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saltyramen
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Any Suns fans here? I went down to the Drew League vs Seattle Pro-Am exhibition last night and Mike James looks nice man. Dude can fly for a PG.
Ninja Scooter
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Mike James is back? Rockets GAF weigh in on this.
Suns fan checking in, sir. I hope he makes the team and gets some time. It's going to be a fun year.
saltyramen
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Hahaha not that one.
Peter Ian Staker
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If I am Phoenix I am not giving up Bledsoe and Jackson for Kyrie, let alone the first rounder the Cavs will ask on top of that(and no the Cavs may not be satisfied with the crappy Miami picks and ask for a Phoenix one)
Suns are years away from contending. They have no use for Kyrie. He will only get in the way of the rebuild and then likely walk in 2 years when his contract is up.
At first I was all about getting Kyrie on the Suns because I thought he'd fit in well with our general youth movement. But as you say, the West is going to be too hard for the Suns over the next few years, so it's best to develop the young 21 year olds than to max out Kyrie. Still, I honestly feel like he's going to end up on the Suns. And that we will overpay. I really hope we just keep what we have and see how everyone plays together. We are not a Kyrie away from 60 wins.
I'm not that high on Bledsoe because of his nagging injuries and I don't see Jackson ever becoming as good as Kyrie. He's older than the rest of their core but he would do wonders for Booker's development. I also don't think the Cavs would need a 1st rounder on top of those two.
Based on what the Bulls got for Butler and what the Pacers got for George I think a Jackson/Bledsoe/1st round pick trade is wayyyyyy out of the question. We view their trade value as a lot higher than what actually happens.
Butler trade was way under market. I don't think we can use that as the standard going forward. PG was also a bit different, in that PG made it known that it's a 1 year rental. Jackson/Bled/pick is wayyyyyyyyy too much for Kyrie, unless he had 4 years left at 15 million a season.
saltyramen
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How are you guys liking these new Nike jerseys? The Washington ones are beautiful
Peter Ian Staker
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Bledsoe isn't the issue. If they can get Kyrie for Bledsoe and 1st that's fine.
But Jackson on other hand tho is a big no-no if I am the Suns. If you are a team that is years away from competing you hoard that lottery pick talent you can cost control and keep around for 8+ years. You don't give that shit away for 2 years of Kyrie Irving.That's a win now move the Suns aren't in a good position to capitalize on.
Also a Kyrie/Booker backcourt would be the worst thing ever. Just endless chucking and zero defense.They would get into each other's way.
You don't a need a Kyrie next to Booker, you need a PatBev/Smart/Bradley sort of player who can cover him on defense
I would agree on the Butler trade being undervalue, if Boogie hadn't gone for the same amount a few months earlier.
Teams just aren't willing to sell the house for a star anymore like the Knicks did for Melo.
Indiana's are awful
That Boogie trade was... something else. I don't know what to say. NBA trades are weird.
the_darkness
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Have I really seen OG Mike James and Chris Duhon namedropped in the past 24 hours?
The Shaqoldbe scowl is definitely the best part of this photo.
Randolph Freelander
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Checking the CBA...
Article XLII... Section 4...
Backsies
In the event a team such as the Indiana Pacers (just as an example) does something dumb such as trade Paul George for Victor Oladipo (again, example) and a better trade possibility comes along prior to the resumption of the league schedule, the stupid team can get its star back. Limited to one trade per stupid team every two league years.
While yes it's true the last three stars to be traded have
gone for very little, isn't it possible that all three teams just did a poor job of getting the best trade? It's not as if Chicago and Sacramento are known as well run franchises. And Indiana just went through a change in their front office. I don't think you can make a blanket statement about the entire league based on 3 teams.
wordballoons
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So have the cavs
Peter Ian Staker
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Well run franchises for the most part don't put themselves in a position where they need to trade a star player and well run franchises don't want to overpay for star players when they can get them in free agency.
You really think Ainge couldn't have trumped any of these offers?
He just doesn't need to when he can get someone like Hayward in free agency without giving up anything.
Eh, it's tough when you're in Indiana. Dude wants to go to LA and there's no way the Pacers are getting top free agents to tempt George to stay in Nap Town.
Weren't the reports saying that Ainge tried and offered more, but was rebuffed? I honestly can't remember.
i was hoping nike would use the star and stripes jersey so i could actually buy one
Peter Ian Staker
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Pacers were unlucky but didn't do themselves any favors. Replacing Vogel with McMillan will such an awful decision.
Then again the Jazz did almost everything right and it wasn't enough.
Ainge offered more for PG as did Magic but the Pacers were hellbent on sending him out to a West team that wasn't the Lakers.
Haven't heard anything about Butler and Boogie but a have a sneaking suspicion nobody was willing to deal with Ainge unless he put the Brooklyn pick on the table.
Ninja Scooter
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I def have heard grumblings (I think Lowe has alluded to them but I could be wrong) that there was a sprinkling of spite involved in Pritchard's dealings with the Paul George trade, that they didn't want to send him where he wanted (Lakers) and didn't want to send him to a contender (Boston, Cleve). Incredibly stupid of Indiana if true.
Cliche to say, but it's just business, man. You can't make it personal. That said, he's going to a pretty good team. They should be able to get HCA.
And perhaps the Cavs will make a terrible Kyrie trade because of it. That still doesn't change my point. The idea that the league isn't interested in offering good packages for stars is not proven because 3 or 4 inept franchises don't get quality returns for their star players.
Indiana got some great offers for George at last season's trade deadline. They also got a good offer from Denver in a three team deal with Cleveland.
I'm sure Chicago could have gotten better offers for Butler if they had waited.
It's illogical to come to the conclusion that: A) Team accepts shitty trade, therefore B) Only shitty trades were offered.
Caddywompus
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And Vlade said he impulsively moved Boogie because he was worried if he kept shopping him he would lose that deal and be left with accepting a worse offer. He's sold on Buddy being an NBA franchise player too.
The Bulls essentially accepted the proposed Bulter deal from the the previous draft so they were hard on for that package for whatever reason.
All three of those stars moved in head scratching deals that can be chalked up to poorly run organizations.
The Bulls essentially accepted the proposed Bulter deal from the the previous draft so they were hard on for that package for whatever reason.
All three of those stars moved in head scratching deals that can be chalked up to poorly run organizations.
Utah is an extremely well run franchise. Yet their best player just left them and no big time free agent is ever going there.
Peter Ian Staker
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That's why they didn't trade Hayward.
They believed the team was good enough to convince him to stay. As I said they did everything right and it wasn't enough.
Supha_Volt
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It was about time. Dude wasn't very good
Cool. Now he just had to lose his head coaching job.
I imagine he's gone after this year when they fail to make the playoffs.
Rad Shadow
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He gave up olynyk and bradley. That's not giving up anything. Lol
RedAssedApe
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what if austin rivers balls out this year though? lol
Randolph Freelander
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If?
Walter White
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A stray dog has a better shot at balls out this year.
RedAssedApe
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Lakers signed Vander Blue.
darkwing-buck
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Guys im scared, what if D'Lo becomes steph 2.0
Randolph Freelander
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The funny part will be when Mogzov becomes Klay Thompson.
darkwing-buck
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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Cornbread78
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It's hard for me to knock Doc when his teams suffered so many injuries to key dudes in the playoffs. Seems to happen every year.
slightconfuse
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Why would Cleveland trade Kyrie they have him for 2 years. He becomes more valuable as time goes on
He becomes less valuable as time goes on, his contract will wind down and teams won't want to trade as much for him