Thirty7ven
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Very disappointed in Naughty Dog this gen, where are the games fam
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Naughty Dog Confirms No New Info On Factions At TLOU Day
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Roni
Gold Member
At this rate, the GaaS model will be dead and buried by the time they feel like sharing anything about this title.Its been 3 years.
What the FUCK are they doing except posting how much they love their own tv show
The Last of Us 2 Factions multiplayer gameplay footage leaks online
https://www.gamesradar.com/amp/the-last-of-us-2-factions-multiplayer-gameplay-leak/?fbclid=IwAR0VNbeSYJH3s2CWNScTpuvE51wRdaeVEjWV3AxhBaCOBi6hr09gdDPI4nQ Video taken down The footage confirms a number of things about Naughty Dog's upcoming title, which was originally meant to be packaged with...www.neogaf.com
Roni
Gold Member
Remaking TLOU2 would be borderline ridiculous. Unless they leap forward another generation with TLOU3, there's no reason to touch 1 or 2 again.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Death Stranding is the exception to the rule.
All the other games you listed were created over a 5+ year period by separate teams within the publishers you listed.
yurinka
Member
No, AAA don't take 3-4 years to be developed anymore. They take longer for Sony and everybody else.
Every new generation AAA games take longer to be made, even if they add more workers to the development, because they require way more work.
Spider-Man 1 took around 4 years. Spider-Man 2 being the 3rd game in the series should take maybe even less time but it's going to take more, 5 years even if pretty likely will be developed by more people.
Since TLOU2 Naughty Dog announced TLOU Online and announced and released Uncharted Legacy of Thieves PS5, Uncharted Legacy of Thieves PC, TLOUP1 PS5, TLOUP1 PC. Plus mentioned they are working in more games including at least a narrative single player game. And on top of that the movie, tv show and theme park rides.
I think they won't remake it, but instead make a TLOU2 Director's Cut. Pretty likely a slightly remastered PS5 version with TLOUP1 visuals including TLOUP1 bundled to optionally play both in a row. And then some time later the PC port.
It would be released around the second season of the tv show. Pretty likely made by the same people who made Legacy of Thieves and TLOUP1 and their pc ports.
TLOUR, TLOU2, TLOUP1 and TLOUP1 PC got great sales/got boosted thanks to the tv show, so make sure that for the second season, set in the events of TLOU2, they'll release PS5 and PC versions of TLOU2. But obviously not being a remake, just minor tweaks.
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Elder Legend
Banned
Jim Ryan is testing them in his nursing home. On a serious note, I think they they had to restart Factions due to monetization.l structure and Bungie is assisting.
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0neAnd0nly
Member
Naughty Dog definitely embodies the modernity of working in America and the west.
Not surprised their output has fallen DRASTICALLY.
Too busy making everything an "art" with a "message" and have forgotten how to actually just MAKE A GAME.
Not surprised their output has fallen DRASTICALLY.
Too busy making everything an "art" with a "message" and have forgotten how to actually just MAKE A GAME.
Alex Scott
Member
According to Bloomberg it was something releated to "Bungie raised questions about the The Last of Us multiplayer project’s ability to keep players engaged for a long period of time, which led to the reassessment." It might be Naughty Dog's fault. They might have bitten off more than they can chew.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
I said it takes 3-4 years at least. There aren't too many big-budget games that release in under 3 years unless it's a sports game.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You can continue with the Fake outrage as usual. That's fine.
Would you want it to be open world or Linear?
Personally I am also hoping for Sci-Fi but if so I want it to be really unique. Like wow we’ve never seen it portrayed that way
A main character as good or Joel or Drake is a must
Elder Legend
Banned
Probably semi-linear like TLOU 2 was where you could go a bit off a beaten path. I believe Naughty Dog stated a while ago they will never start making open world games. Open-ended/more exploration maybe but not fully open world world. If you've noticed Uncharted 4 was linear, but it had much bigger open areas, every new game they made would get bigger and bigger gradually but still have linearity.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
With all due respect, devs working in California are getting a bit too distracted with less productivity. I think Sony, the mother company, should push SIE to focus more elsewhere to build a more productive studios in countries with devs that are extremely eager to work on new games.
I have extreme doubts that TLOU Factions needs all this time, it's a fucking online game and I don't expect they're planning to make it Fortnite killer for instance.
I have extreme doubts that TLOU Factions needs all this time, it's a fucking online game and I don't expect they're planning to make it Fortnite killer for instance.
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
Factions has been in development long before TLOU 2, which you seem to have forgotten so now I'm reminding you. Not even showing any updates + the recent official news about it confirm the development hell.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
It wasn't in development "long before" TLOU 2.
Maybe YOU forgot that it was in development alongside TLOU2 and then the development team was taken off the project to finish up TLOU 2. The project was rebooted as a standalone game.
GrayChild
Member
The articles I posted literally confirm that ND had 350 devs during the development of TLoU 2, not after that.
They have multiple teams within Division 1. It's not even comparable.
Division 1
Consumer Games Development Division 1 (CS第一 (だいいち)開発 (かいはつ), CS dai ichi kaihatsu tōkatsu?), or simply "Division 1", is a Capcom games development studio, and is the main studio responsible for Resident Evil games development in modern times. It took over from Capcom Production Studio 4 when...residentevil.fandom.com
And that division handles many other franchises apart from RE:
Control's budget was around 30 million
Control tops €92 million in revenue, sequel to have budget of €50 million | Game World Observer
Italian publisher Digital Bros has released its financial report for the six months ended December 31, 2022. The company also disclosed sales and other data for its main revenue-generating games.gameworldobserver.com
Smaller game by comparison
If anything, this kinda confirms how bloated and inefficient a lot of modern AAA productions are. But nothing else.
Horizon also had a major expansion and a VR title released very shortly after Forbidden West. And as I said, both Horizon and God of War's scope is much, much bigger than anything ND ever attempted to do.
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
So you claim that every bit of code was scrapped from from pre release of 2, and the footage that was leaked is a part of that scrapped forever unreleased version? Okay. That's an explanation not an excuse for terrible management and proof of development hell, thank you for the concession.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
That's because numbers have been floating around for years.
"Not sustainable": Developers across the industry react to The Last of Us Part 2's $220 million budget
As budgets soar, devs break down what that means
This was from 2021
Naughty Dog says it’s still struggling with multi-project development | VGC
“We definitely have multiple projects, but only one that is getting the lion’s share of focus”…
www.videogameschronicle.com
They had a lot of restructuring after the development of TLOU 2
As I said before, they have MULTIPLE teams in Division 1
You're proving nothing with that.
A major expansion is smaller than a full-size game.
This still tells us nothing because Horizon Zero Dawn was released in 2017 and Horizon Forbidden West was released in 2022. That's just a shade under 5 years.
Horizon Call of the Mountain was primarily developed by Firesprite.
makaveli60
Member
This industry is collapsing, am I the only one seeing it?
Thirty7ven
Banned
Don’t care about factions at all and if that was their major project then Naughty Dog is done.
Why are people surprised by this?
Yeah, Factions is borked, because Naughty Dog was boneheaded in making GAAS game "their way" and Bungo told them that people would not play their game long term. Which is kinda problem if you are making GAAS game.
But their next game is just...in normal dev cycle? People try to pretend that PlayStation Studios (outside of Insomniac) have magic pill to make games faster. Which is not true. 5 year dev cycle is and will be standard this gen. if you are making new IP, even longer since pre-production in those titles is also longer.
TLDR; Factions is in deep shit, bu them not announcing anything 3 years after TLOU 2 release is just reality of game development nowadays.
Yeah, Factions is borked, because Naughty Dog was boneheaded in making GAAS game "their way" and Bungo told them that people would not play their game long term. Which is kinda problem if you are making GAAS game.
But their next game is just...in normal dev cycle? People try to pretend that PlayStation Studios (outside of Insomniac) have magic pill to make games faster. Which is not true. 5 year dev cycle is and will be standard this gen. if you are making new IP, even longer since pre-production in those titles is also longer.
TLDR; Factions is in deep shit, bu them not announcing anything 3 years after TLOU 2 release is just reality of game development nowadays.
TheGodfather07
Member
Why the fuck are they wasting years on a last of us multiplayer only when they could have almost finished a single player new ip by now? They're going to waste an entire generation on this crap. I play naughty dog games for a single player narrative experience. Not a stupid multiplayer live service game. Are sony trying to kill the first party they've built up all these years. They had a good formula and now they're fucking it all up!
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GrayChild
Member
Still beats doing absolutely nothing of value during this time.
No matter how you try to twist the facts, Naughty Dog could not ship something that's technically just a slightly expanded multiplayer mode, which was included for free with the first game and had to be bundled with the sequel.
They fucked up and it's obvious they're on a downward spiral. All thanks to Druckmann's "flawless" management and bloated ego.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
The leaked footage was dated March 2018 and March 2020.
The footage from 2018 looked like the original fractions.
Footage from 2020 showed footage that was clearly a Battle Royal type of mode that was placed in Seattle. They were using many assets from The Last of Us Part II. There were place holders everyhwere.
Concept art shows the location has moved to California, which means many assets were scrapped.
I just told you facts and you're making excuses because you told me some inaccurate information.
Where is this proof that it was in development LONG before TLOU 2.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You're dodging every single point I made because you know you couldn't have an answer for it.
Why did it take nearly 5 years to release Horizon Forbidden West?
Where's Sucker Punch's new game? They released theirs a month after TLOU 2.
You tried comparing studios taking smaller projects to TLOU 2. You also tried to compare Capcom Studios (which are much bigger) to Naughty Dog.
Maybe you should stick with facts instead of trying to push a false narrative.
GrayChild
Member
I already addressed every single point in my previous replies. If you want to remain in denial and keep simping to your Sarkeesian-worshipping idol, that's your choice.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You didn't. Your post just got shorter every I debunked your false claims.
Where's Sucker Punches' new game?
Why did it take Guerrilla Games nearly 5 years to develop Horizon Forbidden West?
GrayChild
Member
Apparently I have to repeat the same thing again and again.
1. Sucker Punch are a much smaller studio compared to the rest of Sony's first-party devs (~160 people according to the latest reports).
2. Much bigger scale compared to any ND game.
Hopefully you get it this time.
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According to LinkedIn which is not 100% correct, but it paints a picture
Sucker Punch Productions - 215 employees
Naughty Dog - 890 employees
Sony Santa Monica - 398 employees
Insomniac Games - 521 employees
So basically Naughty Dog is 4x bigger then SPP.
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kaizenkko
Member
Naughty Dog have almost 900 devs (plus a lot of support studios under SIE), they are probably working on more games than TLOU Factions.
People forgot how many time takes to develop AAA games these days. Normally 5+ years for a sequel and 7+ years for a new IP. Insomniac is a exception, not the rule.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Wait.
Studio size was irrelevant when you mentioned Remedy, Capcom, and the others and now it matters?
You just proved my point by saying this.
You didn't answer my questions directly. You tried answering the Horizon question by throwing in the DLC and VR game (which was false) and now you're saying "it's a bigger scale."
Well, here's Resident Evil 2, a much smaller-scale game that took 600-800 employees to make.
Resident Evil 2 Remake being made by 800 developers
Capcom invests strong resources into its new Resident Evil 2 Remake.
www.tweaktown.com
Resident Evil 2 Remake was announced in 2015 that it was in development, it released in 2019
Resident Evil 8 development started in 2016 while they were developing Resident Evil 7. It took 3 and a half years to release.
So even with a smaller-scale game, it took Resident Evil 2 nearly 4 years to develop.
I can go on and on.. You're just throwing things that are not even true.
GrayChild
Member
Wait.
Studio size was irrelevant when you mentioned Remedy, Capcom, and the others and now it matters?
You just proved my point by saying this.
I never said that, so you can stop projecting.
And we're now almost 3 and a half years after TLoU2's release, while we haven't seen even a small teaser or a single minute of gameplay from Factions. Unless you're thinking they're gonna shadowdrop the game.
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
Nothing I said was inaccurate, and you are the one making excuses. So again, everything scrapped pre 2? Trashfire management if so, and Factions 2 was factually in development before release of 2, irregardless of what happened for the developed content. But I see you will just keep hitting reply to everyone, thinking this makes you right. Imagine me replying the same thing infinitely on a loop since nothing changed at all with your post, so I'm just restating the same factually correct information. Minimum it's been in development pre 2018 unless you'll cope that they made the leaked footage in a few months. (lol but feel free)
So minimum 5+ some years so far, and not even close to release as per news + statement by Sony.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You were doing it. Now you're denying it.
ND games are bigger. Size matters, right?
You really shot yourself in the foot with that one.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Nothing you said was inaccurate? Show me proof that the MP started development long before TLOU 2 as you said.
The entire city was scrapped because you're no longer in Seattle. All place holders were WLF and Scar modles.
The MP has a story, the OG mp clearly didn't. If the one in 2022 did, then it was likely changed because the new story takes place in California instead of Seattle.
Seems like a lot was scrapped..you're trying to tell me they kept a lot, including the code. Well, if the entire city was changed and now they have a story, a lot of stuff is new.
Now show me it was in development long before their last game
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
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Looking forward to another weird obfuscation attempt by you followed by me restating the same thing one more time.
2 years minimun pre release isn't long? Now you're just arguing semantics, but yeah, more than 2 years before tlou2. Call it whatever you want. 5 years (minimum! Much as you'd like to ignore the minimum part too) and counting in total development time, release no where in sight.
Looking forward to another weird obfuscation attempt by you followed by me restating the same thing one more time.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Thank the gaming gods for Insomniac!
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
It wasn't long before.
Also, your comments are getting shorter after I showed you how many things were scrapped. I'm also not going to look forward to your future comments because you have shown me you don't know what you're talking about. You can continue this argument on your own.
Elder Legend
Banned
I see you guys
DForce
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IAmAnAgnostic
have waited your entire lives to shine for this very moment.
DForce
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IAmAnAgnostic
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YeulEmeralda
Member
Did TLOU2 kill the franchise?
Elder Legend
Banned
No. Bella Ramsay and Pedro Pascal did. ND too worried about the show now lol.
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Shubh_C63
Member
They delayed the game by maybe 2 years after Bungie looked at their pipeline and probably said their overreliant on quality makes them dish out service based content way too slow. ND is probably re-defining the entire game according to Bungie expertise.
Its about a good game (60%) and how fast you can push new content the remaining.
Its about a good game (60%) and how fast you can push new content the remaining.
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
They're getting shorter because I'm repeating myself. Unlike you seem to think, more words doesn't equal more arguments. Refer to all previous comments, my statement is the same as in the very first and every other since.
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Hayabusa83
Banned
I wonder if this will ever see the light of day. Multiplayer games focus solely on game play mechanics, which are a mystery to Kneel Cuckman.
thekillergreece
Member
I mean, if that remaster is targetted for PC, that's fine.
Fake
Member
Wouldn't be called a remaster, just a port LOL.
ProtoByte
Member
Wasn't ND restructuring to avoid exactly this? How have they become less productive with producers in tow?
I guess that, "work life balance" bullshit, Neil's budding TV career and accethibility obsessiveness have created a real bureaucracy that's gotten in the way of people who actually want to make games.
Focusing on Naughty Dog/PlayStation, I think it's time to admit that this multiplayer shit was a mistake to even begin venturing. Factions has been in development for 4 years with repeated dev-hell problems, Horizon online's nowhere to be seen, 2 2nd party projects we know about got canceled, Fairgame$ (and that dollar sign in a fucking omen) looks like a shit idea, Concord is the second furthest along one they have in the chamber and they could only come up with a CGI trailer more vague and untelling than almost any "reveal" I've seen for the past 10 years in this industry.
thekillergreece
Member
True. The same reason why I don't call TLOU Part 1 'remake' is because it provided nothing new apart from some graphic upgrades.
Since the fanbase accepted it as 'remake', they'll accept any definition..
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