fly high ~ayunite~
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I hope Nintendo has the balls to delay this to the holidays or even beyond if that's what it takes to polish this thing up.
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(ND Jan 23rd 2013) New Pikmin 3 Screenshots
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Freezie KO
Banned
That would effectively kill off the game. Launch Pikmin against GTA, CoD, new systems, and its own Mario Kart/3D Mario?
It looks fine, and I'm sure the gameplay is polished since they've been working on it for a while.
talking about the graphics or everything? This game needs to see sunlight before this year ends.
Reason being is that it's just gonna be sent to die even further if it gets delayed even more. Either way this game is gonna die but I'd rather have it die less if that makes sense.
JordanN
Banned
I don't like this excuse.
They willing pushed a $350 console where expectations for HD is at an all time high. Putting up with anything less is an insult to the consumer.
TheUnknownForce
Member
Well, I don't really like it, either, but Iwata himself said that HD development is sapping them more than expected. The fact that this game was a Wii title originally is not going to help it any when it comes to graphics.
I imagine they will have a better grasp of graphics when the second wave of games come through (this holiday onward), but anyone expecting Nintendo to suddenly match the other two in terms of graphical prowess is going to be disappointed.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
Progress!!
makingmusic476
Member
The guy sticking halfway out the water is hilarious.
I've never played the Pikmin series, but the games look like something I'd love. Here's hoping for eShop releases. Possibly even HD ports!
TheCongressman1
Member
This isn't pixel counting. The aliasing is prominently visible, and it can be reduced with the tech they have. Why not do it?
I'm not saying the game looks awful, but it could definitely look better.
i'm all for the fluff, but i'd rather them work on things like funny pikmin behavior than focus too much on the textures n stuff
Yup. It looks like they were finishing development on the Wii, decided to move it over to the Wii U, and just upgraded a few assets, put it in HD, and added a few "next gen" effects. They definitely could have done more in regards to graphics. If this were a new IP on the 360 or PS3 there would be people calling it out for having mediocre graphics compared to other games.
Still probably going to pick it up because I enjoyed the first two games, but I'm not going to bullshit myself and say this game looks amazing or anything.
Zoramon089
Banned
Posts like this make no sense. Why do you assume it would need to be delayed to holidays to polish? Going by this logic no game should ever be released as you can keep polishing and adding to it
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Those shots are OLD.
The gap in performance between GameCube and Wii U is LARGER than the gap between Wii and 360.
This game should look MUCH better than this.
slick7rick
Member
call me crazy, but i like these screenshots. a lot!
theman5141
Neo Member
If not for Pikmin adventure, I'd be genuinely worried about the overall capabilities of the console and/or Nintendo's capacity to adjust to the new development ecosystem.
In regards to the lack of AA, perhaps the development team cannot implement it without sacrificing a consistent framerate? Post-processing AA probably isn't a viable option with the excessive depth of field already in place - too much blurring?
In regards to the lack of AA, perhaps the development team cannot implement it without sacrificing a consistent framerate? Post-processing AA probably isn't a viable option with the excessive depth of field already in place - too much blurring?
That's not really the problem here though. HD graphics has nothing to do with the visual problems that are showing in this game. Low poly models and environments, very low res textures, lack of AA. These are not signs of having trouble with new technology, they are basic building blocks for visuals. The game doesn't look so pretty because they didn't want to completely overhaul the work they had already done, and instead tried to spruce it up with various effects and other graphical upgrades. To some degree it works, but you can clearly tell where the game started.
Personally I would think it's a failure of the engine the game is built off, but perhaps I'm way off on this.
I think that W101 deserves that title, and like Pikmin it has a whole lot of characters on screen at the same time.
CoffeeJanitor
Member
Those textures are Cube level. Nasty.
theman5141
Neo Member
To be frank, it could be some other unfathomable factor that none of us have even contemplated in the remotest sense. It could very well be the engine, in which case I hope Nintendo has been doggedly modernizing that proprietary "Nintendo engine" they use for the majority of their in-house projects.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
The new screens definitely look worse than the old ones. What's up with that?
In any case, still 100% stoked for this game.
In any case, still 100% stoked for this game.
Nah. I give it to Nintendo Land (which funny enough, houses a better looking pikmin game in it). At least as far as what's actually out now. Zombie U a close second mostly thanks to aesthetics.
Zoramon089
Banned
Those aren't new screens unless you mean from the Nintendo Direct...
StreetsAhead
Member
This thread is not new...
Anyway, I don't care what it looks like. Pikmin 1 (and 2 now that I've actually played it) are hella fun and I just want a release date for this.
Nintendomination promised footage soon, didn't he?
Gargh! Miyamoto!!
Aquamarine
Member
Really it's just some of the ground textures / geometry that looks like it came straight out of a 2002-era GameCube game.
I assume this is to maximize performance.
Everything else looks stellar.
You're right, its hyperbole. To me it looks like a Wii game.
It's like sim city to a degree. You're mostly going to be playing the game zoomed out, direction your pikmin from a relatively overhead angle. The ground textures will look great from there. When zoomed right in for these shots, there is a noticable lack of polys and lower res textures, but you won't notice them when playing.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Werent original Pikmin games great looking when they first came out?
This game is not releasing before E3 :/
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
I know everybody is gameplay>graphics but shit... Right now I am Release date>graphics lol.
This goes beyond "Lol Nintendo." I think.
They have the resources and the talent, as evidenced by the Galaxy titles, to put out an HD title that looks on par with a PS3 or 360 game.
If any other company released these shots, people would be wondering if there was trouble during development.
They have the resources and the talent, as evidenced by the Galaxy titles, to put out an HD title that looks on par with a PS3 or 360 game.
If any other company released these shots, people would be wondering if there was trouble during development.
The games were impressive for their time. The Gamecube/Wii are the successors to the N64, so seeing so many polygonal characters of screen was amazingly impressive at the time.
Pikmin 2 was lovely at release because you could tell the game had been through a long development. It was packed with content, and the art made up for any of the game's technical shortcomings.
This just looks kinda bad. I'm not saying it's the worst game I've ever seen, but let's put it this way.
If this were gearing up to release in 2006 alongside Gears of War and Motorstorm, you'd say it looks kinda bad.
This just looks kinda bad. I'm not saying it's the worst game I've ever seen, but let's put it this way.
If this were gearing up to release in 2006 alongside Gears of War and Motorstorm, you'd say it looks kinda bad.
Bjoern the Smexy
Member
Pikmin 3 has been in development since...2009 or 2010 at least.
If they need any more time to polish this gem, will ther even be something left of it?
Aquamarine
Member
You'd be surprised at much early GameCube games have aged. I've been intensely studying Nintendo-released GameCube games recently--when you look at them closely, there's a LOT of issues not immediately apparent to our rose-tinted-nostalgia-goggles (rotating sprites, blurry textures, blocky character models, repetitive geometry, etc.)
Take a look at these state of the art ground textures + no shadows (Pikmin 1):
...Yeah. We've come a long way since then.
Playing it, it looks better than in the screenshots. And the build I played is very old.
There are geometrical and ground texture issues, btw.
I don´t think it would be a good idea to release basically nothing until holiday 2013.
And I don't have the money for any of them anyways. .
makes me really sad, that for some people graphics seem to define a game more than the gameplay.. and - by the way - i think it look great und charming.
StreetsAhead
Member
What does everyone think of the character designs? I have to say, I kinda like them, especially the green guy, but I do wonder why they went down to three captains...maybe the other footage we've seen is mostly multiplayer?
For reference:
For reference:
It blows my mind that people are expecting some graphical powerhouse from Pikmin. The game is all about the art style and gameplay. Like expecting Mario bros U to knock your socks off graphically. Its just not gonna happen. Having said that this looks amazing to me. Mainly due to the art direction and lighting.
Mr.Wreckless
Banned
You think Pikmin can compete with GTA5, new CoD, PS4, and 720?