Pinko Marx
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...But Skyrim did make the list.
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NeoGAF's Essential RPGs (2012 edition) - Results Posted
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...But Skyrim did make the list.
theDeeDubs
Member
Looking back at my list, I had a decent mix of j & w rpgs. I think it's because I grew up mainly a PC gamer who bought consoles solely for japanese games until this gen. This is the first generation that I've been primarily a console gamer.
MrBelmontvedere
Member
ah, user error. nvm move along.
I just had a look at last year's version of this thread again (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416224), and I like that list a bit more than the new one. I wonder why Planescape dropped so much. Have many gentlemen of taste and refinement left neogaf this year? It's disconcerting.
Anyway, I went through the list to see which games on it I played and completed.
For the top 20 it's:
completed / played / total
13 / 19 / 20
The one that I haven't played is Dark Souls, but it's on my list.
For the top 50:
26/38/50
Here I'm missing more, but the only ones I really want to try are Tactics Ogre and Grandia.
Anyway, I went through the list to see which games on it I played and completed.
For the top 20 it's:
completed / played / total
13 / 19 / 20
The one that I haven't played is Dark Souls, but it's on my list.
For the top 50:
26/38/50
Here I'm missing more, but the only ones I really want to try are Tactics Ogre and Grandia.
excluding games I played for less than an hour, here are my stats.
- I own 45 of the Top 50 (missing the Mother games, Xenoblade, PSO and Dark Souls)
- I have played 35 of the Top 50
- I have completed 20 of the Top 50
A number of the games that I have played but not finished are pretty close to completion. With Jrpgs, I have a tendancy to the end where you are about to enter the no-return lead-up to the end boss, feel as though I should do the side quests, get bored of the side quests, and then never finish.
- I own 45 of the Top 50 (missing the Mother games, Xenoblade, PSO and Dark Souls)
- I have played 35 of the Top 50
- I have completed 20 of the Top 50
A number of the games that I have played but not finished are pretty close to completion. With Jrpgs, I have a tendancy to the end where you are about to enter the no-return lead-up to the end boss, feel as though I should do the side quests, get bored of the side quests, and then never finish.
Ha, do I ever recognize that pattern. It even happens with WRPGs sometimes when they have a clear point of no return, for example I had a 5 month break before I did the final sidequests and last mission in ME2.
Whether the break I often take before finishing the games ever ends is a great indicator of game quality for me. I'd say that on average I only complete about 40% or so of the RPGs I start, but it's almost 70% for the top 50 of this poll.
Also guilty of this.
I don't generally agree with a number of titles on this list or the missing unrepresented games, but given that I didn't bother voting, eh.
cartman414
Member
Ok, you be trolling us now.
None of this makes sense. If it really were about Nintendo loyalists, Pokemon might be a LOT higher. And shock over Final Fantasy VII getting outranked? You must have missed out on the backlash, even among people who like the game. They just don't feel it's THAT great.
A little bummed out FFV missed the chart by a hair.
BTW, what was the minimum vote count for a game to be listed? I saw no fewer than 4.
flabberghastly
Member
You most definitely should, especially since it's only $4.99 right now on GOG. It has very few rivals when it comes to writing in video games. It's a singular experience, but just be sure to pour plenty of points into wisdom and try to avoid combat.
1) On PSP
2) Released this year
3) Still full price on PSN I believe
I have been hearing a ton of good things about the game, but I am holding out for $20 or less at this point. Backlog is full enough as it is.
Well, I mean, the plot wasn't THAT great and it takes a while to get going.
The music is excellent, however.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
I agree, but at least it was close to the Top 50. Hopefully it will be there next year when more people have played it.
jim-jam bongs
Member
Results were pretty much what I expected. Personally I'm inclined to agree with the idea of separate east/west lists, if only because the voting breakdown indicates that there are a lot of people who exclusively play one side or the other, meaning that split lists are more useful from a recommendation perspective.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
You'd see it if I had thought to put in honorable mentions. It's up against STIFF even better competition you see.
I don't see the point of splitting the list between WRPGs and JRPGs.
16 wrpgs made the top 50. Of the 70 other games that received 4+ points but missed out on the top 50, only another 16 were WRPGs. It's not like there were a ton of WRPGs that got crowded out by JRPGs. Most people weren't really voting for Wrpgs besides the big titles.
What I might do next year though is allow people to pick more titles as some posters suggested. A lot of people listed 20-30 titles with their HMs included, and it would help for reduce the number of ties.
16 wrpgs made the top 50. Of the 70 other games that received 4+ points but missed out on the top 50, only another 16 were WRPGs. It's not like there were a ton of WRPGs that got crowded out by JRPGs. Most people weren't really voting for Wrpgs besides the big titles.
What I might do next year though is allow people to pick more titles as some posters suggested. A lot of people listed 20-30 titles with their HMs included, and it would help for reduce the number of ties.
archnemesis
Member
Looking through the list I own and I've played 66 games out those, although not the same 66. Only 48 was played to completion. It's mostly RPGs on Nintendo systems like Fire Emblem, Baten Kaitos, Pokémon and the various Mario RPGs that I haven't played. Nice work putting everything together kswiston!
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
I would definitely be in favor of this. It's just too hard to get down to 10 titles without leaving out a lot of stuff, and I think lists would be a lot more varied with more spots to choose from.
Looking at all 102 games in that top 100 (ties), I currently own 92 of the titles, have played 61 titles, and have finished 39 titles. I REALLY need to clear out my rpg backlog...
Houston3000
Member
Nice list, pretty accurate IMO... I would of ranked Diablo II higher but it's just my personal preference.
Also, since it seems you're listing all platforms, Final Fantasy VII was on PC as well as PS1 and PSN - came not around the same time as the PS1 version. I have the game and jewel case in my drawer right now and it's how I played it originally.
Also, since it seems you're listing all platforms, Final Fantasy VII was on PC as well as PS1 and PSN - came not around the same time as the PS1 version. I have the game and jewel case in my drawer right now and it's how I played it originally.
I had been holding out for a PSN sale on Trails in the Sky too, but finally broke down when Amazon had the UMD for $12 a couple of weeks ago. I'm 21 hours in now and it gives such a feel-good Lunar vibe that I can hardly stand it! The Y's games eventually got to $14.99 on PSN, so hopefully this one joins them soon so more people will give it a shot.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
This thread delivers.
So...looking only at the top 50.
I own 40 of the top 50.
I have played 40 of the top 50.
I have completed 27 of the top 50.
I need to stop buying games and finish some shit. : /
edited for more stats...
So...I own 80% of the top 50 games and completed 54% of the top 50.
Shit goes sideways when I looked at the top 102.
There are games I own that I haven't played and games I no longer own but HAVE played...so...
I own 74 of the top 102 so rounding up, I own 73% of the top 102 games. (It's a bit scary as I have more RPGs...they just didn't make the top 102.)
I have completed 43% of the top 102 games. I seriously need to stop buying more games.
So...looking only at the top 50.
I own 40 of the top 50.
I have played 40 of the top 50.
I have completed 27 of the top 50.
I need to stop buying games and finish some shit. : /
edited for more stats...
So...I own 80% of the top 50 games and completed 54% of the top 50.
Shit goes sideways when I looked at the top 102.
There are games I own that I haven't played and games I no longer own but HAVE played...so...
I own 74 of the top 102 so rounding up, I own 73% of the top 102 games. (It's a bit scary as I have more RPGs...they just didn't make the top 102.)
I have completed 43% of the top 102 games. I seriously need to stop buying more games.
Of the top 50,
Own: 13
Played: 23
Completed: 12
Maybe completed should be 13. Can you 'beat' World of Warcraft?
Mattakuevan
Member
For the top 50:
Own: 30
Played:41
Completed: 18
Dear god that's bad. I guess I just tend to not finish RPGs mostly >.>
Own: 30
Played:41
Completed: 18
Dear god that's bad. I guess I just tend to not finish RPGs mostly >.>
bigdaddygamebot
Member
I feel pretty good about saying I had beaten everything up to the Burning Crusade...then...Warcraft beat me.
I can agree with the first 2 and their positions, everything after that is kind of ehhhhhhhh. Skyrim at 4? It's good but it's not THAT good. I might have considered disbarring 2011 and even 2010 titles from entry.
Not to say skyrim doesn't deserve a position or a lot of these games, just the actual order is all kinds of wonky.
Hmmm I've played 25 of the games, not sure how many I own (would require going through my storage and screw that) but at least a dozen and I've completed every one of them that isn't an MMO
Not to say skyrim doesn't deserve a position or a lot of these games, just the actual order is all kinds of wonky.
Hmmm I've played 25 of the games, not sure how many I own (would require going through my storage and screw that) but at least a dozen and I've completed every one of them that isn't an MMO
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
So many shit turn based JRPGs. Embarrassing.
The sooner they die out and Demon's/Dark Souls, Witcher, Deus Ex, etc etc start to rise to the top of this list is the day when good taste has won.
The sooner they die out and Demon's/Dark Souls, Witcher, Deus Ex, etc etc start to rise to the top of this list is the day when good taste has won.
Mattakuevan
Member
Why are you shitting on turn-based in an RPG thread? Just saying.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
Because I like RPGs but not turn based ones?
Not that the turn based aspect is the only element I don't like. Most of the JRPGs on this list are about annoying anime kids saving the world, with lots of grinding, repetition, bad writing, etc etc. I just kinda lumped all of that in as "turn based" because I didn't want to do a blanket JRPG statement now that the Souls series exists!
Not that the turn based aspect is the only element I don't like. Most of the JRPGs on this list are about annoying anime kids saving the world, with lots of grinding, repetition, bad writing, etc etc. I just kinda lumped all of that in as "turn based" because I didn't want to do a blanket JRPG statement now that the Souls series exists!
Mattakuevan
Member
But you're implying that they're shit, when turn-based is pretty much what built the genre.
I like action RPGs better too, but saying turn-based games are in bad taste is a little much.
Edit: Ok, I see your point after your edit. Yeah I agree.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
A little hyperbole never hurt anyone 
Aren't you a big Nintendo fanboy?
bigdaddygamebot
Member
A little hyperbole never hurt anyone
I disagree with the whole turn-based-shitty-jrpg "thing" BUT...I do agree that hyperbole is pretty awesome.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
Uh.. no? I like lots of Nintendo games, but I was pretty vocal about how Skyward Sword is one of the worst games I've played this year so I think it would be hard to brand me that!
You must be thinking of someone else.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
You could only vote for one game per series?
That's stupid.
Yes Mother 3 is fantastic. Weak on the gameplay side but incredible everything else.
Vagrant Story
Has not aged well at all. Played it for the first time a few years ago and it was fun for two hours or so then got WAAAYYYY to repetitive and redundant.
MrBelmontvedere
Member
BLASPHEMY!
I have many fond memories of turn based RPGs. Especially the Dragon Quest games.
I wish the turn based mechanic was more prevalent in modern RPGs than the button mashers they have turned into.
we.are.the.armada
Member
Alright,
Done
BOOOOOM!
kswiston, future slayer of demons, breaker of Japanese schoolgirls' hearts, and overall ultimate badass
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Too clever or not clever enough is a thin line marked by one being in the right.
Agreed, it's such a shame they've fallen out of favor in recent times.
I enjoyed some of the newer action oriented RPGs such as Xenoblade but sometimes I miss turn-based games a lot. I want a real turn based system like FFX or Romancing Saga Minstrel Song had. Where you really need to plan and think about what you want to use.
I always enjoyed both turn-based as well as fast action based games, but nowadays they all seem to be about action and a lot of the old charm I love has gone missing.
R_thanatos
Member
There are a lot of rpg without those clichés that made the cut in this list..
There are plenty of jrpgs this year WITHOUT those clichés too..
Demon & dark souls are just one way to see the Jrpgs , to associate them with "good taste" like you've wrote is silly at best considering the pedigree of some of the titles that are in the TOP 50 of this list..
Turn based is something that exist in both genres (Jrpgs & wrpgs ).. they birthed the genre . to forgot about them is a disgrace to a rpg lover.
Augemitbutter
Member
the voting and outcome is good as it is. if wrpg fans are fed up with the results, they should start voting properly.
this reminds me of the best VGM list we had recently. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=447847
i think jrpg are just more memorable compared against most wrpg. the emotional attachments are higher in jrpg with their character focus and diverse musical directions. wrpg stayed dead number games for a very long time, with less graphical charm and poor induction of lore. i know some games were different and some things have changed since then, but i think that's the main reason why classic wrpg get replaced by the flavor of the month games very quick. there is nothing to go back to when the newer games have better mechanics.
this reminds me of the best VGM list we had recently. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=447847
i think jrpg are just more memorable compared against most wrpg. the emotional attachments are higher in jrpg with their character focus and diverse musical directions. wrpg stayed dead number games for a very long time, with less graphical charm and poor induction of lore. i know some games were different and some things have changed since then, but i think that's the main reason why classic wrpg get replaced by the flavor of the month games very quick. there is nothing to go back to when the newer games have better mechanics.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
When does it pick up?
I'm fifteen hours in and still waiting for something to sink the hook.
please tell me it picks up
Excellent work kswiston, thank you!
There are plenty on the list I intend to checkout. I only had 1 JRPG on my list (PSO, which is really on PC too), but I had 3 "Eastern-block" RPGs (Sacred 2, Two Worlds II, and Dead Island). The rest were WRPGs. The only other JRPGs I played were Demon's Souls, Skies of Arcadia and a few of the FF ones and I just didn't enjoy them as the ones I listed. I'm not really a fan of turn-based RPGs, child characters, and/or random encounters. :/ Different strokes and all that.
There are plenty on the list I intend to checkout. I only had 1 JRPG on my list (PSO, which is really on PC too), but I had 3 "Eastern-block" RPGs (Sacred 2, Two Worlds II, and Dead Island). The rest were WRPGs. The only other JRPGs I played were Demon's Souls, Skies of Arcadia and a few of the FF ones and I just didn't enjoy them as the ones I listed. I'm not really a fan of turn-based RPGs, child characters, and/or random encounters. :/ Different strokes and all that.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Estelle and Joshua's story is on a collision course with the overarching plot of the series. It's coming soon for you.
is there any chance the SNES games hold up in terms of writing and/or story? I'm thinking of getting FFIII off the VC.
and is FF Tactics good for someone who doesn't play SRPG. The only SRPG game I like is Valkyria Chronicles, I''ve tried Disgaea but I was completely overwhelmed, I'd like to try something that's easier to get in to
and is FF Tactics good for someone who doesn't play SRPG. The only SRPG game I like is Valkyria Chronicles, I''ve tried Disgaea but I was completely overwhelmed, I'd like to try something that's easier to get in to