So basically its near impossible to answer this at the moment.
This thread in a nutshell
And yet I keep coming back every day because I NEED TO KNOW
So basically its near impossible to answer this at the moment.
Well they can stop the lie then. Even with hearing UE4 is on Switch. I just don't see one developer even indies "thrilled" to bring their console game to a machine that can deliver 720 p when docked and 540 on the go. If that's the case they could have just released it as a handheld and call it a day. Didn't Emily Rogers rumor say 720p on the display of the until on the go not in dock mode. I just don't see them trying to market this thing as play your favorite games on go at 540 or on the bid screen at 720. I guess I could be wrong no knows until Nintendo or Nvidia decides to clarify that. There was that rumor about 900p now I could see that as a minimum while docked and falls more closely wit it being loser to xbone when docked on your big screen. But just like Wii U this thing will be dead on arrival with "core" players. Look a third party game with worse graphics and assets but you can play it on your TV at 720p. The only way I see this happening is if Nintendo has a "true" home console underthe nx concept umbrella product coming late 2017 early 2018. No way they are going to this product on the market for 4-5 years as their standalone product marketing 720p tv display when everyone else is pushing 4k. Either way I guess we will see but I'm not saying I know how it's achieved but I think they somehow achieved up to 1080 docked lowest being 900p as the resolution.
Conservatively 400gflops is reasonable. Could easily be more but I suppose if they're going for true 1080p in docked mode then 400gflops at 720p would require around 900gflops docked to run the same.
Half the Xbox One would be 650GFlops of power. I would guess we're looking at somewhere between 350-400GFlops during portable mode.
10watt X1 SoC to Pascal Tegra would only draw 4watts for that same performance, This device has a maximum battery life of 3 hours, even with N3DS XL (which uses 4 watts) you'd need to draw 7watts+ to only have 3 hours max. Thus this device has more performance over X1 on the go.
When docked it has to have over 40% better performance than x1 to need active cooling since Tegra X1 Shield TV was passively cooled in a similar size. You get 720gflops+ when docked. It is about the only thing we know if we trust rumors from Nate and just accept that Pascal is a given considering this won't be a 20nm device.
So yes, ~600gflops on the go and ~750gflops when docked is my estimate if it is pascal, it nearly has to be.
10watt X1 SoC to Pascal Tegra would only draw 4watts for that same performance, This device has a maximum battery life of 3 hours, even with N3DS XL (which uses 4 watts) you'd need to draw 7watts+ to only have 3 hours max. Thus this device has more performance over X1 on the go.
When docked it has to have over 40% better performance than x1 to need active cooling since Tegra X1 Shield TV was passively cooled in a similar size. You get 720gflops+ when docked. It is about the only thing we know if we trust rumors from Nate and just accept that Pascal is a given considering this won't be a 20nm device.
So yes, ~600gflops on the go and ~750gflops when docked is my estimate if it is pascal, it nearly has to be.
I thought the Shield TV does include a fan, though it runs quietly. I don't know if that changes your estimates but it's worth mentioning.
This thread in a nutshell
And yet I keep coming back every day because I NEED TO KNOW
It's a placeholder price. Nintendo has not given retailers the pricing yet.Hey guys, I wanted to make a new thread, but it seems that I don't have enough privileges. I'm not very active, I mostly lurk. So I thought I could post this here.
I'm from Romania, and our biggest electronics/IT & gaming retailer, Media Galaxy, just put up the Switch pre-order page. It already has a price attatched, but it could be just a placeholder (the date is also listed as a "default" 31st of March 2017). The price is 1349 Lei/RON, which is roughly equivalent to 299 euros, which usually means that it would be listed at $299 in the US.
I'm not really sure if there are shops with prices attached to the Switch in other countries, so I thought it's an interesting bit of information. 299 is not out of the ordinary considering Nintendo is basically selling a 6" tablet with a dock and some physical controllers. The price should be around that mark anyway..
Here is the link:
http://mediagalaxy.ro/consola-nintendo-switch
It does. The fan is small and silent. That's what makes the loud cooler in the NX Dev Kits stand out. It makes me think they have been overclocking the TX1 to approximate the performance of the final hardware.
Well they can stop the lie then. Even with hearing UE4 is on Switch. I just don't see one developer even indies "thrilled" to bring their console game to a machine that can deliver 720 p when docked and 540 on the go. If that's the case they could have just released it as a handheld and call it a day. Didn't Emily Rogers rumor say 720p on the display of the until on the go not in dock mode. I just don't see them trying to market this thing as play your favorite games on go at 540 or on the bid screen at 720. I guess I could be wrong no knows until Nintendo or Nvidia decides to clarify that. There was that rumor about 900p now I could see that as a minimum while docked and falls more closely wit it being loser to xbone when docked on your big screen. But just like Wii U this thing will be dead on arrival with "core" players. Look a third party game with worse graphics and assets but you can play it on your TV at 720p. The only way I see this happening is if Nintendo has a "true" home console underthe nx concept umbrella product coming late 2017 early 2018. No way they are going to this product on the market for 4-5 years as their standalone product marketing 720p tv display when everyone else is pushing 4k. Either way I guess we will see but I'm not saying I know how it's achieved but I think they somehow achieved up to 1080 docked lowest being 900p as the resolution.
Well they can stop the lie then. Even with hearing UE4 is on Switch. I just don't see one developer even indies "thrilled" to bring their console game to a machine that can deliver 720 p when docked and 540 on the go. If that's the case they could have just released it as a handheld and call it a day. Didn't Emily Rogers rumor say 720p on the display of the until on the go not in dock mode. I just don't see them trying to market this thing as play your favorite games on go at 540 or on the bid screen at 720. I guess I could be wrong no knows until Nintendo or Nvidia decides to clarify that. There was that rumor about 900p now I could see that as a minimum while docked and falls more closely wit it being loser to xbone when docked on your big screen. But just like Wii U this thing will be dead on arrival with "core" players. Look a third party game with worse graphics and assets but you can play it on your TV at 720p. The only way I see this happening is if Nintendo has a "true" home console underthe nx concept umbrella product coming late 2017 early 2018. No way they are going to this product on the market for 4-5 years as their standalone product marketing 720p tv display when everyone else is pushing 4k. Either way I guess we will see but I'm not saying I know how it's achieved but I think they somehow achieved up to 1080 docked lowest being 900p as the resolution.
If you can't play at 1080p this is the first major failing of the console..
If you can't play at 1080p this is the first major failing of the console.
I was worried the portable aspect would handicap the home console element and that appears to be the case.
If you can't play at 1080p this is the first major failing of the console.
I was worried the portable aspect would handicap the home console element and that appears to be the case.
Well, obviously it will. That's physics. Not expecting that is silly.I was worried the portable aspect would handicap the home console element and that appears to be the case.
Well, obviously it will. That's physics. Not expecting that is silly.
Yep. Do you want your games to look the best they can get? Get a PC.
You want to play those games anywhere, get a Switch.
Based on what? So many people stating facts based on speculation...
You're out of luck.And for those of us who want to play Nintendo games without compromised tech in their home?
Based on what? So many people stating facts based on speculation...
And for those of us who want to play Nintendo games without compromised tech in their home?
And for those of us who want to play Nintendo games without compromised tech in their home?
Hey guys, I wanted to make a new thread, but it seems that I don't have enough privileges. I'm not very active, I mostly lurk. So I thought I could post this here.
I'm from Romania, and our biggest electronics/IT & gaming retailer, Media Galaxy, just put up the Switch pre-order page. It already has a price attatched, but it could be just a placeholder (the date is also listed as a "default" 31st of March 2017). The price is 1349 Lei/RON, which is roughly equivalent to 299 euros, which usually means that it would be listed at $299 in the US.
I'm not really sure if there are shops with prices attached to the Switch in other countries, so I thought it's an interesting bit of information. 299 is not out of the ordinary considering Nintendo is basically selling a 6" tablet with a dock and some physical controllers. The price should be around that mark anyway..
Here is the link:
http://mediagalaxy.ro/consola-nintendo-switch
Based on what? So many people stating facts based on speculation...
And for those of us who want to play Nintendo games without compromised tech in their home?
Not sure what you expect? Nintendo doesn't need PS4 level power to make amazing games. They have always had some pretty complex and immersive games compared to Sony despite the big difference in graphics.And for those of us who want to play Nintendo games without compromised tech in their home?
And for those of us who want to play Nintendo games without compromised tech in their home?
I would be okay with 900p for the heavy titles. I think 900p is the minimum that should be displayed in dock mode. But seriously 720p is going to cut it. My first 720p tv was purchased in 2006. Come on Nintendo that was almost 11 years ago.
And for those of us who want to play Nintendo games without compromised tech in their home?
If you think about it, it's a pretty Nintendo thing to release a system that might even struggle with 1080p in a year the other big players are pushing for 4K.
This kind of bait is getting tiresome while ignoring the hybrid nature of the system or that it will be an incredible powerful portable system.
If you're saying the Switch will focus on 4K, HDR, and VR, then obviously you're looking at it from the wrong crowd.Well, it's Nintendo who said the device is intended as a home console primarily. I think it's a handheld that can be docked, but they're the ones pushing it as a competitor in that space for obvious reasons.
If you're saying the Switch will focus on 4K, HDR, and VR, then obviously you're looking at it from the wrong crowd.
Where am I saying that? I'm saying that in a year the home console companies are pushing for such formats, aligning to compete your device in that space doesn't necessarily look flattering.
"But you can take it with you!" is their counter-argument, but that essentially means it's a mobile system that can dock, not that it's a home system that also works on the go. The distinction being the performance target. I just take issue with Nintendo's messaging, basically.
Even in the handheld space, the 3DS was underpowered compared to a PSP, so it's not like pulling this conversation into that space makes the precedent of Nintendo making underpowered systems too shocking. It's nice that they seem to be aiming for a really powerful handheld this time though, that's a favorable position, but the dedicated gaming handheld overall isn't a favorable position to begin with.
Even in the handheld space, the 3DS was underpowered compared to a PSP
Do you think Nintendo believes themselves that this system is a home console first? The ONLY reason why they're saying that now is because they're getting ready to launch quite possibly one of the biggest games of the year on their current handheld that is going on six years old. They do not want to get out their and kill any of the gangbuster sales 3DS will have this holiday due to Pokémon.
I guarantee you once Switch is out, or even in January, they will make a huge deal about the handheld component over the console component.
If the handheld footage shown was any indication, it probably won't even be as capable as the Wii U when undocked. I know the footage was photoshopped in, but it's still pretty likely that they captured it from a real system before that (especially considering the choppyness of games when used in mobile form).
You guys are expecting way too much from this thing.
If the handheld footage shown was any indication, it probably won't even be as capable as the Wii U when undocked. I know the footage was photoshopped in, but it's still pretty likely that they captured it from a real system before that (especially considering the choppyness of games when used in mobile form).
You guys are expecting way too much from this thing.
If the handheld footage shown was any indication, it probably won't even be as capable as the Wii U when undocked. I know the footage was photoshopped in, but it's still pretty likely that they captured it from a real system before that (especially considering the choppyness of games when used in mobile form).
You guys are expecting way too much from this thing.