LiquidMetal14
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This may surprise you but Sony is also a media and entertainment brand.
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Microsoft sells Mediaroom, Xbox to be their TV strategy going forward
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This may surprise you but Sony is also a media and entertainment brand.
Wickerbasket
Member
Just want to point out that you can still play games on Roku when the internet's down, you can also stream content from your PC. Infact, most modern entertainment devices can be used offline even if they lose some of their feature set. It's not really the same situation as a online only xbox, where you wouldn't be able to access anything offline.
You'd obviously expect to lose access to streaming services when the internet goes down, that goes without saying. Services that aren't dependant on an internet connection shouldn't be disabled if I lose an internet connection though. That's just being inconvenient.
Extra Sauce
Member
How is that an explanation? I asked you why the console acting as a TV hub is bad for gaming, you still haven't provided a valid answer.
The always-online I understand, that's a legitimate complaint.
Dude I've been trying to say this for a long time, no one listens.
I'm referring to both the PS4 and X720(either they are both going to work offline or one of them at least.), do you honestly play the games on your Roku when your internet goes down?
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Only with an online connection.
*Checks internet, sees it's working* Alrighty then.
That really isn't confirmed though.
That's because it's the only brand they haven't shit the bed with in over a decade. Every brand they've tried to introduce since 2000 has been a failure except for Xbox.
Now that the eye of Sauron is trained on it, they'll find a way to destroy the brand.
Wow you're really stretching there, focusing on just the latest announcement instead of the company's overall focus in the past few years.
Yes, even though they released their most expensive core game in terms of budget during the previous year, gamers aren't their focus at all.
If you are not interested in what they give then that's fine but statements like that are just not true at all.
Sony and MS are going for the exact same areas. The differences will be in services and the way that both advertise.
When a good portion of the major games for both of the consoles will be the same, I honestly don't get how one could say that one will be much more gaming oriented than the other.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
What makes it good to you? I'm not drawing it in crayon for you. It dilutes the purpose of the console and puts their own corporate agenda and shoveling it in our faces just like the crappy Kinect.
You're asking me the same question you should be asking yourself if you ideally believe the approach that MSFT will be taking is somehow good for the gaming industry.
I say once more, it will hurt gaming in the long run and that's why we need players like Sony and Nintendo in the fray since MSFT wants control of the living room and they will push for it with their resources. I'm not too pleased by their last few years in the console space and neither should you but I don't speak but on my behalf.
Of course they have to, it is in their interests to get people on-board early and make xbox the primary ( choice of multiplatform games ) console for consumers. Whatever profitable ventures they would pull will come in the mid cycle when everyone and their friends are entrenched on the system. Whether it's raising the price of Live by $10 or putting more Ads on your dashboard.
This is not say Sony won't follow the same strategy next generation.
Sidewinder
Member
MS please just announce your Xbox Infinity event already, it's getting stupid now. Thanks!
Wickerbasket
Member
No, the games are on it are shit.
I'm just saying that most modern electronic devices don't become useless if you lose internet connection, you can still access your downloaded content and games. They're obviously a lot more useful with internet, but the device doesn't purposely restrict you from stuff that doesn't need internet to work in the first place.
Extra Sauce
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It is my understanding that Nintendo and Sony are also implementing non-gaming content into their environment more and more. Why is Microsoft being singled out for it, other than the admittedly shady always-online thing?
And? Apparently that can't ever mix into the GAME console business. Unless we're going to bring common sense into the thread, which would be a nice change of pace.
Honestly, people act like no other console has ever tried to expand its userbase as it ages or no other console manufacturer has ever pushed entertainment capabilities of their machine. Sony's major Christmas title last year was Wonderbook, for crying out loud.
Can we all try to tone down the ridiculous rhetoric over a console that hasn't even been announced yet?
I don't see the problem here. It's an PR blurb about it's TV division it doesn't say anywhere that MS is not making games in fact it understands that people's needs for entertainment across interconnected devices has grown.
It's reads pretty straightforward. Are people this crazy or has it reached a point where this strange line of thinking automatically pollutes these threads? If people seriously think that MS is "giving up" on games then that's wishful thinking from a certain type of gamer.
Sony will be doing the same thing making sure it's media content from itself and partners is prepped and built into the PS4 eco system so it's users don't want to go anywhere else for any of their media or game needs. Will it be their main focus? I suspect not. Neither will it be MS's but it will form a major part of both their strategies for next gen. The company that cracks it will be laughing.
It's reads pretty straightforward. Are people this crazy or has it reached a point where this strange line of thinking automatically pollutes these threads? If people seriously think that MS is "giving up" on games then that's wishful thinking from a certain type of gamer.
Sony will be doing the same thing making sure it's media content from itself and partners is prepped and built into the PS4 eco system so it's users don't want to go anywhere else for any of their media or game needs. Will it be their main focus? I suspect not. Neither will it be MS's but it will form a major part of both their strategies for next gen. The company that cracks it will be laughing.
Better?
I perceive MediaRoom as the hottest tv tech going
If anything, its likely going to get worse - I assume Microsoft was running into roadblocks anyways.... Media companies probably holding back (which would hurt technology adoption)
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I still do not
want
Palette Swap
Member
I have a Panasonic GT50 and even if it's far from fantastic, it's way ahead of anything French XBL has to offer, while the STB my ISP offers buries both.
That was my point: I get the feeling that outside America (and UK to an extent), XBL services have been very bare and barring a complete shift, I don't see them succeeding on markets where they're suffering from an ailing mindshare in the first place.
Then again, all the rumors seem to lead to MS being willing to take a hit on the size of their user base to increase their ARPU (at least) proportionately.
And Sony doesn't want control of the living room?
Heh, I can't wait to see all of the statements in 2016+ about Sony "losing their way" when people see that they are going neck and neck with MS for the same goals.
People thinking that the PS4 will be primarily a gaming console throughout the whole next gen and nothing more are setting themselves up for disappointment.
To be honest, the only console that will be the closest to just "a pure gaming console" next gen is more than likely the Wii U but no one wants to pay for a $300+ underpowered console right?
If you have shared content on your network(good for you because most people don't) and you enjoy Roku games than maybe it doesn't become useless....
However for the most part it doesn't in fact become useless...
It's like saying a car without gas doesn't become useless because you can still listen to the radio.
This has less to do with Microsoft and more to do with restrictions from content providers and the regions themselves. I wish this would go away but it's just not going to happen anytime soon.
Nothing like having 20 or so 1st party studios and not wanting to sell their software.
You and most of the people outside of GAF will think this way.
Wickerbasket
Member
I think it has more to do with all the bad rumours surrounding MS lately. Everyone's expecting the worst.
It'll seem like a long time till the end of May, that's for sure.
Well, using your analogy, it would be like if the car ran out of gas and I had a can of gasoline sitting in my trunk as spare then continued on driving as if nothing had happened.
Doug Heffernan
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Just let me pick what specific channels I want to subscribe to a la carte and I'm in.
The cable service monopoly has gone on for too long... we shouldn't have to pay for channels we don't want.
The cable service monopoly has gone on for too long... we shouldn't have to pay for channels we don't want.
digoutyoursoul
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Because that reveal is just gonna be games, games, and games right?
Why are people even freaking out? Xbox 360 has 3 distinct ways of accessing TV content (windows media center, mediaroom and apps) as it is and was already essentially the center of their strategy
Dropping MediaRoom means there isn't going to be tuners or STBs like people originally thought as its their IPTV platform
Dropping MediaRoom means there isn't going to be tuners or STBs like people originally thought as its their IPTV platform
Delusibeta
Banned
Because you're going to have to pay $60/year to get these entertainment things, plus virtually all of them will not be available outside of the US, UK and Canada.
My analogy works fine, if I have no internet at the moment my Roku is pretty useless to me. If my car has no fuel at the moment it is equally useless no matter if it can still provide limited uses without gas.
I hate to say it but the PS4 reveal wasn't just games, games and games either. They are going to talk about hardware, console features, media partners and games just like the PS4 did.
LiquidMetal14
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We are discussing things we are hearing and reading so far. It's all we have to go on. That does not change the fact that it sounds terrible so far. We just have to be adults about this and not try to get too emotional about things.
Games speak to me more really. Of course you and I know that Sony wants their box in every living room. The main difference is their message with PS4 and their message the last few years compared to MSFT. That alone is worrying (regarding Xbox).
It's like Derrick said already. MSFT has been going down this path slowly for the last few years so why would that sort of direction be attractive to us? If they simply would say something more positive instead of always online and pushing their own agenda on top of their Xbox device then I think you would be hearing a little more praise.
Right now, it looks bad for them.
Monocle
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This might be OK depending on how well Microsoft streamlines game access and content browsing. If I have to blunder through another horribly clunky Metro-style interface just to download a demo or look at Live Arcade games, I won't be happy. If alternative media like TV or whatever else Microsoft is pushing gets forced on me when all I want to do is play a game, count me out.
I don't want to be treated like a roly poly moo-moo money cow. Leave it up to me to decide if I want to look at all the superfluous stuff.
I don't want to be treated like a roly poly moo-moo money cow. Leave it up to me to decide if I want to look at all the superfluous stuff.
travisbickle
Member
You're talking about the gesture control crap that's on Samsung smart TVs? Yeah, it's crap.
Outside of first party, it will have every single game the ps4 does
flyinpiranha
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I'm single them out because they are the unknown and this is all speculation based on previous rumors. I've always known the Xbox was their shoe-in to the living room, they've never been secretive about this but their extreme LACK of gaming focus the past couple years is really worrisome for a person like me who still really enjoyed their gaming output.
Nintendo and Sony still seem to have a focus on games while adding additional media content as supplementary. MS seems to be the opposite. Touting Kinect interface options and new media services over the gaming side of things.
It's like an inevitable 'break-up' I saw coming.
Nintendo may have some options, but it's not covered and inundated with tiles and such, same with PSN and the new PS4 interface (for what we've seen).
There's a difference between offering options and what MS is doing and has been the past year or so with the XBL interface.
I've just finally (very recently) come to the point of where XBL isn't exactly what I want from my games' interface and my gaming options. And I'm over paying for XBL. It was worth it on the OG Xbox and for a majority of this generation, but I do not find value in it anymore. I'm not sure what they can add in the next iteration.
Again, this is all speculation since the damned box hasn't even been announced yet but all the rumors and speculation have been extremely negative for what I want out of a next gen games machine.
Wickerbasket
Member
I fixed your analogy for you, if I have fuel in a can (media on my PC), then I can continue driving (streaming movies).
Anyway, you said it was useless and I've proven it has a use so there goes your arguement. It doesn't even have to be Roku, pretty much all electronic devices that have online have offline uses. If they support purely online streaming, then they're usually a lot cheaper to accommodate.
It doesn't help that MS has been very quiet on the matter, so people have kind of been connecting their own dots.
Sony tries to satisfy all areas, many times to the detriment of their financial status. You can't say "PS4 will drop the gaming focus several years in" because it's never happened on a Sony console before. They have 3 consoles of trying to keep gamers and casuals happy (to varying degrees of success, but that's not the topic here). However you can say that with MS because with their first console they pulled the plug on it early, leaving everyone behind, and now with 360 they dropped gamers like a bad habit as soon as they caught a whiff of that casual money.
LiquidMetal14
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That's true. It's their message and other policies which are the obvious disdain. No one is saying they won't have their own IP's and multiplatform games.
Palette Swap
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Sure but at the end of the day, the why doesn't really matter if it means your product will be unattractive in a number of territories.
Ol No Bones
Banned
The next Xbox is going to have more features. Damn that's awful.
I could say the same about the PS3's first few years. It was a barren landscape of shit ports and mediocre exclusives with a god-awful online system to play them on. Ironically, Sony sold a bunch of PS3s solely because it was a good media player. But I'm sure when the PS4 launches and they focus solely on gaming - no way will they show off media functions at E3 where you can control playback with gestures/voice using the PS4 camera (copying MS would be crazy right!?) - and all of the "aspirational" features are there day one, it'll be wonderful.
They do what they think will make them money. They're just not very good at it, as evidenced by their financial reports of recent years.Derrick01 said:
Alx
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Well, yes, and games are part of that content, and that's where Durango comes in. I still don't see the problem here, you can't blame MS (nor Sony) for trying to sell different kinds of media content, because that's what people are expecting from such device. And you can't accuse them of ignoring the games market, when they designed expensive consoles specifically for that purpose.
I'm talking about the graphical UI in general, I have a brand new Samsung Smart TV in the other room and the UI is just terrible on it.
Who said they are buying the Nextbox solely because it also streams media. At the beginning of this gen, people spent even more to get a PS3 on the strength of its Blu-Ray.
MS is simply building on the success they have had all gen. They aren't the first or the last console to take the 'It does everything' approach when trying to promote their hardware.
The $499 dollar console isn't confirmed, but if it is and MS makes a great case at E3, then we will see who actually buys what when the consoles go on sale.