Welfare
Member
The numbers he's posted for the past few months include digital. Also seeing Mat's comment, either Harker is personally estimating digital sales and posting that or he has data outside of NPD to get that 450K total.
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NPD Sales Results For April 2017 [Up: Sony and Microsoft now sharing digital numbers]
The numbers he's posted for the past few months include digital. Also seeing Mat's comment, either Harker is personally estimating digital sales and posting that or he has data outside of NPD to get that 450K total.
SinCityAssassin
Member
I just meant it was lower.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
You rarely see JRPG's release during the holiday but XCX opening along with LTD not changing much (alongside mediocre Japanese sales) resulted in that.
Evidently Persona 5 is. And you're joking right? There have been and I'm sure will be several other Persona games coming (apart from P6). Furthermore that P4 -> P5 gap only happened due to engine troubles, to which Catherine was also released for.
Eh, FE:F and FE:A have LTDs < 2 million. Persona 5 is going to surpass both pretty easily.
Most recent Paper Mario and Mario RPG sold < 2million as well.
Maybe the two might not be contradicting each other:
Perhaps Harker was saying its near 450k, while Matt confirmed its less than 450k?
We've got the Persona team working on a completely new IP now. Who knows how far off P6 is, or hell, even the usual upgraded version of the current game.
Persona 5 did great, no mistake about that all. I'm just saying that expecting Persona to become the new Elder Scrolls because of that is a bit foolish.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Dude no one said. Stop exaggerating. P5 has simply reached closer to KH/FF than any other traditional JRPG has in a long time.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
There's farrrrrrr more games announced for Xbox and PS4 on a daily basis.
Western stuff? Sure. Eastern stuff? Not so much.
When a huge number of those are ports of games that are already released, it's not hard to see the reason.
how is kingdom hearts a traditional jrpg
also not sure what your beef with pokemon is.
Pokemon is not considered a jrpg series by some console warriors for some reasons
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Pokemon for all intents and instances is the biggest JRPG series on the planet. Anyone who says otherwise is just a person with an axe to grind
hanspampel
Banned
And the whole general / casual gaming crowd.
Pokemom is Pokemon.
Many also don't put souls games in the cassic jrpg genre. That has nothing to do with being a console warrior. Just different perception and defintion of JRPGS
I'm now sort of interested in EA's position to put ME on ice when Andromeda is still the number 5 selling title of the year despite negative reviews and a stronger than average first qtr. I never thought the franchise itself was in danger of dying, more that if Andromeda was going to be the series of this generation, now it was in serious doubt. I guess even despite the sales, it didn't hit what they expected and whatever tail they hoped it would have was killed by the negative WOM
Do you think things are going to get better or worse for Japanese releases in the next few years for Switch? Do you think things are going to get better or worse for Xbox One?
Welfare
Member
Pokemon is a JRPG. That's like saying Call of Duty isn't a FPS, it's just Call of Duty.
hanspampel
Banned
Fair enough. Doesn't change the fact many still don't put it in that category. No one is doing that for final fantasy or other "real" JRPGs
There is a reason this discussion exist. Seems like people don't agree on it.
Maybe JRPG itself is not a well defined genere as i never see a controversy about shooter, sport, racing, fighting, action or even WRPG games.
That's why i often make the distinction between classic JRPG and non classic / "western" JRPG.
Dark Cloud
Member
Many people forget about Nintendo when they talk about Japanese games and how so many are bad, yet they forget Nintendo is Japanese and how good they are. I guess the discussion exist for a reason if Nintendo is Japanese or not...
Poimandres
Member
That is a testament to Pokemons brand power.
In the same way GTA and COD clearly fit into certain genres, but the public thinks of them and talks about them by name instead of associating them with a particular genre. It doesn't mean they are outside of genre definitions, it just makes them the defining statement from their particular genre with the public at large.
Pokémon Sun and Moon shipped 10 million copies at launch and hit 15 million at the end of March.
Final Fantasy XV hit 6 million in shipments and digital sales by January.
Final Fantasy XV hit 6 million in shipments and digital sales by January.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Okay...? What I said is still correct.
QuantumZebra
Member
BLOPS 2 charting over IW on solely backwards compatibility is something that should go down in gaming history.
Also, wtf @ NES Classic
Nintendo y u do dis
Welfare
Member
Total for both is ~320K. http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=237499815
Context is important. For almost all the western stuff that gets announced for XB1 I can get it on PS4 or PC.
AdventureRacing
Member
Had there been a poll or something on this? How do you know what the 'general/casual' gamers view Pokemon as. In my experience people who fit that broad category don't really worry all that much about genres at all for Pokemon or any other game. It's only on forums like this we're this is even an issue so that's the only thing worth discussing.
How is souls a remotely similar situation? Pokemon is exactly like an old school JRPG. Souls is a totally different game.
I might actually buy that this argument was genuine if it wasn't being made by a poster with a pretty clear anti Nintendo pro Sony bias (not referring to you).
Ive seen this argument over many genres though it seems to target Nintendo games the most.
Mario kart - isn't a proper racing game
Smash bros - isn't a traditional fighting game
Wii sports - isn't a sports game it's a party game
There are plenty of other examples as well.
AdventureRacing
Member
Nintendonis always treated as this weird outlier for gaming sales. When discussing the strength of Japanese devs they aren't taken into account. Sales of of the wii don't count because casual gamers.
When it comes to discussing sales potential of various genres Nintendos sales are just outliers. When judging the sales potential of 2D and 3D platformers you have to ignore Nintendos games. When judging the sales potential of fighting games you have to ignore smash bros. When judging the sales potential of racers you have to ignore Mario kart. Nintendo seems to just be shoved into their own pile when it comes to many discussions.
It's ludicrous because Pokemon is as classic as you can get for a JRPG. It's far more of a classic JRPG than Kingdom Hearts, Tales, etc.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Indies? I'm not so sure about that. And indies are what I'm talking about.
E3 is going to be quite interesting in this regard.
SinCityAssassin
Member
It's too bad it's not a racing game because Mario Kart would've been "the all-time best-selling racing franchise in the U.S." said Mat.
OrbitalBeard
Member
This post is spot-on.
The fact that we're even entertaining the notion that Pokemon isn't a JRPG is absolutely hilarious.
hanspampel
Banned
Even tho this is an ironic post, it perfectly explains the situation
hodayathink
Member
I think it was either last year or two years ago that one of the insiders talked about the highest selling portable games at the time, and the DS Frozen game had outsold every Vita game for that time period (they basically said that 19 out of the top 20 games were 3DS, and it turned out the that the Frozen game was the non-3DS entry).
Wait, really? Is this sarcasm?
unapersson
Member
It's funny you should say that as I've never touched a Pokémon game as I simply assumed they were some kind of battle arena game with monsters you collect. Had no idea they were actually RPGs (with or without the J). Though part of the reason I've stay away is that I'd have no idea where to start, and all the Gold/Silver, Yellow/Red type stuff seems odd as well. Reminds me of all the coloured vinyl variations in the 80s to get singles to number one.
Anyway, veering off topic in a sales thread.
200k 1st month fir a JRPG in the US isn't a bomb unless it's FF/Pokémon.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
How is it not? Didn't include Souls either but I don't see some of you mentioning that?
Its pretty simple. They are JRPGs in a literal sense however there appeal is very different. If someone was to ask for JRPGs on the PS4, often they will be referring to stuff like FF, KH, Tales, Persona etc than Bloodborne or Nioh. You can say, wait those are all JRPGs, but the association of JRPG to linear, story driven and character focused adventures are undeniable and is the very reason the whole what is a JRPG discussion even arises. Its not going to change.
For a holiday month, if little change in the LTD and poor Japanese sales, it is a bomb.
but you still............. didn't reply about.............. that pokemon........... thing, but nvm <(")
We only got a ltd as to the first several months and at full price. And no digital iirc.
200k alone at US retail really isn't a bomb for a non FF/Pokémon JRPG though. No way around that.
...because pokemon is 10x bigger than Dark Souls and is the biggest JRPG, traditional or otherwise, pertaining to your OG comment of the "biggest JRPGs"
but sure Dark Souls can be thrown in too. So this month Persona took the elusive crown as the....6th biggest?
According to Christopher Dring Injustice 2 is up by 33% in the UK compared to the debut. It's also about 40% lower compared to MKX. Being close to MKX in the US is setting unrealistic expectations.
This is certainly true and I can certainly see Injustice doing over 500K I'm just unsure how much more it would do. I'd be blown away if Injustice 2 does more than 700K in the May NPD personally I expect it to be between 550-650K range.
hanspampel
Banned
No. The vita never really sold any meaningful software in the west.
That is the reason the platform was considered dead, even tho some hardware units were still sold.
The biggest argument for singling out Pokemon out of the genre is that there is no rpg series that would get a pass for two decades with basically no real story. More so when they've been reusing that shallow structure non stop, to the point that a few irrelevant changes on Sun&Moon are seen as a revolution.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Alright? You aren't really addressing what I said in the first place. The user said Nintendo looks to have better indie relations than MS, and that games lately have been announced for Switch/PS4/PC. I said that there's far more games announced for Xbox/PS4/PC than there are for Switch...
Yes, indies lol. Not sure what you are expecting from E3 to change that