Captain Chaos
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HUELEN10 said:
yeah definately, your comment made me post.....we're onto something here, why would nintendo do that?
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Nintendo's stance on Wii storage: only "geeks and otaku" want that addressed
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yeah definately, your comment made me post.....we're onto something here, why would nintendo do that?
HUELEN10
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Well, assuming we are correct, it could have been done to try to cap off the amount of channels before space ran out. However when you download a lot of NES games like I do, you run out of Channels before blocks. They KNEW that storage was a problem, yet they did not nip it in the bud........Captain Chaos said:
bumpkin
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I'm with you to an extent, but it is a little annoying when I need to copy stuff to an SD card and delete it to download something new. I don't even own that many games from the Wii Shop; 5 NES games, 4 N64 games, 4 SNES games and 2 WiiWare games. Given the size of the shop's catalog, its built-in storage is far from adequate.Vinci said:
Captain Chaos
Member
HUELEN10 said:
ha, from their point of view, they did exactly that.
on reflection it could be the case that Nintendo have planned this all along. Get random French rep to fire up the hardcore with their justified anger at lack of storage then blaw!! a few weeks later E3 comes and our hero Iwata announces a Nintendo branded 8gig flash pen with animal crossing pre loaded on it
Crescendo170
Member
I never said they needed to clarify anything. I didn't even say that they should clarify anything. I'm saying that if an official MS-exec, or perhaps an Epic-representative made a comment like this, they would at least try to calm down the angry nerd-mob. Nintendo on the other hand, they just don't give a shit.Jokeropia said:
HUELEN10 said:
I think Miyamoto has actually commented on that being the one thing he wishes he could've changed in the Wii's development - to increase the storage, IIRC. This thread is pretty funny in how people are actively trying to showcase Nintendo as some sort of bad guy or something.
Crescendo170 said:
If Sony attempted to apologize for the torrent of stupidity that came from its many executives' mouths in the months leading up to the PS3's launch, it would still be apologizing to this day.
The Blue Jihad
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bumpkin said:
I'm in a similar position, too. By no stretch of the imagination did I go overboard with the VC. I picked up 3 N64 titles, a handful of SNES, some Genesis, and around 10 NES games. And even that took up a considerable chunk of space. Then there are channels that I find myself unable to get rid of (weather and news, I think), because there doesn't appear to be an actual Delete option. Then you have game saves, which are (bizarrely) separate memory items from the game data entries themselves.
It's super-lame.
Oh! Does anyone even use their Photo Channel? I can't begin to figure out how anyone has any space left if they store even a few dozen family pictures...for most cameras today, you can fill 500 meg really frigging quickly...
Vinci said:
Not me. I see Nintendo as a sort of George Dubya figure; they assumed power largely by accident, they don't really possess a clear grasp on how flawed their policies are, and they're kind of child-like in their malaise and naivete.
Captain Chaos
Member
I hope all this new sku talk becomes reality at e3 and Nintendo drops the price of standard wii and then releases a 'bells and whistles' version for me.
I mean this is the age of choice
I mean this is the age of choice
Captain Chaos
Member
Vinci said:
Ok, I'll make do with a new colour (black, red, green - I dont give a damn, where are those colours!!) 8gig flash drive and....
Super Mario 5
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Vinci said:
I think the original idea was that once we fill up a Wii, we're supposed to go out and buy another one, to ensure Wii's success. Well, since now, no one can find one, I guess it's plan B!
While I haven't ran out of space yet (mainly due to having no money), I want the storage issue addressed. It's a matter of convience first and foremost.
If we don't get announcement this year I'll be dissapointed. I'd be happy with a USB flash drive or something like that.
With WiiWare and VC, and whatever channels and other things come along even some of the upper end of casual users will be hurting for space, badly.
If we don't get announcement this year I'll be dissapointed. I'd be happy with a USB flash drive or something like that.
With WiiWare and VC, and whatever channels and other things come along even some of the upper end of casual users will be hurting for space, badly.
Visualante
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David Jaffe made a blog post in response.
http://criminalcrackdown.blogspot.com/2008/06/you-shit-on-my-house-you-shit-on-my.html
http://criminalcrackdown.blogspot.com/2008/06/you-shit-on-my-house-you-shit-on-my.html
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=151184
So it was *all* Edge's fault. And the reader, for assuming that people speaking about geeks and otaku are doing so in a negative way.
So it was *all* Edge's fault. And the reader, for assuming that people speaking about geeks and otaku are doing so in a negative way.
An apology.
Not that it'll improve the situation: Most of the people getting up in arms about this - including Jaffe - couldn't give a shit about Nintendo or the Wii in the first place, I'd imagine. It just became an easy missive to bitch at them about.
EDIT: Mind you, the 'situation' I'm commenting on isn't Wii storage. Of course the owners of the Wii who frequent this site would likely want more storage of the thing, but the aggressiveness of people jumping on this comment - which was likely the guy just teasing in the first place, even if it was stupid to do so - to attack the company has been ridiculous.
Not that it'll improve the situation: Most of the people getting up in arms about this - including Jaffe - couldn't give a shit about Nintendo or the Wii in the first place, I'd imagine. It just became an easy missive to bitch at them about.
EDIT: Mind you, the 'situation' I'm commenting on isn't Wii storage. Of course the owners of the Wii who frequent this site would likely want more storage of the thing, but the aggressiveness of people jumping on this comment - which was likely the guy just teasing in the first place, even if it was stupid to do so - to attack the company has been ridiculous.
It seems that many people on this forum equate "giving a shit about Nintendo" to supporting them through every ass-backwards decision they've made over this generation just because of high NPD numbers. And their storage "solution" is definitely one of these decisions.Vinci said:
And yeah, I own a Wii. And yeah, I stopped purchasing VC/WiiWare games because of the storage problem.
epmode said:
Did I say, at any point, that it's unreasonable to want more storage for the system or that Nintendo wasn't making a mistake in failing to provide one? Please find a quote from me stating that. I support Nintendo because they make games that I like to play, and they've successfully brought this to people (namely family and friends) that before couldn't have given a shit about it. So they've done a LOT right and some things wrong. I don't support them because NPD tells me to; the NPD numbers simply reflect what they've done right.
Visualante
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Perhaps someone needs to sit Mr Jaffe down and explain Laurent Fischer is a man. :lol
Metal Gear?!
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It doesn't matter if your customers are whiny pussies, your job is to satisfy them. If they have been "spoiled" by the copious storage space or user-expandable storage of your competitors (whether other consoles or the PC) then you had better do something about it.pvpness said:
Your attitude is the equivalent of a train company complaining about how everyone is a whiny pussy because they expect to be able to fly across the country in a day now that airplane travel has caught on.
jts
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I use it... but i don't save any picture on the Wii. I like its slideshow and video playback, recently when my folks came back from Paris, i just popped the SD card out of their camera into the Wii et voila. Magnifique laughs while sitting around the TV on confy couches.The Blue Jihad said:
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
Captain Chaos said:
Since I didn't have a launch Wii, all that I have to go off of is this video from IGN. In it, Matt received a dev kit from some kind developer and demonstrated loading Wii and GCN discs, and then showed the channel interface. Four pages (See 1:43-1:51, specifically). Keep in mind that this video was posted November 1, 2006--nearly three weeks before the system launched. So, even if your launch Wii did initially have "hundreds of empty channels," there's evidence that Nintendo always intended to limit the number of channels available.
Version 3.0
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Captain Chaos said:
My friend and I both thought the same...well, not that we had "hundreds" of channels, but more than we have now. I remember counting up the channels by 12's (12 per page) and coming up with a high 2-digit number (presumably 96, maybe 84), and thinking "okay, there are almost 100 channels". My friend swears there were 6 pages, which would be only 72 channels. Either way, we were convinced it was more than the 4 we have now.
It's tough to hold to, though: someone would've noticed. Every tiny firmware change has been brought to light and discussed to death.
A Link to the Past
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DreD said:
A statement made a long while ago that has resulted in a whopping "nothing".
Call me when Iwata DOES something about it.
A Link to the Snitch said:
Let's say he IS doing something about it: How quickly do you truly imagine they'd have something ready? It's not like they're going to open up the Wii entirely, which means they're going to have to do some R&D before anything goes live. They have their reasons for being conservative and careful on this issue: Nintendo doesn't ordinarily strike me as a company that pisses away money.
perfectchaos007
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I'm a casual gamer and only have 72 blocks of Wii memory left. I'm not a geek or otaku.
Re-posted from the other NoE bashing thread:
So they've confirmed no HDD, and play-from-SD still seems unlikely due to speed/piracy issues.
Which still leaves the option of a new 'my games' channel, where:
- you can quickly peruse all your games as though they were on your system, by genre/name/recently added
- you can select to download one to your menu straight away without opening the store
- if you haven't got the space for your download, you can remove channels from within the 'my games' channel (it could even suggest which games would give you the most room)
- you can set a minimum number of free blocks to leave and have it warn you when you're under your desired lower limit
- you can set age limits on your games, and have the Wii Menu delete games you haven't played in a fixed time of your choosing.
That's my preferred method (as a user who is happy to delete stuff they don't use). Don't hate at me! Storing online is the future!
So they've confirmed no HDD, and play-from-SD still seems unlikely due to speed/piracy issues.
Which still leaves the option of a new 'my games' channel, where:
- you can quickly peruse all your games as though they were on your system, by genre/name/recently added
- you can select to download one to your menu straight away without opening the store
- if you haven't got the space for your download, you can remove channels from within the 'my games' channel (it could even suggest which games would give you the most room)
- you can set a minimum number of free blocks to leave and have it warn you when you're under your desired lower limit
- you can set age limits on your games, and have the Wii Menu delete games you haven't played in a fixed time of your choosing.
That's my preferred method (as a user who is happy to delete stuff they don't use). Don't hate at me! Storing online is the future!
Cosmonaut X
Member
swerve said:
While I could see that being considered for WiiWare/VC games (perhaps even just using some kind of Channel placeholder that - when started - triggered an auto download, so you could see all of your games etc. on the main menu) I can't see it being workable for other Channels.
If I want to see what competitions are on in MK, do a quick body test or browse through the latest DS demos, I don't think download-on-demand would work adequately. Assuming that, and given the sizes of the current range of Channels:
Everybody Votes - 61
Internet - 291
Mii Contest - 93
Nintendo Channel - 253
Mario Kart - 86
Wii Fit - 106
Total - 890 blocks
...a workable solution for local storage and execution of Channels is a must if Nintendo want to keep on expanding what Channels are on offer (Animal Crossing Channel, anyone?)
Napoleonthechimp
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I've only started getting back to playing my Wii but I can see the storage thing becoming an issue pretty quickly.
Version 3.0
Member
swerve said:
That's fine, too. More storage is preferable, but a well-designed method of managing space is a reasonable alternative. Even the simple ability to delete and re-download right from the main menu would be a nice improvement...of course, the 're-download' option would require a placeholder, which means either more channel slots or some kind of tiered organization--both long overdue aside from space issues anyway.
swerve said:
That's basically my "Whipeboard Channel" I had before the HDD talk in where there's a new Channel that looks directly into your SD card and manages the Channels on it offering "one-click" access much faster/easier than doing it through the regular data management menu's. Basically you open the Channel, you look on your SD card and see what game you wanna play, click it and the Channel is decrypted and copied to the internal memory a few moments later, then the system resets and you just select that newly transfered Channel. The "whipeboard" in this case would be an alotted portion of the internal memory that's partitioned for the transfered Channel to be saved to.
Problem still being...
Cosmonaut X said:
Nintendo has said several times they plan on making more Channels which means a "whipeboard" solution would only be temporary. But who knows, Nintendo may see it as so much "better" that way that they'll insist that that's the "solution", much like they're still saying the "fridge" method is a solution. Eventually though, with things like Animal Crossing and potential MMO's and DLC, Nintendo's gonna have to do more...even more than a placeholder "whipeboard" Channel deal.
He says no HDD (but he may be wrong)...let's suppose he's telling the truth and they're doing something other than a HDD...it's either a half-assed upgrade from "fridge" to "whipeboard" or maybe just MAYBE they are finally gonna open up SD cards with an "SD Channel" or something. After all, the rumor around was that Nintendo had the fix to stop the TP hack months ago but that they only waited until *now* to release it? We also know, thanks to homebrew, that the Wii can access Channels dirrectly from an outside source (SD or USB HDD), but at this time Nintendo hasn't allowed it themselves...maybe they will allow it eventually which really would solve the problem and be a true solution. Maybe they're waiting for the hackers to exploit a new hack (Smash is next right) and then BAM Nintendo stops that one and add's the SD Channel for direct access to Channels on SD?
perfectchaos007
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?blu said:
Considering my favorite games are Mario Kart, Wii Sports, and Super Monkey ball...I consider myself a casual gamer. I also don't like Zelda, Final Fantasy, and Metroid games. Hunters for the DS was okay though, but I never had the desire to beat the one on Wii. ( I got half way through it and quit, its still on my shelf ) My most highly anticipated game is the new Animal Crossing on Wii.
So just because I downloaded a bunch of Mario games on VC doesn't mean I'm a hardcore gamer. I'm a very casual gamer, that has just ran out of console memory.
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Vilix
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One thing I was thinking about after hearing Nintendo Voice Chat tease that Nintendo is planning an 'unorthodox' solution for the storage issues:
(1) Say that they add two new channels to the Wii Menu: VC Games & Wii Ware. Instead of having separate channels for each game, they're contained within folders inside each of those.
(2) Others have talked about the system helping you when you're downloading something by telling you that you don't have enough space and allowing you to delete a game via that interface rather than having to go back to the Wii's memory and do it there. That would work fine for what I'm thinking.
(3) Now, imagine you ARE going to delete a game to free up space: What if, as you delete it, a window popped up and asked, "Would you like Nintendo to save your data for this game remotely?" If it's something like MLAAK or whatever, then you might want them to and would say 'yes.' For something like Super Mario Bros, obviously it's less of an issue and you could say 'no.'
(4) Once you've deleted the game, it's still listed in your VC Games or Wii Ware Channels and you could have the system redownload it immediately from there without visiting the Shop Channel. For save games that you had Nintendo remotely store, they would be automatically put back onto your system and you could return to where you left off.
Is it the solution that gamers would want? No, not really. But what it does is put more control in Nintendo's hands, something they love. For you to be able to do it, you'd have to freely share data on your system with Nintendo, meaning that it could potentially help them crack down on piracy or homebrew or whatever the hell they feel like targeting. It would also address the customers most in need of a storage solution: the high-end casual / hardcore gamer that likely has access to the internet anyway. If people choose not to update to get this functionality, it tells Nintendo how much of their customer base is likely using applications that haven't been approved by them.
If this isn't feasible, please tell me. It's just something I started considering based on how they prefer to offer options but without actually putting themselves at risk from opening up the Wii.
(1) Say that they add two new channels to the Wii Menu: VC Games & Wii Ware. Instead of having separate channels for each game, they're contained within folders inside each of those.
(2) Others have talked about the system helping you when you're downloading something by telling you that you don't have enough space and allowing you to delete a game via that interface rather than having to go back to the Wii's memory and do it there. That would work fine for what I'm thinking.
(3) Now, imagine you ARE going to delete a game to free up space: What if, as you delete it, a window popped up and asked, "Would you like Nintendo to save your data for this game remotely?" If it's something like MLAAK or whatever, then you might want them to and would say 'yes.' For something like Super Mario Bros, obviously it's less of an issue and you could say 'no.'
(4) Once you've deleted the game, it's still listed in your VC Games or Wii Ware Channels and you could have the system redownload it immediately from there without visiting the Shop Channel. For save games that you had Nintendo remotely store, they would be automatically put back onto your system and you could return to where you left off.
Is it the solution that gamers would want? No, not really. But what it does is put more control in Nintendo's hands, something they love. For you to be able to do it, you'd have to freely share data on your system with Nintendo, meaning that it could potentially help them crack down on piracy or homebrew or whatever the hell they feel like targeting. It would also address the customers most in need of a storage solution: the high-end casual / hardcore gamer that likely has access to the internet anyway. If people choose not to update to get this functionality, it tells Nintendo how much of their customer base is likely using applications that haven't been approved by them.
If this isn't feasible, please tell me. It's just something I started considering based on how they prefer to offer options but without actually putting themselves at risk from opening up the Wii.
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