hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Please continue to regale us with analogies so we all start giving a shit about people playing 11-year-old WoW content for free.
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Nostalrius Players begin a suicide pilgrimage from Orgrimmar to Thunderbluff
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Please continue to regale us with analogies so we all start giving a shit about people playing 11-year-old WoW content for free.
Seems to be hosted in Russia, they are probably safer there.
Yep. Asked/looked before I linked it here for that reason.
TheDangerMan
Member
Oh I'm sure they are very very good, this seems like no small undertaking.
My question was really more about why it's so complicated for Blizzard to offer a similar service since many people, including Blizzard themselves, have stated that it's not as simple a task as it seems like to a layman such as me. I'm genuinely curious as to why that is
Jagex released Old School RuneScape a few years ago after a LOT of people quit due to the original game's combat being completely overhauled ("Evolution of Combat") and to play on it you needed to pay the same membership fee (paying for RS3's membership allows you to play OSRS, though last year they made a portion of the game f2p).
Want to know how many concurrent players OSRS gets? Almost as much as RS3. Every night you'll see 45-50k people playing Old School and 60-70k playing RS3.
I can guarantee that the majority of OSRS players gladly played the fee to become a member, just to play the game they once loved. Those people do not like RS3 at all, and would never have spent money to play a game if it wasn't offered.
Blizzard could just as easily make "Old School" servers and I'll bet they could make bank off of it. Just make people pay the same subscription fee as the main game, and make the sub allow you to play both OS and main WoW.
Want to know how many concurrent players OSRS gets? Almost as much as RS3. Every night you'll see 45-50k people playing Old School and 60-70k playing RS3.
I can guarantee that the majority of OSRS players gladly played the fee to become a member, just to play the game they once loved. Those people do not like RS3 at all, and would never have spent money to play a game if it wasn't offered.
Blizzard could just as easily make "Old School" servers and I'll bet they could make bank off of it. Just make people pay the same subscription fee as the main game, and make the sub allow you to play both OS and main WoW.
Corronchilejano
Member
You reverse engineered the recipe but people had to bring their own McDonald's plates... which you gave a recipe to print anyway... ?
Awful analogies
Blizzard's standard of quality is probably higher than the Nostralius guys. How well does/did Nost run? How buggy is/was it compared to the proper game?
I said this myself in the main WoW thread. I don't see it not happening at some point, but everyone else there seemed to think otherwise...
cpp_is_king
Member
What are you even talking about? LMAO. They have all day breakfast dude, who the fuck is going to buy a McRib?
Chie Satonaka
Member
You really aren't.
Opinions are subjective, but I've been playing MMOs since Vanilla EQ, and thought Vanilla WoW was garbage.
I don't think anyone disagrees they have a legal standpoint.
What is it about these types of threads that bring out everyone that's like "Well they're within their rights!" like they're posting some revelation?
No shit. Everyone understands this. Just like the Westboro Baptist Church are within their rights to picket the funerals of dead soldiers. I'm still going to call them a bunch of twats for doing so.
Omfg im so fvcking in.
Tbc is best era. I hope this is the patch after they fixed the rediculous hitting mobs though that basically 2 shots you in 1 sec.
Strife In a Teacup
Member
No, instead I go home and make a Morningstar Veggie Riblet instead, which are superior.
Well... they are under the impression that they know what we want, but they are the ones that made WoD.
They also said (AFAIR) that they don't have the source code anymore.
Anyways: not all chose suicide!
Am I supposed to quote page 1/2 saying "I don't see a problem with this because it's an old build I can't play"?
Is easily my favourite quote this time around. Entitled kids. Yeah, believe it or not, you have no right to play WoW if Blizzard no longer offers it.
Clockwork5
Member
A free server isn't impacting subscriptions? That's a new one.
If they bought World of Warcraft, I'd argue they aren't pirates just for playing on an unofficial server.
Just because people don't have a problem with this doesn't mean they don't understand the legal standings. Surprisingly, not everyone in the world is 100 percent on board with every law on the planet.
Like those college kids that got fined 100 grand for pirating some music. It got the ISP and music labels a lot of bad press because while people know pirating music isn't legal, they knew also that it was a over the top response.
TheDangerMan
Member
I can't say, I never tried it. I will say that in the screenshots and videos I've seen of it it they have way, way more players in single zones such a Ironforge/Org than I've ever seen in one place it WoW. It's quite impressive.
A free server of a version of the game that cannot be paid to play. I'll bet that most of Nostalrius' players will not pay to play the current version of the game that they don't like.
I'm more of a WotLK person myself.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Lmao truth.
Well considering that there have been people crying out for a vanilla server to some degree since TBC I'm also pretty convinced they have had many discussions involving classic servers. Blizzard are generally pretty good about listening to their customers but in this case it seems like it just wouldn't be worth the cost.
Shut up and refresh my BoK.
Oh man I loved killing Paladins in vanilla. They always used a bubble, for some reason they wanted to delay the inevitable.
A free server of something that can't be subscribed to anymore? No, it isn't impacting shit for the most part. By that metric, they'd be shutting down all the private servers that have more up-to-date content.
Just like one post above you. I've tried to explain to that guy that you've never bought the rights to play a offline version of WoW whenver you want to for a good hour yesterday. And he's showing perfect ignorace because he simply doesn't like the truth and the ToS he's agreed to after installing and playing the game. And no, this is not a case of "they don't mean anything" and yabba dabba do.
Nost peak times where ~12k players, original classic was ~3-5k (if I recall correct).
The scripting was "blizzlike", but not perfect and there where many small bugs.
All in all it was quite amazing and unbelievable that they pulled that off.
Man, you can just tell the "b-but blizzard's tos" "b-but it's piracy" people were the kids who always threatened to tell the teacher when the smallest shit came up.
Anyway, the pics in the OP were clearly converted with that old TGA conversion tool with the "adjust brightness" option left checked, which is itself an amusing little piece of vanilla nostalgia.
Anyway, the pics in the OP were clearly converted with that old TGA conversion tool with the "adjust brightness" option left checked, which is itself an amusing little piece of vanilla nostalgia.
Coriolanus
Banned
How did you stop the hearth?
saddest thing was seeing two pallies try to defeat each other in a duel.
They weren't.
Zomba13
Member
Just want to fix this a bit for it to make even a tiny bit of sense.
Because it's using Blizzards "ingredients" (assets and code) but in their "kitchen" (private server).
Beerman462
Member
I'm trying to figure out why some posters are so adamantly against the vanilla server to the point of getting angry about it? Do you play current WoW and some how feel that these player are lost subs that could make current WoW great again? Wouldn't these people find a private server running the current server build. I'm assuming they exist.
I'm trying to figure it out too. The server isn't really hurting anyone. Its amazing how people get so angry over a game server that has been dated by ten years because people rather play the version of the game they enjoyed most, and not what Blizzard is trying to shove down everyone's throats.
NHarmonic.
Member
lol, what is this analogy.
SugarDaddy
Member
It aint piracy if blizzard chooses not to support vanilla servers that's on them.. it's not like these people are playing on this server strictly because they don't want to pay.. they want a vanilla experience that blizzard refuses to offer..
This is more closely related to roms/emulators at this point, since if blizzard wanted to they could launch a fucking vanilla server anytime,,, I don't understand the vehement defense some of you guys seem to have, the majority of these people are not going to resubscribe simply because this server went down. But if blizzard had a scrap of interest in perserving a community dedicated to their game, well perhaps they'd get an additional 150k subscribers...
This is more closely related to roms/emulators at this point, since if blizzard wanted to they could launch a fucking vanilla server anytime,,, I don't understand the vehement defense some of you guys seem to have, the majority of these people are not going to resubscribe simply because this server went down. But if blizzard had a scrap of interest in perserving a community dedicated to their game, well perhaps they'd get an additional 150k subscribers...
Beerman462
Member
I guess this one got too popular.
"We have to send a message to these entitled kids"-
I won the roll for pristine hide of the beast.
I sold it for 1k G and made an Arcanite Reaper and Lionheart Helm.
I never got a single piece of Might and still got rocked in PvP.
Might sucked for PvP anyway. Although I rocked the Crown of Destruction from Rag over LH because of the stamina. Made a lot of Hunters and enhance Shaman upset me having that.
A bubble hearth was a victory to me.
Beerman462
Member
I know there is an old quote saying they are against it, but maybe they changed their minds and are going to start progression servers. I would resubscribe for that.
Caffeine
Member
they wont they will just go find another server lol
Lol no way they think that. The only reasons people were playing on Nostalrius (or any private servers for that matter) is :
1) It's free
and/or
2) It's not current WoW.
They sure as hell ain't gonna go to current WoW with a paid sub.
Tag worthy 😂
Shotgun Kiss
Member
There's nothing wrong with the McDonalds analogy; it's perfectly apt. The "kitchen" is the WoW engine and assets. You don't get to help yourself and put together a version you prefer.
It's shitty that there's no official way of playing Vanilla WoW, but you're not entitled to it. Also, there's no question that some of the people who play Nostalrius may otherwise be paying Blizzard to play WoW if they weren't instead playing this for free. You can argue all you want about how small that number of people is, but it doesn't matter. If Nostalrius costs WoW even one subscriber, then that's lost revenue. Lost revenue due to IP theft, I might add.
And who's to say Blizzard will never revive vanilla WoW in future? Nostalrius would kill any chance of that. And if it did happen at some point in the future, the existence of Nostalrius now would hurt it, as people will have already had their nostalgia kick, and will have no reason to subscribe. Somebody earlier in this thread praised Jagex for RuneScape Classic, but it was years before that was brought back. Do you think they willingly let people run their own private servers during that gap? Of course they didn't.
But apparently IP theft and revenue theft (be it current, or destroying the financial viability of future possibilities) are things a company should just overlook, otherwise they're the bad guys.
I don't begrudge anybody for playing Nostalrius at all. Hell, I may have considered it had I known of it. But there's a clear line between what you want and what you're entitled to. If I had been playing Nostalrius, then I'd have done so with the understanding that Blizzard could pull the plug at any time.
It's shitty that there's no official way of playing Vanilla WoW, but you're not entitled to it. Also, there's no question that some of the people who play Nostalrius may otherwise be paying Blizzard to play WoW if they weren't instead playing this for free. You can argue all you want about how small that number of people is, but it doesn't matter. If Nostalrius costs WoW even one subscriber, then that's lost revenue. Lost revenue due to IP theft, I might add.
And who's to say Blizzard will never revive vanilla WoW in future? Nostalrius would kill any chance of that. And if it did happen at some point in the future, the existence of Nostalrius now would hurt it, as people will have already had their nostalgia kick, and will have no reason to subscribe. Somebody earlier in this thread praised Jagex for RuneScape Classic, but it was years before that was brought back. Do you think they willingly let people run their own private servers during that gap? Of course they didn't.
But apparently IP theft and revenue theft (be it current, or destroying the financial viability of future possibilities) are things a company should just overlook, otherwise they're the bad guys.
I don't begrudge anybody for playing Nostalrius at all. Hell, I may have considered it had I known of it. But there's a clear line between what you want and what you're entitled to. If I had been playing Nostalrius, then I'd have done so with the understanding that Blizzard could pull the plug at any time.