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[LordOfChaos]

MSI CLAW gaming handheld leaked, features Intel Core Ultra 7 155H with Arc graphics and 32GB memory - VideoCardz.com

MSI handheld leaked MSI to compete with ASUS and Lenovo with a brand-new handheld. MSI CLAW, Source: @wnxod Less than 24 hours since MSI’s first teaser on social media and we now have a picture, name, and full specs of the upcoming device. This gaming handheld is called CLAW, and it will be...

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Less than 24 hours after Intel reacted to this with

Could be pretty solid, I think the Arc IGPs are around 4.5Tflops, even if you have to downclock that a fair bit for a handheld you'd comfortably be making something above the Steam Deck's 1.6, and yeah we all know Tflops aren't comparable but speaking in ballparks here and the Steam Deck GPU was before the change in AMD flops (effectively doubling them for not nearly as much performance gain later)


Edit:
There's 15W, 30W, and an extreme 45W mode. About on par with the ROG Ally performance at 30W

 

[Warnen]

 

[Brigandier]

 

[Sleepwalker]

Display and battery are the most important factors on a handheld, so I'll wait for more details.

 

[rofif]

another one ?!
I can't see any of this stuff getting better than deck oled and just switch

 

[Killer8]

Based on the name I was expecting it to be some one handed controller like this:

A controller designed for gooners.

 

[Schnauzer]

No OLED, Don't Care.

 

[ReBurn]

How much RGB please this is important

 

[NeverYouMind]

Based on the name I was expecting it to be some one handed controller like this:

A controller designed for gooners.

Reminds me of CollecoVision for some reason...

P.S. I have always been interested in a one-handed joystick with face buttons on the tip like a flightstick.

 

[GHG]

Drivers for this thing are going to be a disaster. Calling it now.

 

[DaGwaphics]

At a glance you are like 16 cores/22 threads (6 p cores + 10 e cores?) seems like a lot for a handheld device. If they can get a big enough battery in there, it might not be a bad option.

It will be interesting to see if intel will give the handheld makers sweetheart deals and to try and break into this market.

 

[LordOfChaos]

At a glance you are like 16 cores/22 threads (6 p cores + 10 e cores?) seems like a lot for a handheld device. If they can get a big enough battery in there, it might not be a bad option.

It will be interesting to see if intel will give the handheld makers sweetheart deals and to try and break into this market.

Yeah, 6P, 8E, 2 cores on the SoC for lower power E which can shut down the compute tile at low use and idle

 

[Mr Hyde]

With so much RGB you can throw a rave party.

 

[Xion_Stellar]

At a glance you are like 16 cores/22 threads (6 p cores + 10 e cores?) seems like a lot for a handheld device. If they can get a big enough battery in there, it might not be a bad option.

It will be interesting to see if intel will give the handheld makers sweetheart deals and to try and break into this market.

Testing on this chip is already done it came out to be about 28% weaker then the AMD chips that came out last year that you can find on a ROG Ally and on top of that it performs pretty badly in a low TDP setting so if paying premium for a weaker handheld than a ROG Ally is your thing then go for it.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

LOL a 28W CPU with a 115W turbo in a handheld. Ok MSI and Intel.

 

[MikeM]

Meh. I’d buy the Steam Deck because OLED and closest thing to console in a PC world (i.e. ease of use).

 

[Silver Wattle]

They went with a 'H' for a handheld? Stupid decision.

I understand that they needed to try something different, but that SoC is clearly worse than the Z1 extreme and the 7840U.

They don't have a trackpad, and is that LCD? RIP BOZO MSI.

 

[StereoVsn]

Display and battery are the most important factors on a handheld, so I'll wait for more details.

Controls are pretty important as well.

 

[Mythoclast]

Legion Go is the way to Go. Nothing like Windows gaming on a 8.8” tablet.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Testing on this chip is already done it came out to be about 28% weaker then the AMD chips that came out last year that you can find on a ROG Ally and on top of that it performs pretty badly in a low TDP setting so if paying premium for a weaker handheld than a ROG Ally is your thing then go for it.

That's why I think it will be interesting to see how good of a deal Intel is giving them here. Seems like this would need to be priced lower than the Asus and Lenovo systems in order to compete, though there is more RAM.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Drivers for this thing are going to be a disaster. Calling it now.

What do you mean? You aren't looking forward to the Dragon Center in handheld form?

 

[Codes 208]

Controls are pretty important as well.

Valid, one my biggest gripes with the rog ally was how it felt like my hands were cramping just holding the damn thing, something i never had issues with regarding the switch or steam deck

 

[Gambit2483]

How to over-saturate a new market in less than a year

 

[Neon Xenon]

Display and battery are the most important factors on a handheld, so I'll wait for more details.

Yeah, I see these handhelds and think, "These seem cool, but what about the battery life?"

Controls are pretty important as well.

Also important. I've got large hands, so it's kind of a hassle when playing a handheld that makes your hands cramp after a period of time.

 

[simpatico]

Why does the Claw's GPU have weird gendery pronouns pronouns?

 

[German Hops]

Intel, you say?

 

[GHG]

What do you mean? You aren't looking forward to the Dragon Center in handheld form?

If people thought armoury crate was bad this is a whole new level. Never have I regretted installing a piece of software as much as dragon center. That thing has the capability to fuck things up to a level you didn't realise was possible through software alone.

That combined with Intel GPU drivers... It's not looking good.

 

[onnextflix5]

Can’t wait for the 1 hour battery life on this, and the dreaded windows on a handheld , kill it with fire please.

 

[OverHeat]

Fuck that not buying this shit unless it have steam OS on it and it won’t

 

[Unknown Soldier]

How to over-saturate a new market in less than a year

It's not even a gigantic market, Steam Deck has only sold around 2 million units total and suddenly all these other companies are crowding in so they can all sell <100k units

 

[Elginer]

Intel? Hmmm....

 

[Holammer]

Fuck that not buying this shit unless it have steam OS on it and it won’t

Linked this in the other MSI Claw thread. From November last year.

https://www.pcgamer.com/steamos-on-handheld-pcs/

 

[LordOfChaos]

Testing on this chip is already done it came out to be about 28% weaker then the AMD chips that came out last year that you can find on a ROG Ally and on top of that it performs pretty badly in a low TDP setting so if paying premium for a weaker handheld than a ROG Ally is your thing then go for it.

The graphics performance of MTL 6+8+2 28W is about 30% better than 780M in synthetic benchmarks and about 10 to 15% in gaming, it comes down to drivers which have been improving rapidly but the hardware execution power is there.

AMD Radeon 780M Specs

AMD Phoenix, 2700 MHz, 768 Cores, 48 TMUs, 32 ROPs

www.techpowerup.com

Intel Meteor Lake CPUs' Integrated Graphics are 33 Percent Faster Than Prior Gen, Linux Benchmarks Show

Intel Meteor Lake Arc Graphics is pit against its predecessors in a benchmarking run from Phoronix, showing the gen-over-gen improvement in both iGPU performance and iGPU power efficiency from Intel.

www.yahoo.com

Leaked Core Ultra 7 155H Benchmark: Intel Meteor Lake GPU faster than AMD Radeon 780M

A recent leak of benchmarking data has provided insight into the performance capabilities of Intel's forthcoming Arc integrated graphics. The data positions Intel's offering as comparable to entry-level graphics cards from both Intel and AMD, with results indicating a performance edge over AMD's...

www.guru3d.com

Intel Meteor Lake Arc Graphics: A Fantastic Upgrade, Battles AMD RDNA3 Integrated Graphics Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

 

[DaGwaphics]

^ So this is a new chip that hasn't been released yet or is it the old one? It's hard to tell which way is up with Intel's naming scheme.

 

[LordOfChaos]

^ So this is a new chip that hasn't been released yet or is it the old one? It's hard to tell which way is up with Intel's naming scheme.

It's Meteor Lake, 14th gen on mobile, which just launched in December. Not the same as the same old architecture 14th gen on desktop. It's a new architecture with disaggregated tiles and a new Intel 4 node, it brought power use down quite a lot and the IGP is twice as good per watt.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

After having a ROG Ally for 24 hours, and helping my girlfriend set up her ROG Ally (Best Buy had the regular Z1 for $310 open box. She just wants to play "cozy" games anyway) I never want to touch Windows on a handheld ever again. Giant piece of shit OS made even worse.

Somehow she also refuses to use BPM.

 

[EekTheKat]

The apparent lack of touchpads makes this pretty much a non starter for quite a bit of pc centric games.

Steam Deck touchpads being able to be mapped to two bank of keys has been a godsend for games without native pad support.

Ready or Not has been a relatively pleasant experience on the Steam Deck, with gyro aiming and touchpads mapped to keys to give commands to teammates.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Waiting for Steam Deck 2. These beefy handheld PCs are pretty nice, but they don't have the stability, the OS.... and with Valve doing Steam Deck Verification on a game by game basis... yeah. My money is on the Big Bald Head with the Red Valve sticking out.

 

[Chiggs]

I can't wait to see the battery life.

 

[Quantum253]

Will this be introduced next week at CES? Also, it's crazy the amount of higher end handhelds that have been coming out since the SteamDeck

 

[Onironauta]

It's cool to see more big players investing in the handheld market, but I fear Intel APUs might not be efficient enough for low TDP devices like this, we'll see

 

[Mythoclast]

I dont understand the hate for Windows handhelds. Like dont most of you play on desktop anyway?

Id rather deal with Windows updates and settings (actually kinda fun) than not being able to play COD or Destiny because of the shitty Linux OS.

 

[ahtlas7]

Valve really opened the floodgates…

And set a high standard these devices don’t seem to equal.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Keep em coming. Most exciting corner of gaming for me. Lots of swift advancements and with more competition, these will evolve at a rapid rate.

 

[Ozriel]

I dont understand the hate for Windows handhelds. Like dont most of you play on desktop anyway?

Id rather deal with Windows updates and settings (actually kinda fun) than not being able to play COD or Destiny because of the shitty Linux OS.

Yeah, people talk like they spend most of the time in menus and the OS vs just playing the games.

There are significant tradeoffs with SteamOS, mainly games that don’t work (FC 24 especially, for me) and no native GamePass. I’m going to have to partition my Deck OLED to dualboot Windows just for that.

The MSI device isn’t that important on its own. What’s important is the new variable that is Meteor Lake, and if it gets more adoption by more OEMs for handheld PCs. AMD has made zero improvements for their low power APUs for 2024, so the only real opportunities for something new in the space comes from Intel and perhaps Qualcomm’s Nuvia based ARM chip that’s supposed to rival Apple’s M series.

 

[winjer]

MSI CLAW gaming handheld leaked, features Intel Core Ultra 7 155H with Arc graphics and 32GB memory - VideoCardz.com

MSI handheld leaked MSI to compete with ASUS and Lenovo with a brand-new handheld. MSI CLAW, Source: @wnxod Less than 24 hours since MSI’s first teaser on social media and we now have a picture, name, and full specs of the upcoming device. This gaming handheld is called CLAW, and it will be...

videocardz.com

Less than 24 hours after Intel reacted to this with

Could be pretty solid, I think the Arc IGPs are around 4.5Tflops, even if you have to downclock that a fair bit for a handheld you'd comfortably be making something above the Steam Deck's 1.6, and yeah we all know Tflops aren't comparable but speaking in ballparks here and the Steam Deck GPU was before the change in AMD flops (effectively doubling them for not nearly as much performance gain later)

RDNA2 TFLOPs are close to double the performance of Arch.
For example, the Arch A770 has a 19.66 TFLOPS peak theoretical throughput. But it performs slightly slower than a 6650XT, which has 10.79 TFLOPS.
So those 4.5 TFLOPs of this handled will be closer to a 2.3Ghz RDNA2 GPU.

 

[M1chl]

As certified AMD Radeon hater and lover of actual GPUs like Nvidia make...cough....I just wanted to say that going with Intel seems really strange...

 

[Mr Reasonable]

The Claw? Interesting name for something where ergonomics tend to be important.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Would be dope if intel could start making apus that challenge amd. I don't think its going to happen anytime soon, but it would be awesome.

 

[Topher]

I dont understand the hate for Windows handhelds. Like dont most of you play on desktop anyway?

Id rather deal with Windows updates and settings (actually kinda fun) than not being able to play COD or Destiny because of the shitty Linux OS.

If "most of you" play on desktop then they have a place to play COD or Destiny. Steam Deck is the last place I'd want to play those games personally. The problem with Windows is there isn't a unified UI for handhelds. Every manufacturer is forced to come up with their own and the experience isn't as good as Steam Deck's. So Valve is putting in the work that Microsoft won't and let's not pretend Asus, Lenovo and MSI are known for the software prowess before lamenting the "shitty Linux OS".