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I like you.beelzebozo said:the good news is that this means the end of arguments over what system is better or more popular.
I like you.beelzebozo said:the good news is that this means the end of arguments over what system is better or more popular.
GarthVaderUK said:I believe these are accurate - I have determined this via a complex system that takes into account sales data rumours, percentages released via PR, Amazon bestseller lists, what's sellin' down at my local game store, and which hardware all my mates are buying.
beelzebozo said:the good news is that this means the end of arguments over what system is better or more popular.
Reginald P. Linux said:People in the industry will still have access to those numbers so they'll get the information they need. NPD numbers have nothing to do with anyone on this forum.
This is true. But then, one could easily connect the dots by how well the individual Move/Kinect titles are selling. Those would be classified as games.jkanownik said:You're assuming that Kinect and Move would be classified as software. This issue could just as easily been solved by classifying them as accessories, so they wouldn't be in the normal software reporting anyway.
Until a day where someone emerges as a direct competitor for NPD brokering deals with retailers that either undercut or coexist with the NPD agreements, we are now entering into a new era of FANBOY ANARCHY! A land where sales data does not exist and a game's popularity is based solely on its bought and paid for MetaCritic score.Jeels said:It's funny people actually think this will lessen the console war discussions somehow. If anything, the NPD provided some grounded truth to the console wars and thus limited the stupidity that tends to spread from fans of a specific console literally making stuff up to further their gains. If anything, things are going to become a lot more chaotic now.
kswiston said:Well they are handy in letting us know if we should get our hopes up for seeing sequels to a game we really enjoyed. Also, I can easily say the same thing about sports. That no one other than the athletes themselves and the people who own/manage professional teams should care about sports stats. Doesn't stop millions of people from caring.
Nobody actually thinks that.Jeels said:It's funny people actually think this will lessen the console war discussions somehow. If anything, the NPD provided some grounded truth to the console wars and thus limited the stupidity that tends to spread from fans of a specific console literally making stuff up to further their gains. If anything, things are going to become a lot more chaotic now.
You forgot to account for Walmart sales.Corto said:My numbers of September WW sales:
PS3 π
Xbox 360 :º)
Wii 500 Kg
PSP 2ml q4hrs. 7 days
DS 1/2
PSP Go LOL
Discuss.
EviLore said:
EviLore said:
Jeels said:It's funny people actually think this will lessen the console war discussions somehow. If anything, the NPD provided some grounded truth to the console wars and thus limited the stupidity that tends to spread from fans of a specific console literally making stuff up to further their gains. If anything, things are going to become a lot more chaotic now.
gofreak said:If a site can be banned for making up numbers I'm sure a poster can...
It's not like people are going to throw around numbers pulled from their ass as facts without people calling them out on it.
TouchMyBox said:Good riddance, you armchair analysts and jellybean counters have taken much of the fun out of gaming.
No, they'll disguise them as charming little nuggets of anecdotal data.gofreak said:If a site can be banned for making up numbers I'm sure a poster can...
It's not like people are going to throw around numbers pulled from their ass as facts without people calling them out on it.
TouchMyBox said:Good riddance, you armchair analysts and jellybean counters have taken much of the fun out of gaming.
Yep, just like those scientist assholes took all the fun out of the afterlife.TouchMyBox said:Good riddance, you armchair analysts and jellybean counters have taken much of the fun out of gaming.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lolbeelzebozo said:the good news is that this means the end of arguments over what system is better or more popular.
Segata Sanshiro said:Yep, just like those scientist assholes took all the fun out of the afterlife.
:lolSegata Sanshiro said:Yep, just like those scientist assholes took all the fun out of the afterlife.
SlipperySlope said:The kicker kicked a 55 yard field goal attempt with 3 seconds remaining to potentially win the game. Did it go in? According to some posters here, who cares! The only people who should care are the players. If you're not a player, you shouldn't care.
I don't get that line of thinking. Those people really should just gtfo of this thread.
Jeels said:How does this have any place in this thread.
Because it represents another situation where people try to drive empirical data away because it causes discomfort?Jeels said:How does this have any place in this thread.
Segata Sanshiro said:No, they'll disguise them as charming little nuggets of anecdotal data.
I would guess that this is the real reason. Both Microsoft and Sony are apparently betting heavily on their new motion systems to give them something like Wii levels of success with the casual market. My guess is, with this happening right before September NPD numbers, that the Move is not doing anything near what Sony was hoping for and they want to keep that quiet so investors don't get super jumpy. (I work at an electronics chain, and it didn't seem to me that the piles of Move stuff were going anywhere fast, despite the fact that we had a prominent playable display in the middle of the store. Could be mistaken.)iosef said:Which leads me to believe the real reason is...
2) A big customer demanded it. Market research businesses tend to have highly concentrated sales, i.e. a few large customers buy a ton of licenses and can account for a disproportionate share of revenue. These businesses are usually the largest vendors who use their customer status to influence what the market researcher publishes, because the market research announcement themselves influence other people's decisions who don't necessarily subscribe to NPD data (specifically, retailers). The version of this reading would be "MS/Sony don't want people to know that Kinect/Move bombed." Everyone will find out eventually, but with a three-month delay until those companies do financial reports, giving plenty of time to message to nervous retailers.
A different example, please ;_;gofreak said:Anecdotal data is a long way from 'vanquish sold 20k units' type claims though.
Reginald P. Linux said:If you buy a game and play a game and enjoy or hate a game, what do sales matter? People who need to know the information to make thier business decisions will still get that information. The sports analogy you've used just shows that some people only care about who "wins" and "loses" and not much about games themselves. Sales are just another piece of fanboy ammunition that gaming-age can do without.
Yeah. Sure. That is it since Kinect doesn't launch until November and this would have been the first full month that Move was on sale...Xilium said:Micro$oft obviously paid them off to hide the inevitable smackdown that Move and PS3 will be delivering to Kinnect and the 360 this holiday.
borghe said:we'll see. How I'm reading it is that if you are media, no numbers for you. If you read above, it says "hardware and software subscribers" meaning that if you are a hardware manufacturer/subscriber you can release numbers for your own products.
So it isn't really told if numbers are being released to anyone else beyond the publishers/manufacturers.
As for why anyone would still subscribe, because this is still the only way to get ANY data.. it's just now the data has become a lot less valuable.
and I agree with the conspiracy theories, though not necessarily that it was only MS. Bottom line is that NPD month in and month out devalues a lot of properties and IPs out there a lot more than they may otherwise be devalued without the pitiful sales reports to drag them down. Without NPD telling me, just from anecdotal evidence, I would strongly believe PS3 is in second place in the US just judging from most of the stores I see sales in.. Clearly that's not the case though. Is ignorance bliss? Maybe, but definitely more desirable than a shot to the nuts for some of these companies.probably was
You aren't using your imagination hard enough.gofreak said:Anecdotal data is a long way from 'vanquish sold 20k units' type claims though. Saying 'it didn't sell well in my store' isn't very helpful, but it's not a bare-faced made up claim about total sales.
I get the point about the vacuum of data leaving things all up in the air though.
Htown said:(I work at an electronics chain, and it didn't seem to me that the piles of Move stuff were going anywhere fast, despite the fact that we had a prominent playable display in the middle of the store. Could be mistaken.)