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NCAA men's basketball 2011-2012 OT: Lockout edition
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We keep jacking up ill advised 3s when we should be trying to get fouls on you guys and its pretty wrapped up at this point.
I think K gets a lot of credit for 2010 and that was a good coaching job, but this year he can't find a line up that works to his style and he can't call plays that works for this group of players. I thought that was always Roy's problem.
Yeah , these refs want to call anything, it's like playing UNC, except the calls are going both ways.
I don't think you're having a bad year. Plus, I'm still not sold on pulling this out- 10 years of Herb+ 5 years of Sid have tortured my soul.
Don't worry, we'll take an easy transition basket and pass it out for a 3 attempt and clank it. I'm really amazed on how stupid this team is. I knew we wouldn't win it all and lacking any real stars we would struggle, but I was unprepared for lazy and stupid.
Mac the KNife
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And here comes Duke.
Proelite
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They robbed themselves by stalling.
State's used to getting robbed.
Anytime there's an ACC game I expect Nick Patrick to be the referee.
So I know Duke is the story tonight, but Vanderbilt looked awfully impressive. Their eFG at half was like 90%. Obviously, they quit caring in the 2nd half and that number dropped, but still it was seriously impressive.
That's a team that you don't want to meet in the 2nd or 3rd round. Sure, they might not make it there, and there's a decent chance they'll suck it up against you, but there's also a chance they'll be nigh unstoppable.
That's a team that you don't want to meet in the 2nd or 3rd round. Sure, they might not make it there, and there's a decent chance they'll suck it up against you, but there's also a chance they'll be nigh unstoppable.
I thought NC State had about as many called against them in the 1st half of the UNC game. Really, it was a lot so UNC fans don't need to bitch.
kkaabboomm
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Dear god I hope and pray we get duke as our #2 seed. Easiest path to the final four? Yes.
Clarification: Syracuse uk and prolly Kansas/mizzou and OSU/mich st are 1 seeds, with unc/duke trying hard as well. That's the top 8. Duke is probably the worst of this entire group that will probably be a 2 seed. I don't want a Kansas or a unc rematch really, and probably not OSU or mich st. Though it'd be nice to replay last years wins over OSU and unc. Anyways, out of that group, mizzouri would be a great 2 seed matchup, as would duke, especially the way duke is playing now, wow. We would destroy them.
Also not saying the 2 seed would make it to us, but if they did...
And our team is a bit more well rounded than the John wall team that lost to wvu. More leadership that has played in domes and the final four before (miller has done elite 8 and ff, jones/lamb ff).
Clarification: Syracuse uk and prolly Kansas/mizzou and OSU/mich st are 1 seeds, with unc/duke trying hard as well. That's the top 8. Duke is probably the worst of this entire group that will probably be a 2 seed. I don't want a Kansas or a unc rematch really, and probably not OSU or mich st. Though it'd be nice to replay last years wins over OSU and unc. Anyways, out of that group, mizzouri would be a great 2 seed matchup, as would duke, especially the way duke is playing now, wow. We would destroy them.
Also not saying the 2 seed would make it to us, but if they did...
And our team is a bit more well rounded than the John wall team that lost to wvu. More leadership that has played in domes and the final four before (miller has done elite 8 and ff, jones/lamb ff).
Lulz @ you thinking we make the elite 8. That would be a win as it is. Who knows, you might choke like you did against WVU
GodfatherX
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your welcome rest of the the Big 12
your welcome rest of the the Big 12
vas_a_morir
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Would there ever be any doubt? Really, who could challenge? I suppose Greensboro or Raleigh makes sense, obviously.
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Statistically Carolina gets much more calls than any other team in the ACC.
It's by a ridiculous amount , especially when you adjust for tempo, and that amount increases dramatically for conference games.
Also, if you look at Roy's Kansas teams vs his Carolina teams, his Carolina teams get a lot more calls, and I doubt his coaching or players have been better at UNC vs Kansas.
Duke gets a bunch of calls also, but I don't think it is as bad.
There really needs to be some hardcore statistical analysis on this (and NCSU has a pretty damn good Statistics Department). Also, I wonder if these numbers have increased since Swofford has been on board (who's a UNC guy)
http://espn.go.com/blog/north-carolina-basketball/post/_/id/4912/lack-of-fouls-key-for-unc
Stuff like this from their director of officials doesn't help either.
NCSU is 7 deep and not terribly disciplined, they were also called for 3 more fouls than Duke was (two of which were end game stop the clock fouls) and shot about the same amount of FTs. State had a 20 pt lead with 11 minutes left, the refs cannot bail out a 20 pt lead with 10 to go, even NBA refs.
We had the same situation against St Johns about a month ago. Had a 22 pt lead with 12 minutes left in the second half, the team got awful complacent and St Johns became aggressive and got hot. Duke panicked and only won by 5 I believe. The refs didn't get St Johns back in the game, Duke's shitty defense and lack of discipline got St Johns back in the game.
You're right on State not being that deep this year, and some of the players did pick up some cheap fouls. (Howell and Leslie in particular have this problem on occasion). The refs called this game super-tight though, which benefitted Duke by a large amount. I don't know if it's conspiracy or not, I don't think this particular game was anything fishy, but it did clearly impact the game and cost State its ability to play any defense for the last 10 mins of the game. (and the whistles got looser at the end)
I'm not going on just that one game. This is a long term statistical trend. I think the last time a team other then UNC lead the league in fewest fouls (and UNC plays at a high tempo with around 10-15 more posessions on game on average, they should have higher-then-average fouling) was 2007-2008 (which was State, and that was due to Sidney Lowe playing an extreme slowdown style+ emphasis on passive defense, and even then it was close)
UNC does not play passive defense- the eyeball test proves that. Realistically, the teams that should be bottom in fouls called are likely UVA, and maybe BC. Not UNC.
Honestly, I don't think Duke asks for the beneificial treatment, I think Coach K knows it happens and takes advantage, he's a good, smart coach.
UNC lead the ACC in foul differential in 2010, you know, the year they sucked ass. Teams with similar records had way more fouls called on them than they did. Most of the blue blood teams get the benefit of calls and there are a variety of non conspiracy reasons on why that happens, with Duke its reaching Da Vinci Code levels of ridiculousness. Its a fun narrative ESPN loves to build on to get the casual viewer to care.
We've been on the other end of the stick, the 2004 final four game with UConn is the perfect example. We also had a game with BC in 08 where the refs completely changed how they were calling the game in the second half, it benefitted BC's tempo and they won the game. Both of those games were under 10 pt leads for Duke, and it certainly affected the game. I've never seen any team that had a 20 pt lead in the second half that was given away by the refs, instead of the leading team imploding. That includes NCSU last night, UMD in 2001 and Duke vs UK in 98.
Whats pissing me off about this latest conspiracy is people pointing to the fouls called the Packs starters vs Duke, when the simple fact is Duke can go 9 deep State doesn't have depth, especially in the front court. The team that is behind that big is going to play more aggressive if they want to come back, its not a mystery.
In a strange way I am actually scared of Duke. I would still rather play them than UNC in the tourney, but Dukes ability, when they are on, to hit 3's from very deep even with a hand in their face gives them a chance to knock out any team in the tournament.
Maybe I am over stating Duke's abilities, but the only two games I have seen of Duke was the UNC game, and I saw the last 15 minutes of the State game. Both games Curry, Rivers, & Dawkins were banging down tough or deep threes.
There is a chance Duke could be a #1 seed. Assuming they don't lose before the ACC tourney.
http://www.jconline.com/article/201...bar-fracas-involved-Byrd-s-teammates-updated-
Kelsey Barlow kicked off Purdue's team, DJ Byrd suspended for the next game (may end up getting charged with assault)
Kelsey Barlow kicked off Purdue's team, DJ Byrd suspended for the next game (may end up getting charged with assault)
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