Older Star Fox games? Yeah, I can. But, I also haven't played this new game. Who is to say what control scheme is better for THIS GAME except for those who have actually played it? This really isn't a difficult concept here...
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Motion controls can't be entirely disabled in Star Fox Zero.
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Older Star Fox games? Yeah, I can. But, I also haven't played this new game. Who is to say what control scheme is better for THIS GAME except for those who have actually played it? This really isn't a difficult concept here...
entremet
Member
Doesn't this game require the gamepad due to the dual screen aspect?
dancrane212
Member
So no hope of pro controller support then or a traditional cursor based on the position of your Arwing. Think this is the third disappointing thing I've read from Nintendo in the last couple of hours.
I'll keep my preorder for the game (don't want to loose the E3 discount) but it's not coming out of the shrinkwrap until I read impressions from folk. Can always return it if things are the worst case scenario.
I'll keep my preorder for the game (don't want to loose the E3 discount) but it's not coming out of the shrinkwrap until I read impressions from folk. Can always return it if things are the worst case scenario.
I have no problem with gyro controls, it's if the game requires you to constantly look between two screens that could prove disastrous.
So long as your attention can be focused on the main screen then gyro controls to aim and stick to move could work very well with a bit of practice.
So long as your attention can be focused on the main screen then gyro controls to aim and stick to move could work very well with a bit of practice.
As someone who used the gyro aiming in Splatoon I don't think its a cool idea for games to not give me the option if I wanted to not use it. Less options aren't beneficial... the gyro would work just as well if there was the option to turn it off.
Oh sheeeet it's Lair for PS3 all over again.
I was able to play with the sixaxis..but alot of people were put off by it being motion only. One of the reasons of its downfall.
Eventually it was patched in...but by then it was too late.
Great looking game though, with an Amazing soundtrack.
I was able to play with the sixaxis..but alot of people were put off by it being motion only. One of the reasons of its downfall.
Eventually it was patched in...but by then it was too late.
Great looking game though, with an Amazing soundtrack.
Glass Rebel
Member
Sin & Punishment 2 had the option to play the entire game using a classic controller even though it was clearly meant to be played with the pointer. Not only is the pointer more precise than gyro aiming, I'm 100% sure that Star Fox 0 will be significantly easier so I find their reasoning to be laughable at best. I was going to use gyro aiming anyway since Splatoon made me a believer but that's no reason to not have the option.
wild wild rice
Member
Cool, was gonna play the game the way it was meant to be played anyway. Gamers remind me of finnicky eaters sometimes. Shut the fuck up and try something different.
Never said there was a definitive control scheme, only that Nintendo is obviously capable of providing multiple control methods. If you want another example Pikmin 3 offers three control types.
And the reception from E3 and past events from press has been mixed on the gyro control so its not like theyre a huge success.
Are you one of those people who get mad when someone customizes their controls in Smash or use something other than a Gamecube controller?
You can shoot things outside the TV screen area with the gamepad according to GameXplain. That's part of the gyro function and I bet some stages might incorporate something like that.
Glass Rebel
Member
I don't see how you couldn't replicate that with the second analog tbh.
Bigger issue is probably the 3-dimensional movement while a twinstick is stuck in a 2D plain.
Glass Rebel
Member
Eh, maybe. But as I said, it won't be an issue for me personally, I just don't find their explanation convincing. We'll see come game release.
Enter the Dragon Punch
Banned
Hm, yes, a great way to foster quality conversation is to tell people who think differently from you to shut the fuck up. Great post, Ethan. Keep it up.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
I hate motion controls so this is a major bummer for me.
potatohead
Member
I was gonna say I got that but you wrote housed so now I'm puzzled ^^
Theognosis
Member
Good. Learn to play games in different ways, people.
Enter the Dragon Punch
Banned
What's the difference between complaining about something you haven't tried and championing something you haven't tried?
Both groups have seen the same footage. It seems a little short sighted to lay into people doubtful about it then have unwaivering faith in it.
CrashPrime
Member
Yet another reason I question why I bought the Wii U Pro controller. No fucking thanks.
The gamepad is cumbersome for a controller. Don't care how tight the motion is, it means I need to hang onto an ipad.
The gamepad is cumbersome for a controller. Don't care how tight the motion is, it means I need to hang onto an ipad.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
I've tried motion controls on multiple occasions and they just never clicked with me. No amount of Nintendo fans telling me how wrong I am or telling me to shut the fuck up will change that.
Spring-Loaded
Member
Sorry, didn't mean to post that in the Splatoon |OT|. I thought this was the Star Fox thread.
wait
Everyone but mobile users who have adapted to gyro and motion controls cause it's in every phone and tablet device and many users complaining when gyro isn't in the game like a racing game and whatever.
Spring-Loaded
Member
You don't like motion controls? What? No. You like motion controls. Shut the fuck up. That slow-ass gameplay and negative impressions from people who've played the game? It was all your imagination, because you like motion controls.
This game made by different people has motion controls, and it's good there. That means it's good in this game from a different genre.
This game made by different people has motion controls, and it's good there. That means it's good in this game from a different genre.
Enter the Dragon Punch
Banned
One person moves the Arwing, and the other uses motion controls to shoot
Co-op, one person is the Arwing controlling the flight using the pro controller. Second player is on the gamepad shooting using gyro and paying attention to the second screen and stuff.
Emperor_EL
Member
Hopefully they put out a demo.
mrmickfran
Member
Given Platinum's record, we always get demos for their games.
Poimandres
Member
Kid Icarus received mostly positive reviews and ended up with an 83 Meta Critic. It was hardly "thrashed".
I'm calling it now that this game will end up substantially below that Meta Critic average, and the controls will have a lot to do with it. Nothing wrong with trying a different control scheme, but sometimes it doesn't pan out so well. In fairness I think they would include a non-motion option if it was viable.
SinCityAssassin
Member
So would that mean we can somewhat mitigate full gyro with stick control like in Splatoon or what.
Is it time to fully abandon hope for a Wii remote + nunchuk scheme? I haven't read an outright confirmation that they're not included, but someone would have mentioned it by now if they were. What a waste of a great fucking opportunity. IR aiming would have done the series a lot more justice than... what we're getting.
MegaManTrigger
Banned
The more I play it, the more I realize that Uprising's control scheme isn't as complex as people say it is. L > Fire, Circle Pad > Movement, Stylus > Camera Control. It's as simple as it gets.
Glitchesarecool
Member
Nintendo demonstrated that they can make Gyro controls work really well with Splatoon. Should be interesting to see how the game plays.
The problem with impressions ahead of time is that maybe those people didn't like gyro controls. It's hard to tell if there was a predisposed dislike of the scheme or if there is a genuine problem. I know when I got my hands on Splatoon for the first time, I turned it off because I was so against it. But then I started playing around a bit more because I liked the responsiveness of aiming with that system versus twin stick shooting.
The problem with impressions ahead of time is that maybe those people didn't like gyro controls. It's hard to tell if there was a predisposed dislike of the scheme or if there is a genuine problem. I know when I got my hands on Splatoon for the first time, I turned it off because I was so against it. But then I started playing around a bit more because I liked the responsiveness of aiming with that system versus twin stick shooting.
SuperBlank
Member
Asking for a new SF and getting a glorified SF64 with mandatory motion controls is like taking a bite of a chocolate chip cookie and finding out it's actually an oatmeal raisin cookie.
It's still a cookie so you might as well eat it, but it's not going to be very satisfying and when the baker sees you don't really like it they're probably not even going to bother making you another.
And that's my metaphor.
It's still a cookie so you might as well eat it, but it's not going to be very satisfying and when the baker sees you don't really like it they're probably not even going to bother making you another.
And that's my metaphor.
Based Calla
Member
If the gyro controls work similar to aiming in Wind Waker HD, I think that's fine.
The issue is not with the motion controls. The issue is not even with two different sets of controls for direction and shooting. Splatoon showed that this can be done in a competent way. The issue is with the need to look at one screen for direction and use one set of controls and look at other screen for shooting and use the motion controls. And looking at the screen for targeting with the motion controls is essential. So you're practically driving a car forward while looking through the rear windows. Or you don't shoot, as several previewers did.
Yes, everything can be learned, but it doesn't make it better or fun.
Yes, everything can be learned, but it doesn't make it better or fun.
shadowsdarknes
Member
Eww that's terrible. No thanks for me.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I wasn't a fan of it in Splatoon so this displeases me.
It was unplayable for me with gyro on. There needs to be an option.
LastOne2100
Member
I dislike every instance of motion control I've ever experienced, so this is disappointing. I mean I'm sure it can be serviceable, but I really don't understand the need to shoehorn all this stuff into every single game when the fanbase doesn't want it. Optional? Great. Those who like the motion controls will be happy, but those who don't aren't punished.
But even despite the motion controls, the bigger concern is really the dual screen and requiring that you look at the gamepad to aim and look up to pilot...doesn't seem like it will be a great experience, especially in a series that always had very tight and precise controls.
But even despite the motion controls, the bigger concern is really the dual screen and requiring that you look at the gamepad to aim and look up to pilot...doesn't seem like it will be a great experience, especially in a series that always had very tight and precise controls.
Storm Chamber
Banned
Well, not every Platinum game is worth buying.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Fuck this game.
Stilton Disco
Member
Well I wasn't particularly bothered by the look of the game anyway, but forced motion controls can fuck right off.