You do realize that millions of the new gamers who have DS' as their first handheld are children who became old enough to game in the past six years, right? Populations increase, and that means more potential gamers. Six years from now, there will be millions and millions more potential gamers that will have been born.dr3upmushroom said:
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Nintendo 3DS Announced: New 3D handheld (no glasses!), reveal @ E3, out by March 2011
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JoshuaJSlone
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Nintendo is not going to release the next-gen equivalent of PSP within the next year.dr3upmushroom said:
Skiesofwonder
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dr3upmushroom said:
Just got through explaining to you why Nintendo would not do that. They won't so stop bringing it up likes it is a possibility. You also greatly underestimate the power that 3D has over consumers.
And no, making a PSP2 would NOT be a way to differentiate themselves. Regular people really don't give a shit about graphics anymore, and most can't (or don't care to) even recognize the difference.
You do realize Nintendo is the creator of the Wii and DS right? They know how to bring innovation to the market and make it succeed. To act like they would abandon that winning formula is moronic. So I'm not saying your a moron, but your opinion is definitely moronic.
Skiesofwonder
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selig said:
I'm very certain there will be at least one. Similar to the DS when the first initial announcement was dual screens, later followed up by touch screen and microphone at E3.
Chatin said:
If it doesn't really add anything to the experience, and is a mere gimmick, I assure you people will notice and the 3DS will lose its appeal quickly.
I'm confident the 3D functionality allows for new kinds of gameplay. Just like initially with the touch screen / dual screens, there's gotta be more to it.
Xbox owners bought 360s. The more impressive graphics did not add anything in a strictly gameplay sense. People bought them anyways. This is the way the industry works, and it's not suffering for it, despite what some naysayers may imply.
The 3DS does not need some innovative gameplay-affecting tech to be worth the upgrade. If it has it, great, but otherwise, people still aren't getting ripped off. It's naive to think that people will suddenly stop making the purchases the way they always have in this industry, simply because the 3DS doesn't redefine gaming. 3D is far and away a notable addition.
The 3DS does not need some innovative gameplay-affecting tech to be worth the upgrade. If it has it, great, but otherwise, people still aren't getting ripped off. It's naive to think that people will suddenly stop making the purchases the way they always have in this industry, simply because the 3DS doesn't redefine gaming. 3D is far and away a notable addition.
Chatin said:
In the end it's about how good the games are. I think if the 3D is just a visual extra the appeal of that will wear off quickly.
I agree Nintendo doesn't need it, it'll sell regardless. But knowing Nintendo, they usually build the experience around the tech and I hope this time again it's more than just a gimmick. We'll be able to do something we didn't think of yet.
But, I mean, what are you expecting, 2Dcube? You really think there won't be any games made for it that exploit the advantages of better depth of field?
Also, I'm pretty sure that most 3D games will be served well by 3D vision, even if it wasn't built from the ground up with 3D in mind... I don't understand how or why you would be hesitant about it being a "gimmick" when at a base level it will surely help general audiences immerse themselves better in digital representations of 3D worlds.
Also, I'm pretty sure that most 3D games will be served well by 3D vision, even if it wasn't built from the ground up with 3D in mind... I don't understand how or why you would be hesitant about it being a "gimmick" when at a base level it will surely help general audiences immerse themselves better in digital representations of 3D worlds.
Graphics Horse
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Tiduz said:TEN DAYS TILL E3!!!
GET HYPE
manueldelalas
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camineet said:
Close to PS3 and 360? Bwahahaha, who are they kidding?
I'm going to be really happy if it's near Gamecube quality with 60 fps. Would look amazing on a smaller screen.
SpeedySwaf
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It's not impossible...if it's coming out in 2011, it'd be 5 years after the launch of the HD consoles, probably enough time to get that kind of power (or close to it) down to a more portable form. The time between the PS2 and the PSP was 5 years, for instance.
Even then, though, that sort of gaming device would be expensive, even without the 3D tech they're touting, and Nintendo's always been about putting out consoles that are relatively cheaper. Nintendo could always surprise us, but I doubt we'll be getting graphics on that level. GC at the very least.
Even then, though, that sort of gaming device would be expensive, even without the 3D tech they're touting, and Nintendo's always been about putting out consoles that are relatively cheaper. Nintendo could always surprise us, but I doubt we'll be getting graphics on that level. GC at the very least.
I guess, if it's not entirely made up, it's another instance of the gaming "press" misunderstanding its sources. Unless it uses a Flipper derivative (which I hope it doesn't) 3DS will likely be much closer to 360 and PS3 in graphics processing capabilities (supporting programmable pixel and vertex shaders at least, maybe even unified) than Wii, but similar in power (e.g. fillrate).
Graphics Horse
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xtop said:
Something custom made or a custom variant like every other Nintendo hardware.
Graphics Horse
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Durante said:
I don't mean they're made in house, it's usually a custom design via a third party.
Caesar III
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I don't expect a HD quality increase. Not because the tech is not there but because this will KILL battery nearly instantly. Even the Wii is @ 20Watts which is WAY too much for a handheld device. Even with tegra or something similar I think the battery is the limiting factor here.
Graphics Horse
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Caesar III said:
You're underestimating the amout of cash Nintendo has been spending on R&D, they could easily be using quantum computing and optical chips to save power.
abstract alien
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How far fetched is it to believe the abilities will be closer to 360 levels? It wouldn't need nearly the same amount of power that the 360 requires due to resolution, right? Not saying we will be playing Oblivion on the 3DS, but being able to produce the "image quality" while maintaining what most DS games have as gameplay isn't completely crazy, is it?
I don't really care in all honesty, but I'm just curious if it is as crazy as its being made out to be...
I don't really care in all honesty, but I'm just curious if it is as crazy as its being made out to be...
Good point. Wouldn't the 3DS output at a lower level though? Due to the small screen, it can display wii level graphics with much less effort right?Caesar III said:
Sure, what I'm saying is that I don't even expect the third party designs to be particularly different from their off-the-shelf parts. People were excited about A4 and it turned out to be a ARM Cortex A8 and SGX 535. I just don't think it's worth it to design custom silicon for such a widely needed purpose as mobile 3D rendering anymore. But I could be wrong.Graphics Horse said:
:lolGraphics Horse said:
Thunder Monkey
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GCN level isn't pie in the sky.madara said:
360 level though? Now that's thinking like a crazy person.
AceBandage
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Thunder Monkey said:
Crazy like a fox!
Graphics Horse
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selig said:
Pick one or more of the following BAMMS:
BAMM Analog stick!
BAMM Analog buttons!
BAMM Multi touch top screen!
BAMM motion sensors!
BAMM microphone capable of recognising more than blowing and certain colours!
AceBandage
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Graphics Horse said:
Built in crepe maker.
Graphics Horse
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Nirolak said:
Pretend you didn't, it'll ruin the BAMM.
Starchasing
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Graphics Horse said:
3D stylus to make it easier to interact with a 3d world
Actually, if the 854x480 screen rumors are true, it needs to render more pixels for even that one screen than Wii does. And then add 3D and the second screen on top of that, and it would actually require more performance than Wii to achieve comparable graphics. Not that that is an impossible goal.abstract alien said:
Graphics Horse
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Durante said:
I was thinking that too, but aren't the 854 x 480 pixels shared between the stereo screens? It's still not far off Wii res though.
Graphics Horse
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Durante said:
Yeah I meant each eye is lower than Wii res, I don't know why I needed to point that out really.
Well since IGN claim the 3DS is far more powerful than the Wii...here's an idea that won't possibly happen..
..the 3DS doubles as a Wii HD upgrader.
You connect your Wii via USB to the 3DS (with the wii basically used as an external DVD drive)...the 3DS reads the data from the Wii..and outputs it in 720p via a HDMI output. :lol
..the 3DS doubles as a Wii HD upgrader.
You connect your Wii via USB to the 3DS (with the wii basically used as an external DVD drive)...the 3DS reads the data from the Wii..and outputs it in 720p via a HDMI output. :lol
More powerful than Wii could mean the resolution is still 480p plus or minus, but geometry & lighting, shaders, etc are far more powerful. It wouldn't surprise me. AMD/ATI could supply a low-end GPU based on the R8xx / HD 5xxx series that blows Flipper/Hollywood (10-11 year old tech) out of the water.
Jason's Ultimatum
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LOL at 3DS being more powerful than Wii. Maybe the graphics look better due to the tiny screen.
Then again, this is IGN afterall.
Then again, this is IGN afterall.
MidnightScott
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How much do yall think the games will cost? Will Nintendo try to keep it $29.99, and $34.99 for First Party games?
Or do you think we are gonna be paying $40-$50 per game? I really doubt this. Tons of DS are sold because they have cheap startup costs...
Or do you think we are gonna be paying $40-$50 per game? I really doubt this. Tons of DS are sold because they have cheap startup costs...
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camineet said:
Yeah, a lot of people here can't seem to grasp that. It's not that hard to blow the Wii out of the waters. An ON-BOARD geforce 6015 LE graphics chip can blow the Wii out of the waters. I ran Paraworld at 1024 x 768 at around 30 frames per second with some stuff on medium and high. Paraworld is not a game you'd confused with a GC/Wii game visually.
GDGF said:
I'd be completely happy with GCN or Wii level hardware (Wii has a 50% plus difference in speed over GCN plus 3.5x the main fast memory 88MB vs 24MB).
Imagine SMG3 on 3DS, OMFG I'm in love already. At least 3DS probably won't be weaker than GCN/Wii. I absolutely do NOT expect 360/PS3 levels of performance.
I'm thinking 3DS uses PowerVR SGX 5xx.
I'm the first to point out the shortcomings of the decade-old flipper design, but "blows out of the water" may be a bit of an overstatement considering the power budget of a handheld. A mobility HD 5430 requires 7 Watts and has a single (1/20th of a 5870) 16-wide VLIW SIMD unit at 500 Mhz. You could maybe optimize and downclock it further by a bit but I think they'd have to half the SIMD width to get remotely close to the power budget required.camineet said:
Why would you do that?
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IIRC, when the DS first came out, some 3rd party games were actually going for $50.MidnightScott said:
I can see 3rd parties doing the same thing at first... but I can see games being $40-$45 on the 3DS.
One thing I wonder is if game data will still be saved on cartridge or if it will be saved on the 3DS itself... or both (like, you're given an option).
AceBandage
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Why would you do that? said:
Probably on the card itself, since memory is pretty cheap and prevents onboard memory from being written to constantly.
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