When did the PS3 force this?
PS3 had a bunch of mandatory installs to play single player games. MGS4 was the worst.
When did the PS3 force this?
Lol at the concern trolling and false equivalences.
Even if you go 100% physical, a 500gb PS4 could be full with only 5 games due to mandatory installs. After 10 games the vast majority of people would need additional storage or to delete games.
If you go all 100% physical on a 32gb Switch, you could currently not need ANY additional storage even if you own every single currently released game!
Yes eventually you may need some additional storage if you have a few big 3rd party games like this one. But in most use-cases a physical game collection will not need extra storage or to delete games on Switch for years.
You need to learn what contradiction means. I wasn't addressing the issue itself, but the concern trolling and false equivalencies.You totally contradict your point with your last paragraph. You go on and on about how the Switch doesn't need the extra space, then you admit "Yes eventually you may need some additional storage". The point is that the types of games likely to need that extra storage aren't on the Switch yet. If the Switch hopes to have a chance at getting ports of games designed for the XB1/PS4 which have a ton more updatable storage and tend towards more realistic graphics, it is going to need more storage. If on the other hand your point is that Switch gamers don't want those games, then that proves the point that the console isn't likely to get them.
PS3 had a bunch of mandatory installs to play single player games. MGS4 was the worst.
You totally contradict your point with your last paragraph. You go on about how the Switch doesn't need the extra space, then you admit "Yes eventually you may need some additional storage". The point is that the types of games likely to need that extra storage aren't on the Switch yet. If the Switch hopes to have a chance at getting ports of games designed for the XB1/PS4 which have a ton more updatable storage and tend towards more realistic graphics, it is going to need more storage. If on the other hand your point is that Switch gamers don't want those games, then that proves the point that the console isn't likely to get them.
Yeah but the games didn't ship incomplete om the damn disc.
Edit:
The PS4 doesn't need extra storage to play any single game like the Switch does. The two are not even remotely comparable situations. You only need more space on the PS4 if you want more games to be available concurrently. The Switch can't even play the full game of some titles without extra memory.
I know exactly what a contradiction is and your last paragraph contradicts your point that there are "concern trolling and false equivalencies." There can't be concern trolling if the point people are concerned about actually exists...which your last paragraph admits to be true.You need to learn what contradiction means. I wasn't addressing the issue itself, but the concern trolling and false equivalencies.
They'll eventually need space just like X1/PS4 will need space. They just don't need it now.
They don't need all that uncompressed sound and other assets since they'll be shooting for portable specs. Look at FIFA and NBA2k.
This whole thread just reeks of concern trolling.
Some of them did. That's what Day 1 patches fixed.
Name one Switch title that requires extra space right now.
The Day 1 patches are bug fixes, not missing levels/modes. Why don't people get that?
That is simply wrong. The XB1/PS4 don't need extra space. I should know. I own a launch PS4 with no external hardrive, and have one of the largest PS4 games, Doom, on my console right now. I can download and play any PS4 game now and in the future, without ever increasing my storage capacity. The ONLY thing I would need extra storage space for would be if I wanted more games to be available concurrently. The Switch needs extra storage space just to play the full game of some games.They'll eventually need space just like X1/PS4 will need space. They just don't need it now.
From the article we are currently talking about it says..."At least one upcoming release, NBA 2K18, will be such a game requiring a MicroSD card in the system." Oh and it is not just uncompressed sound and other assets that need that space. Patches need that space too.They don't need all that uncompressed sound and other assets since they'll be shooting for portable specs. Look at FIFA and NBA2k.
They'll eventually need space just like X1/PS4 will need space. They just don't need it now.
Name one Switch title that requires extra space right now.
They don't need all that uncompressed sound and other assets since they'll be shooting for portable specs. Look at FIFA and NBA2k.
If you download arms, mk8, splatoon 2 and botw, you end up with 25.2 gb out of the 32 gb available. So with 4 games you're already at nearly 80% of the file capacity. If you're in japan, dragon quest 1+2 will take up over 100% of that 32 gb. How is that acceptable?
The same way 5 games can torpedo most of your storage on existing platforms.
Name 1 ps4 game right now that takes up over 500 gb of space. launch titles are a plus
If you download arms, mk8, splatoon 2 and botw, you end up with 25.2 gb out of the 32 gb available. So with 4 games you're already at nearly 80% of the file capacity. If you're in japan, dragon quest 1+2 will take up over 100% of that 32 gb. How is that acceptable?
If you download arms, mk8, splatoon 2 and botw, you end up with 25.2 gb out of the 32 gb available. So with 4 games you're already at nearly 80% of the file capacity. If you're in japan, dragon quest 1+2 will take up over 100% of that 32 gb. How is that acceptable?
They also don't need a journey mode either. Are you cool with them shaving essential or important features just to fit the limited switch hardware?
It's a portable device for under $500.
It's a portable, so yes?
I'm realistic with my expectations when it comes to a midranged PC with of the shelf parts in a custom framework vs a fully portable device that didn't cost nearly a grand with an hour battery life.
I honestly don't know where the fuck you guys are expecting here considering that, once again, it's a portable device.
What games? Tell me of a single released physical retail Switch game that requires extra storage to play on a Switch.That is simply wrong. The XB1/PS4 don't need extra space. I should know. I own a launch PS4 with no external hardrive, and have one of the largest PS4 games, Doom, on my console right now. I can download and play any PS4 game now and in the future, without ever increasing my storage capacity. The ONLY thing I would need extra storage space for would be if I wanted more games to be available concurrently. The Switch needs extra storage space just to play the full game of some games.
Yep. Intellectually dishonest is exactly the right term for their lines of argument.It should either:
- have a 500GB harddrive and be the size of a brick.
- double the storage, still run into storage limitations out of the box and be more expensive
- not have games that require it?
I guess? I don't know it's hard to keep up with intellectually dishonest bullshit.
No they are not. This also refers to the physical version.EventHorizon: They are likely writing about the eShop version.
If you purchase a physical version of a game that requires an additional microSD memory card, you will be able to play a portion of the game right out of the box (for example, specific levels or modes), the representative said.
http://www.techradar.com/news/some-...-require-microsd-cards-to-play-the-full-thing
Are you on ketamine right now or did you miss the "5 games" and "most" part? I already have to clear storage on my PS4 because it requires installs for physical games.
If you're in Japan, you're an idiot for buying that game digitally.
What games? Tell me of a single released physical retail Switch game that requires extra storage to play on a Switch.
You will find NONE.
What games? Tell me of a single released physical retail Switch game that requires extra storage to play on a Switch.
You will find NONE.
You are discussing a hypothetical at this point, based on a quote that makes no sense.
From the article we are currently talking about it says..."At least one upcoming release, NBA 2K18, will be such a game requiring a MicroSD card in the system."
So... not a released game. So you don't have a released example and are wrong.Oh for God sake. To save my blood pressure I'll just copy a reply I previously made.
See above. Not released, and not physical in the form being discussed.NBA 2k18 needs one, as the article discusses
Not released, and not physical in the form being discussed.
A representative for Nintendo of America confirmed that box art, like that for NBA above, will have notices of this memory card requirement on the front and back of packaging
They are? Heaven almightyEvery publisher should just go for the smallest and cheapest cartridge from now on. Go physical, download 80% of the game. Seems like people are defending this.
oh ok so now we're blaming the consumer, cool.
What difference in the world does it make if the game is released or not? NBA2K18 releases in 15 days. If you want to play that game you need to buy extra memory. End. Of. Story.So... not a released game. So you don't have a released example and are wrong.
And the quote makes no sense for the physical release unless the game has more than a 25gb download, on top of what is on the cart, since the Switch has that available out of the box. The quote is therefore likely referring to the download code release, aka NOT a physical release.
We'll see if the physical version does require a 25gb download...
and this...Nintendo is making sure not to blindside players who purchase games that need extra storage, though. A representative for Nintendo of America confirmed that box art, like that for NBA above, will have notices of this memory card requirement on the front and back of packaging.
So yea... the quote is referring to physical games too."If you purchase a physical version of a game that requires an additional microSD memory card, you will be able to play a portion of the game right out of the box (for example, specific levels or modes)," a representative for Nintendo of America told IGN.
EventHorizon: I bet we will find out the truth once the game is released on cart, and I bet it won't be as dire as many are making it out to be.
Lesson: read what you are replying to properly before posting.Oh my mistake, it only releases in 2 weeks, you totally owned me.
No.What difference in the world does it make if the game is released or not? NBA2K18 releases in 15 days. If you want to play that game you need to buy extra memory. End. Of. Story.
This conversation would be more constructive if you all actually read the article...or my prior comments. Here let me help you out. There is this...
and this...
So yea... the quote is referring to physical games too.
Thps5 was one that was more than big fixesThe Day 1 patches are bug fixes, not missing levels/modes. Why don't people get that?
No.
THE QUOTE IS LIKELY WRONG.
Yes, the in this case they are likely wrong.Huh, so I guess the people who literally represent Nintendo are wrong then, huh. Even if you are right, that still doesn't make up for the fact that 9 gb is over a third of the usable space on the switch, which is pathetic.
The 400gb one costs almost as much as the switch. When exactly do you think that 700gb card will become affordable?With micro SD cards now almost half a TB, think space won't be an issue and procing too. Nintendo anticipated this with Sandisk that there will me more demand for bigger micro SD cards and with economies of scale they'll be sold. I think in 2-3 years we might get a 700GB odd numbered card like the 400GB and in 10 years time 1 TB micro SD will be the norm
Huh, so I guess the people who literally represent Nintendo are wrong then, huh. Even if you are right, that still doesn't make up for the fact that 9 gb is over a third of the usable space on the switch, which is pathetic.
Problem is the types of games likely hit by this are ports of 3rd party XB1/PS4 games. 3rd party games have traditionally had a hard time selling on Nintendo platforms even without this extra requirement. This WILL reduce sales. The only question is by how much. If the initial large 3rd party games have less than expected sales, in 2-3 years there might not be any left to make use of the cheaper memory cards.With micro SD cards now almost half a TB, think space won't be an issue and procing too. Nintendo anticipated this with Sandisk that there will me more demand for bigger micro SD cards and with economies of scale they'll be sold. I think in 2-3 years we might get a 700GB odd numbered card like the 400GB and in 10 years time 1 TB micro SD will be the norm
And that worked out sooo well for the Vita.How much was those Vita memory cards?
And that worked out sooo well for the Vita.
As for your second point, goalposts, where are you?
buy a freaking SD card they are cheap
oh you prob dont even have a Switch
Oh man you couldn't make this up.You got me, I don't play games designed for children because I am an adult and like spending my money on things I support, which doesn't tend to include gimmicky shit.
Lesson: read what you are replying to properly before posting.
No.
We know the size of the game is 25gb, from the digital release file size.
We are assuming it is coming on a 16GB card.
Therefore, if it comes on a 16gb card the quote CANNOT be correct. It will only need 9gb of space in addition to what is on the card. Switch comes with 25gb of usable space.
THE QUOTE IS LIKELY WRONG.
Notice how digital only comes up at the end. How in the world could these quotes only be referring to digital, and if they were wrong how come they went uncorrected for 3 days? Once again, Nintendo gave these statements to IGN to get this exact article written. They would know if it was wrong."If you purchase a physical version of a game that requires an additional microSD memory card, you will be able to play a portion of the game right out of the box (for example, specific levels or modes)," a representative for Nintendo of America told IGN.
"To enjoy the full game, downloading additional data is required. Depending on the storage requirements for each game, it may be necessary to purchase a microSD card to expand storage space. When purchasing a digital version of the game, it may also be necessary to purchase a microSD card depending on the game's storage requirements and the storage available on the consumer's Nintendo Switch console."
This is like people defending piecemeal dlc, except with physical hardware.
It is not a single quote. It is an entire announcement given to IGN on exactly this subject. That is the WHOLE point of the article. In addition, this article was released 3 days ago. If there were any mistakes Nintendo would have long since notified IGN about it.
But hey, we don't have to even dig that deep. The quotes from the article itself specifically mention BOTH digital and physical versions. They even talk about how notifications would be on both the front and back of boxes. There is no way it was only referring to digital. In fact, digital downloads are only thrown in towards the in. The article is primarily about physical copies. Here let's look at a fuller version of QUOTES from Nintendo.
Notice how digital only comes up at the end. How in the world could these quotes only be referring to digital, and if they were wrong how come they went uncorrected for 3 days? Once again, Nintendo gave these statements to IGN to get this exact article written. They would know if it was wrong.
You got me, I don't play games designed for children because I am an adult and like spending my money on things I support, which doesn't tend to include gimmicky shit.
You are speaking as though it is absolutely required to buy an sd card.
And maybe not having enough place for everything at the end of the day ? I don't like your options...
It's so strange to see everyone so understandable for everything related to the Switch... Not Nintendo, just the Switch.
We'll see. I doubt NBA2K18 will actually require more than the 25GB Switch affords you internally unless T2 decided to use 1/2/4GB card or something.Is this "say any untrue thing to pretend I have an argument" day? My point is not only not hypothetical, it is explicitly spelled out by Nintendo.