makingmusic476
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True. And it could be their test case, choosing to throw out a single HD rerelease to test the waters before committing to others.
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NPD Sales Results for February 2015 [Nintendo Numbers, Majora's, MH4, ~XB1]
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True. And it could be their test case, choosing to throw out a single HD rerelease to test the waters before committing to others.
If that happens, then it likely means they will not move ahead with the XB1 version of KH3.
Oh man, by the time KH3 comes out, we're looking at ~30million WW gap between PS4 and XB1 lol
pharmboy044
Member
Abdiel/Shogun, not sure if you can mention anything but how is Bloodborne doing? It seems like people are pretty hyped for it but t could just be the echo chamber of GAF that's making it seem that way.
Thanks.
Thanks.
I can only guess that with games like Type - 0 and FFXV, they are trying to appeal to the western market as much as possible, which would mean creating both versions.
With remasters like FFX HD and KH HD I think they are trying to appeal mainly to either the people who originally played those games or to people who are more likely to play those types of games since there's a lot of them on PlayStation.
That still doesn't explain KH III on XB1, but I don't know what's really going on with that.
The major issue there is that you need to be constantly finding new contracts to survive, if there's a downturn in interest for whatever reason (sales being poor, major players leaving the market) it's going to lead to trouble. Obsidian was in a similar situation, and it only took one failed contract (with Microsoft backing out) to get them on the verge of bankruptcy.
Like FF15, I imagine these decisions were made before this gen even started.
Everybody assumed XB1 would be much more competitive (even a market leader in NA).
(salute) Retail associates unite under the GAF banner.
None of the advantages that MS had last gen at all carried across. Honestly, looking forward to Battlefront, to the next Mass Effect, and even at the coming Witcher 3... It's highly doubtful that XB1 will get a lead on *any* of those games. Witcher 3 is leading on PS4 preorders for us.
No, I haven't. Those invitations are almost always offered to managers/primary supervisors, titles I can't claim, haha. I'm hoping to go to PSX this year.
The Shogun
Banned
Yeah Kingdom Hearts is going to be interesting. It has zero presence on Xbox. No Kingdom Hearts game has ever been on the system. I can't expect the sales split on that title being good even remotely. Especially with Sony also leading in the West unlike last generation.
Final Fantasy makes sense at this point. It does have some sort of fan base on the console. It may not be huge but they are there. KH though has never been an Xbox title at any point.
Wasn't Final Fantasy XV PS4 exclusive at one point, and supposedly Square ditched the plan last minute (around E3 2013) and announced an Xbox One version?
I feel that firstly Sony has a chance to really dominate like PS2 again.
Secondly i agree that the game should be released when ready but a console generation is only 5 - 6 year and if Sony studios are taking more than 4 years for a single release then i feel they need to rethink their strategy or may be better spend their money on securing exclusive because in industry other independent studios are not taking more than 2 years to release a sequel or 3 years to release a brand new game on a new IP
Originally there was something in the works with that but things changed after Wada stepped down.
Pretty sure they could just do a 2 disc release.
Don't think SE is that stupid, it's essential if they follow through with a XB1 Kingdom Hearts III release.
makingmusic476
Member
I think Verendus said there was a possible deal between Sony and SE that got shelved right before E3, since Sony no longer felt they needed to lock it down as an exclusive.
Makes a lot more sense than SE being convinced by the reception of the XB1's announcement that May to go multiplat.
Does sacrificing potential Japanese sales matter for Platinum? Everything they touch bombs there.
Welfare
Member
It'd be stupid of them to have them PS4 exclusive but still make KH3 on the Xbox One.
Square might actually do it though lol
There's plenty of literature in estimation of demand and elasticities based on limited data like sales rankings.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1024634613982
http://www.jstor.org/stable/27645744?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
The sufficient condition for estimation is that the data is representative, not that only rankings are available.
I'm not arguing that I can do just as good as job as if I had the complete dataset; Only that the limited data available *is* informative.
Same deal here; The relevant information is how representative the sample is relative to the population. The market share, conditional on it being large enough for consistency, is irrelevant.
makingmusic476
Member
They bomb everywhere else as well. I'm pretty sure their Japanese sales still make up a notable (and presumably crucial) chunk of their overall sales.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
It might be contractual that they can't.
So FPS's pushed you onto Xbox but it's not fair if people buy Playstations for JRPGs? C'mon dude.
Sometimes you have to go where the games are instead of feeling entitled to a port that isn't guaranteed. Even up here in Canada you don't see Ouya owners petitioning for Bloodborne to come to our national console.
Yet that pesky 'J' in JRPG means the domestic market is the most important one. I mean Microsoft could still negotiate a deal to bring Persona 5 to Xbox in the west but they aren't interested in a niche audience that does little for them in sales. That money is better spent on Call of Duty DLC, Fast and the Furious, and the NFL.
PS don't worry about FF and KH3, there's definitely some kind of deal in place. I remember they even interrupted one of their live streams to remind people that Type-0 was also coming out on Xbox One.
Right. There's already FF14, FFX/X-2 and FFVII without Xbox versions.
Only the two that already had PC versions at launch. FFIX isn't.
The Shogun
Banned
Ah fair point there. Forgot about IX.
Still a lot of the work is being done right now for a FFX HD port on PC considering the PS4'S architecture is basically the exact same as a PC at this point.
If FFX doesn't come to PC then I gotta believe there is some sort of contract over the PS2 era SE games.
Didn't Sony financially bailout SquareSoft during the time period in which those games were planned/created?
Sony even owned sizable stocks after the SE merger.
I wouldn't be surprised is there's some contracts preventing the PS2 titles from being on anything other than PS consoles.
I completely agree. Whether it be official or not I don't know, but at this point it seems incredibly odd that the games aren't available on at least PC, seeing as SE loves to port Final Fantasy games over and over again.
Wouldn't surprise me if that particular case was complicated by Microsoft's cross-platform play policies, though.
Welfare
Member
Where'd I say it's not fair?
I've already said I'm getting a PS4 eventually.
And Bloodborne is a first party IP. Ouya wasn't going to get it to begin with
Yes, this is true, which is why I was saying that being an Xbox fan sucks in that regard. There is little interest in the Japanese market to MS.
They even offered MS a version with just PC and Xbox players and they turned it down.
Welfare
Member
The Shogun
Banned
Didn't they allow the previous FF MMO to have 360/PC cross-play? Or was that just a ploy to court Square into releasing FF13 on Xbox?
Yes, it's very popular on console.
That was an exception to allow FF on Xbox at the time.
I'm wondering how that would work. PC players have to choose which other version they want to play with? Transfer their characters to and from Playstation and Xbox servers?
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Only the two that already had PC versions originally. Still no Nine or Tactics (which you'd think would be fairly easy to make happen since there is an IOS and Android version of).
The Shogun
Banned
Yeah I was talking mainline and someone reminded me about IX.
Still find the PS2 era SE games strange how they have never appeared anywhere other than Playstation. The fact is currently FFX HD is the only major SE console game not coming to Xbox One
Kingdom Hearts 3
Type 0
FFXV
All announced or released for Xbox One. And yet no FFX. It's weird.
The latter.
They had still thought nicely of Japanese support at the time. And FF13 was SUPER HYPE. MS was afraid such an exclusive would make them loose mindshare over such an anticipated game, and so they were super placating at the time to SE in order to do whatever it took to get the game on their platform.
Of course now, they don't care
It's possible I misinterpreted your "This day and age I shouldn't even have to buy a specific console to play one genre" argument a wee bit, but it does seem like you think it's unfair.
Oh and I still think From Software should do the right thing by us Canadians...I mean considering Dark Souls on PC and the bill of rights and all.
wapplew
Member
There is a silver lining for JRPG support on Xbox one, the PC.
More and more Japanese games release on PC, MS just need to court them into Win10/DX12/Windows store, it should be easy port from Win10 to Xbox one.
Help them port their title into Xbox one like Sony do on Ultra SF4.
Even if they don't port it to Xbox one, as long as PS losing JRPG exclusive to the PC, its still a win for MS.
More and more Japanese games release on PC, MS just need to court them into Win10/DX12/Windows store, it should be easy port from Win10 to Xbox one.
Help them port their title into Xbox one like Sony do on Ultra SF4.
Even if they don't port it to Xbox one, as long as PS losing JRPG exclusive to the PC, its still a win for MS.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Tell me how that's a win, the game still wont come out for XB1.
Welfare
Member
I worded that wrong.
Today, I shouldn't have to worry about what platform I'm on to play a genre that is popular on consoles.
Now that I think about it, it does sound like I'm saying "it's not fair", but looking at some poor decisions and MS's lack of care, I can see it as fair.
But I shouldn't have to worry in the first place
wapplew
Member
Weaken the value of PS4? Now people no need to buy a PS4 to play JRPG, is a huge win for them.
Is PC really a direct competitor to consoles anymore? Judging by the way both Sony and MS have been acting towards the platform, we might be going in that direction.
It doesn't strengthen the value of the XBO either, the PS4 still comes out ahead. Also the selling power of Japanese games has diminished a lot since last generation, I doubt they care.
It's not really. They haven't announced any japanese releases for the Xbox since FFXV and KHII except Type-0 and the caviot there is it came with the FFXV demo so that seems the most obvious reason to release it. I honestly think they are waiting on Type-0 and FFXV numbers and then deciding whether it's worth it to keep supporting the Xbox.
Dual Blade
Member
I can't. Judging by the architecture it could be an easier port than PS3->360 which could turn a profit.
It's my opinion however and I can't see SE turning down a chance at profits.