidia or ATI's hottest GPU is at the time, that's what they will go with. It will most likely either be based on something that just comes out at the time, or it will be a transition, console optimized chip of a PC GPU that's yet to be completed and released. Just like the 360's GPU which I think reigned as the best GPU for a couple of months before ATI completed and released its more advanced PC sister cards.
Stephen Colbert said:Stop equating weak graphics with success. The Wii's success is 70% due to a gimmick that casuals ended up being enamored with, and 30% due to 2D Mario and Mario Kart and the metric ton of appeal these iconic franchises have to gamers and nongamers alike.
Even then, third parties don't exactly consider the Wii a success. Most every game they make for it is dead on arrival sales wise.
The Wii didn't succeed because it had weak graphics, it succeeded in spite of them, and did so entirely because of a gimmick that had never been done before, that none of it's competitors were offering, and that consumers luckily embraced with open arms.
That's not something easy to replicate. The only gimmick I see on the horizon that could command the same type of attention from casuals again is Virtual Reality.
In terms of multiplatform sales and recruitment, yes, yes it was.
Other than Nintendo staple titles, consumers had no interest in buying third party games on the Wii that look a generation behind games on the 360/PS3 games. Multiplatform sales were pathetic, and the weak graphics was a huge part of the reason why.
Nintendo was able to sustain the Wii on the back of their own games, because 2D Mario and Mario Kart have such immense mass appeal, but I don't think MS or Sony could have pulled it off.
Dabanton said:No it's just the way it is.
This is why I don't own a cell phone. People pay monthly for that shit? For what, convenience? You all brought this on yourselves.FLEABttn said:It's not "the way it is". It was created by you. Two or three months of self-control from the Xbox 1 community would have killed off p2p gaming but most people are stupid.
And instead of trying to fix the problem, people are all too willing to pay the $50 yearly and talk about how awesome it is or talk about how nothing can be done, when they're the reason it was continued to begin with.
Rainier said:This is why I don't own a cell phone. People pay monthly for that shit? For what, convenience? You all brought this on yourselves.
Mikasangelos said:Gimme a system that will run 1080p games @60FPS smoothly and consistently and i'll be happy. *doubtful*
I would have been, but then again, I think that polygons were a mistake.Arpharmd B said:It'll be able to run current gen games at 1080p 60fps.
Let me ask you a question: Would you have been happy if the 360 and PS3 simply ran last gen PS2 and Xbox games in 720p, 60FPS? I don't think anyone would have been happy or satisfied with that.
BboyDubC said:I have information that a next gen console will be debuting next fall. My company just got commissioned for making a next gen cpu for one of the console makers, and they need us to push it so they can make launch of next fall. Not going to disclose any more than that.
BboyDubC said:I have information that a next gen console will be debuting next fall. My company just got commissioned for making a next gen cpu for one of the console makers, and they need us to push it so they can make launch of next fall. Not going to disclose any more than that.
Galvanise_ said:That has to be Nintendo.