Escape Goat
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Like I said these people are not good at governing. Healthcare should have sailed through with Republican majorities but its wasted an entire year.
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No Vote Will Be Held on Graham Cassidy Bill
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Like I said these people are not good at governing. Healthcare should have sailed through with Republican majorities but its wasted an entire year.
A couple weeks give or take
Randolph Freelander
Member
It was in the post?
Republican voters want ACA gone. The details of repeal efforts, they're certainly not as enthusiastic about, but far more are for than against, as in the case of Graham-Cassidy. They've been lied to for 8 years, they've believed those lies, and they still do. They want it gone. Republicans will try this again in 2018 and for as long as they hold majorities in both chambers of Congress, provided none of their repeal efforts actually succeed.
If they ever lose a majority and/or the Presidency, they'll go back to their favorite pastime of passing a repeal bill at least once per week because they know they won't actually have to suffer the consequences of it becoming law.
I don't think they would try to push it through during an election year but I could be wrong. If the Dems don't win a majority in the House or Senate in 2018 I am pretty sure they will go ahead and pass something like this in 2019.
He's DOA so he has nothing to lose
Oh. So that's what that pile of hamburger used to be.
Don Qixote will get that dragon someday soon.
they wana cry cause they know the kochman bros arent gonna pay out anymore.
SolarPowered
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B-b-but I thought Bernie's horrible argument for single payer healthcare at the CNN debate only helped Republicans during the CNN debate.
/snickers
/snickers
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Who said that? I was in that thread as the debate was happening. Seemed pretty solidly behind Sanders performance from what I saw.
fredrancour
Member
When the debate was announced, people were worried bernie would go off-topic to talk about single-payer exclusively at the expense of time to critique the G-C and defend the ACA and scare america away with socialism.
Queen Vulpix
Member
As a recipient of medicare and someone who directly benefited/still benefits from the expansion kicking in in 2014 I'll enjoy the few weeks of non stressful/non sleep loss nights this gives me until they try it again despite whatever the rules say.
LudicrousSpeed
Member
They might make some noise about some proposals, but they're not going to have anything serious enough to get towards a vote.
In 5 days they lose the ability to pass this thing with 50 votes in the Senate. At that point, they have 4 options:
1) Sabre-rattle about reform knowing they won't get anywhere with the Senate having a 60 vote threshold.
2) Go silent on health care because it's seriously unpopular with the general election audience and they have zero chance of passing the Senate.
3) Risk pissing off the business community to use the reconciliation instructions on health care reform again and give up even the appearance they're going to do tax cuts.
4) Try to shoot the moon by writing new reconciliation instructions that include both tax cuts and health care, requiring them to write a single omnibus bill that is both ACA repeal and tax cuts simultaneously. This would seriously imperil their ability to do tax cuts because that bill inherits the same problems that stopped them from being able to do health care reform on top of questions about how they do tax cuts.
Frozenprince
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It'll be going on 10 months now.
What has the GOP controlled ENTIRE GOVERNMENT managed to accomplish on the federal level?
At all? Not just major bills, I'm talking literally anything of moderate note what so ever.
This is pitiful, our federal government is all but insolvent and we're not even a full fucking year into this thing.
What has the GOP controlled ENTIRE GOVERNMENT managed to accomplish on the federal level?
At all? Not just major bills, I'm talking literally anything of moderate note what so ever.
This is pitiful, our federal government is all but insolvent and we're not even a full fucking year into this thing.
Randolph Freelander
Member
They can do both separately. They can do one reconciliation bill per year per topic, and revenues and spending are separate topics. The challenge would be doing an ACA repeal that could be construed as impacting only spending, which I understand to be difficult and perhaps ultimately impossible.
The other thing, which is what they wanted to do this year, was quickly get repeal done, and then write a budget resolution that reopens reconciliation for tax cuts.
Either way, they're not going to shut up about ACA repeal, even if it goes nowhere, as we all hope.
LudicrousSpeed
Member
There's basically no way to do an ACA repeal bill that would be spending-only, especially since one of the major draws of doing an ACA repeal is to end the taxes on the wealthiest people. That's why any attempt to draw up reconciliation instructions that include both topics would ultimately mean they have to do 1 single bill that is both tax cuts and ACA repeal.
They might sabre-rattle about ACA repeal, but once we get past 9/30, their ability to actually enact anything goes to basically zero, which is the most important thing.
Until next year?
Earthstrike
Member
Yep, Next year it is harder to repeal though. It's another year of people getting used to obamacare and it's the year before (during) midterm elections, which means it will have to be even fresher in people's minds than if they repealed now.
Muppet of a Man
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What is amazing is that in this day and age of the internet we are able to collectively sift very quickly through the hot garbage they write in the name of saving millions/billions for rich people and screwing minorities, the poor, and the working and middle classes over. It's like we can see their bullshit telegraphed from a million miles away now, and it is super easy call them on it with the pooled resources of the masses and the media.
LudicrousSpeed
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They won't do anything until after the general election, because there's zero chance they could act before primary season next year and the general election base will come out strong against them for trying to do that shit. (If I'm not mistaken, the earliest they could file new reconcilation instructions for FY2019 budget is going to be 10/1/2018, but I could be wrong on that.)
You might have to watch out for them trying to rush and do something in the lame duck session, but there's not much time there. After the lame duck, you'll have the 116th Congress, made up from the changes from the 2018 election.
Brock Reiher
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Look teach, I finished your assignment. I'll probably be able to write 20 more pages, just not by the end of the week.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
I don't under stand.. how do you have enough but not enough?
Dead Prince
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I hope he doesn't get to test the 280 character limit on Twitter
Ravensmash
Member
That tweet makes no sense.
What.
What.
He technically has enough to vote for the bill if he can get 51 votes (I also think just 50 plus the VP breaking the tie), but that requires the GOP to break the filibuster which they will never do because they aren't stupid enough to give the Democrats such power knowing that the tides will eventually turn. Neither party wants to risk busting the filibuster.
So enough but not enough without changing the rules. Got it.
BoogieWoogie
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I'm sure the Koch bros are going to be super happy with that reasoning Donald.
Saint Gregory
Member
OK, I can't even parse that first Tweet but why is he going on about filibuster rules and 60 votes when the Republicans can't seem to get to 50?
ThanksVision
Member
can someone explain the situation--after friday's (now not happening) vote they will need 60 votes to pass a bill like this? i remember reading that if the bill fails this year it will be much harder for the GOP to pass it, can anyone elaborate on it?
hodayathink
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The Senate deadline for passing this as budget reconciliation for the budget they need to pass this year (which is the process they are using so that they only need 50 votes instead of 60) is this Friday. After that, if they want to pass it, they, in theory, need to pass it as a bill, which would need 60 votes to pass (well, technically, it needs 60 to not be filibustered, but it's the same difference).
What might/can happen, though, is that they try to do this again as budget reconciliation, but for the budget they are going to pass next year instead of this year.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
I would be really psyched right now, but you know these idiots will keep pressing the issue until they get voted out.
RPGCrazied
Member
Who exactly is in the hospital? lol, what a dumb fuck.
And Collins was never a yes.
And Collins was never a yes.
They could also:
5) Use the nuclear option to remove the filibuster on legislation. An unlikely proposition, given they know it benefits them far more than democrats.
6) Override or remove the senate parliamentarian. She serves at McConnell's pleasure, and may be overridden by Pence so it would be a rather trivial thing and not cost the, the nuclear option while doing so.
Both would be a move away from regular "rules of order", and certainly wouldn't make McCain (or many of the public) happy. But it would be a way to fulfill their promise, and if they get desperate enough, they may do one of the two. If I had to guess, I'd say 6, as the parliamentarian has been overridden before in the 70's. There's more of a precedent for the move.
Pyroclastic
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Bernie sucked against ted Cruz but was OK the other night
Dotard, indeed. Stupid fuckface. What the fuck is he even saying?
hodayathink
Member
In theory, he's saying they could/can flip Murkowski (as she hasn't actually said anything) and Paul/Cruz (who we generally know would fold if they had the votes for 50), but not by Friday. Don't know who is in the hospital, though.
BronsonLee
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Brawly Likes to Brawl
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He makes the best deals!
BackLogJoe
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You guys don't think theyll break the filibuster? If they don't they won't get that sweet sweet Koch money. Once they get that windfall, they will just not run again. They won't care what the future Dems can do.
I predict they bust the filibuster.
I predict they bust the filibuster.
balladofwindfishes
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There's no indication this is even an option being considered, and they've been specifically designing the bills so that they can pass with only 50 votes.
If they planned on ending the filibuster, they'd start early so they could design a bill that didn't care about budget restrictions.
BoogieWoogie
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They know that this would be suicide for when the Democrats get back into power.
It's easy to give people entitlements, its way more difficult, as we've seen, to strip them away.
No chance