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NVIDIA Helping Sony with PS3 GPU
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Vennt
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Quoted by Izzy said:
TBR, really? Cool.
I hope by "like Talisman" you mean efficiency-driven, and not "going nowhere tech thats gonna make all the rats jump ship" BTW
I havent read through this thread, yet. but with Nvidia, the PlayStation 3 has the chance to fight Xenon and Revolution on the image quality / rendering front, and area that Sony has never been able to rival PC graphics providers.
now we know why Nvidia's Jen Sen called the PS3 a miracle machine. :lol
now we know why Nvidia's Jen Sen called the PS3 a miracle machine. :lol
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Izzy said:
Well, you can guarantee that despite whoever happens to hold the performance crown in the PC market 5 years from now... nothing will stop my fate of buying the number #2 option 2-3 weeks before it's launched/announced/available.
(Hehe, no kidding, somehow I managed to have nVidia in my PC when a 9800 should have been doing the biz, and now I have a 9600xt when I should have a 6800...)
not just *quantity* like in the amount of polys/sec
wow. what a stunning turn of events. something that was HEAVILY rumored a year and a half ago.
http://money.cnn.com/2003/08/27/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cach...05018967.htm+Nvidia+PS3+miracle+machine&hl=en
wow. what a stunning turn of events. something that was HEAVILY rumored a year and a half ago.
http://money.cnn.com/2003/08/27/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cach...05018967.htm+Nvidia+PS3+miracle+machine&hl=en
FeedMeAStrayCat
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Yeah, so can my ass, so what?
Seriously, though. It can. It's 10x more powerful than the PS3.
Seriously, though. It can. It's 10x more powerful than the PS3.
sonycowboy
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should be able to
:lol
They're going to absolutely destroy the others as far as tech is concerned. I love how somehow Sony is being portrayed as being behind in this race. Gotta love the Xbox reality distortion field.
:lol
They're going to absolutely destroy the others as far as tech is concerned. I love how somehow Sony is being portrayed as being behind in this race. Gotta love the Xbox reality distortion field.
Panajev2001a
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WordofGod said:
Xbox 2's GPU uses something beyond Shader Model 3.0.
What I see as the big points.
Nvidia - ATi
1. Nvidia's next PC card series and the PS3 will have a similar development set. This puts ATi in a precarious position I'd say. Before Nvidia was content to pay developers to have Nvidia be the ideal brand of graphics card for their big games. With this new partnership Nvidia will get even more of that advantage, only this time for free.
2. Nvidia now has Cell licensing rights, giving them ready access to a very powerful CPU that they can use in PC graphics cards. PC cards typically have each chipset reused for several iterations just with the processors at different clock speeds. While ATi will be spending money to find these ideal ranges for their cards Nvidia will be getting the advantage of any clock speed adjustments IBM, Sony, and Toshiba find for cell.
3. Nvidia will also very possibly see some nice royalties from the PS3. If this past gen repeats they'll get more royalties than ATi will when ATi has chips in two of the three major consoles. That increased revenue is big for a company like Nvidia, that is so good at leveraging their bankroll against their opposition.
Effects on MS
1. This is a big "Fuck You!" from Nvidia for the litigation involving Xbox GPU chip prices and quantities.
2. Nvidia is moving away from MS' Direct X with this, going to whatever they and Sony develop. This is the first serious threat Direct X's dominance has seen, and its a big one. MS built Xbox on the fact that PC gaming went through Redmond, which lead to a lot of their best 3rd party support. If Sony can flip that around on them it'll give Xenon a much harder road to travel.
MS - Sony
Sony's really throwing down the gauntlet here. This is about as close to a direct challenge over the entire gaming market, console and PC, as it gets. Sony also makes a big hardware play here in that not only will they have newer hardware that most people expect to be better anyways, they'll now have Nvidia making it more developer friendly, the biggest gripe with the PS2. MS needs Sony to slip up in order to gain significant ground, with move makes it even less likely that Sony will do that.
Nvidia - ATi
1. Nvidia's next PC card series and the PS3 will have a similar development set. This puts ATi in a precarious position I'd say. Before Nvidia was content to pay developers to have Nvidia be the ideal brand of graphics card for their big games. With this new partnership Nvidia will get even more of that advantage, only this time for free.
2. Nvidia now has Cell licensing rights, giving them ready access to a very powerful CPU that they can use in PC graphics cards. PC cards typically have each chipset reused for several iterations just with the processors at different clock speeds. While ATi will be spending money to find these ideal ranges for their cards Nvidia will be getting the advantage of any clock speed adjustments IBM, Sony, and Toshiba find for cell.
3. Nvidia will also very possibly see some nice royalties from the PS3. If this past gen repeats they'll get more royalties than ATi will when ATi has chips in two of the three major consoles. That increased revenue is big for a company like Nvidia, that is so good at leveraging their bankroll against their opposition.
Effects on MS
1. This is a big "Fuck You!" from Nvidia for the litigation involving Xbox GPU chip prices and quantities.
2. Nvidia is moving away from MS' Direct X with this, going to whatever they and Sony develop. This is the first serious threat Direct X's dominance has seen, and its a big one. MS built Xbox on the fact that PC gaming went through Redmond, which lead to a lot of their best 3rd party support. If Sony can flip that around on them it'll give Xenon a much harder road to travel.
MS - Sony
Sony's really throwing down the gauntlet here. This is about as close to a direct challenge over the entire gaming market, console and PC, as it gets. Sony also makes a big hardware play here in that not only will they have newer hardware that most people expect to be better anyways, they'll now have Nvidia making it more developer friendly, the biggest gripe with the PS2. MS needs Sony to slip up in order to gain significant ground, with move makes it even less likely that Sony will do that.
MrClaw:
no, it is a STEP UP for Sony. because whatever Sony would have made on its own (it made PS1, PS2 graphics on its own pretty much) would have lagged behind ATI, Nvidia, etc PC graphics chip makers, thus Xenon and Revolution would have had probably better image quality, like Dreamcast, Gamecube and Xbox all have better image quality than PS2.
now Sony will be on equal terms, for the first time. this is a huge step for both Sony and Nvidia.
Sony gets access to one of the largest pools of graphics engineering talent in the world (SGI, Nvidia, 3Dfx, whoever else Nvidia have assimilated over the years)
Nvidia gets to have its IP in the most mass-market console brand, the Playstation brand, something Nvidia could never hope for with the Xbox1 or the Xbox2 if Nvidia had done Xbox2 graphics.
this is true. definitally a big 'Fuck You' to MS :lol
no, it is a STEP UP for Sony. because whatever Sony would have made on its own (it made PS1, PS2 graphics on its own pretty much) would have lagged behind ATI, Nvidia, etc PC graphics chip makers, thus Xenon and Revolution would have had probably better image quality, like Dreamcast, Gamecube and Xbox all have better image quality than PS2.
now Sony will be on equal terms, for the first time. this is a huge step for both Sony and Nvidia.
Sony gets access to one of the largest pools of graphics engineering talent in the world (SGI, Nvidia, 3Dfx, whoever else Nvidia have assimilated over the years)
Nvidia gets to have its IP in the most mass-market console brand, the Playstation brand, something Nvidia could never hope for with the Xbox1 or the Xbox2 if Nvidia had done Xbox2 graphics.
this is true. definitally a big 'Fuck You' to MS :lol
FeedMeAStrayCat
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human5892 said:
Is that a strike against Nintendo? Because if it is.. ~shakes fist~
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The increased profits from their royalty agreement for the PS3 will probably launch nVidia well over ATI. And the PlayStation 3 was probably already going to be more technologically advanced than either nintendo's or microsoft's next systems considering that both nintendo and microsoft are probably looking at a 2005 release where as Sony probably won't release until at least spring 2006. Giving them some type of edge when it comes to age of technology.
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I already thought hte PS3 was going to be the more advanced of the three systems because of the time table in which I see the systems coming out, but now I have no doubt in my mind.
sonycowboy
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m0dus said:
It was simply a joke. I was really just making a point about some people claiming that:
"now, Sony might have a chance" :lol
It's really hard for me to decide what to make of the next round of game consoles. As it is, we've seen near-realistic visuals. Once they cross that line, what frontier is really left to cover? I've found myself unsure about even buying PS3, XB2, Revolution because it's not prettier pictures I'm starving for, but new gameplay innovations.
FeedMeAStrayCat
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human5892 said:
Oh. Well. Thank you then. You are very right.. most people don't even mention it anymore.. ~sigh~
Riskbreaker
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Vieo said:
Wah..this is capcom the king of rehash sprites
Additional news from Japanese sources (thx2oneB3D):
According to Mainichi Shimbun
http://www.mainichi-msn.co.jp/it/computing/news/20041207org00m300120000c.html
the completion of the GPU is expected in July - Sep 2005.
According to Mycom PC Web
http://pcweb.mycom.co.jp/news/2004/12/07/005.html
they start the production of the new GPU in 90nm process then move into 65nm process.
Fredi
According to Mainichi Shimbun
http://www.mainichi-msn.co.jp/it/computing/news/20041207org00m300120000c.html
the completion of the GPU is expected in July - Sep 2005.
According to Mycom PC Web
http://pcweb.mycom.co.jp/news/2004/12/07/005.html
they start the production of the new GPU in 90nm process then move into 65nm process.
Fredi
if MS gets credit from me for one thing, it is their job at convincing people of things even if it may not be correct or the truth.
"We are the number one console out there" as long as you don't count PS2. and hell, they were saying it from the start, at which point GCN was ahead of them worldwide up until earlier this year.
"We have the most powerful next-gen console" despite the fact that both other systems are launching later and will undoubtedly be better, if even only by a fractional margin.
I mean all companies do it, and no those aren't direct quotes, but MS has just gone crazy with their marketing. For three years the average joe has really believed that MS is in the lead and now the average joe believes that MS will have the most powerful console despite launching a year earlier than everyone else.. Now if MS would just say they can walk on water.......
but seriously, congrats to them.. they have outmarketed sony.. it may not show in their sales, profits, or market share, but at least the general public believes what they say. :lol
"We are the number one console out there" as long as you don't count PS2. and hell, they were saying it from the start, at which point GCN was ahead of them worldwide up until earlier this year.
"We have the most powerful next-gen console" despite the fact that both other systems are launching later and will undoubtedly be better, if even only by a fractional margin.
I mean all companies do it, and no those aren't direct quotes, but MS has just gone crazy with their marketing. For three years the average joe has really believed that MS is in the lead and now the average joe believes that MS will have the most powerful console despite launching a year earlier than everyone else.. Now if MS would just say they can walk on water.......
but seriously, congrats to them.. they have outmarketed sony.. it may not show in their sales, profits, or market share, but at least the general public believes what they say. :lol
sonycowboy
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borghe said:if MS gets credit from me for one thing, it is their job at convincing people of things even if it may not be correct or the truth.
"We are the number one console out there" as long as you don't count PS2. and hell, they were saying it from the start, at which point GCN was ahead of them worldwide up until earlier this year.
"We have the most powerful next-gen console" despite the fact that both other systems are launching later and will undoubtedly be better, if even only by a fractional margin.
I mean all companies do it, and no those aren't direct quotes, but MS has just gone crazy with their marketing. For three years the average joe has really believed that MS is in the lead and now the average joe believes that MS will have the most powerful console despite launching a year earlier than everyone else.. Now if MS would just say they can walk on water.......
but seriously, congrats to them.. they have outmarketed sony.. it may not show in their sales, profits, or market share, but at least the general public believes what they say. :lol
I think you're confusing internet message board frequenters (a certain group I might add), with the general population. I think Joe Schmoe still considers the Playstation to be the definition of gaming, but I think Microsoft has certainly made inroads with more knowledgeable gamers.
borghe said:if MS gets credit from me for one thing, it is their job at convincing people of things even if it may not be correct or the truth.
"We are the number one console out there" as long as you don't count PS2. and hell, they were saying it from the start, at which point GCN was ahead of them worldwide up until earlier this year.
"We have the most powerful next-gen console" despite the fact that both other systems are launching later and will undoubtedly be better, if even only by a fractional margin.
I mean all companies do it, and no those aren't direct quotes, but MS has just gone crazy with their marketing. For three years the average joe has really believed that MS is in the lead and now the average joe believes that MS will have the most powerful console despite launching a year earlier than everyone else.. Now if MS would just say they can walk on water.......
but seriously, congrats to them.. they have outmarketed sony.. it may not show in their sales, profits, or market share, but at least the general public believes what they say. :lol
Just wait till Sony's propaganda department unleashes their marketing missiles when Xenon releases.
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at the moment the xbox is selling pretty evenly with the PS2 in north america. And don't think the media hasn't made note of that.
I doesn't surprise me. If you have ever heard JH Huang talk about Sony, he has seemed to me to be rather oddly positive, given that he was working with the competition. I never heard him trash talk the PS2 after about the first year of working with MS. Maybe his bad experiences with MS made he think to always keep the door open to Sony. I think he is very bitter over his expereince with the X-box, and would love nothing better than to stick it into Bill Gate's eye with the PS3.
Plus, he's a tech/hardware guy, MS has never been about that, but Sony has.
Plus, he's a tech/hardware guy, MS has never been about that, but Sony has.
vesuvious said:
A legitimate question worth repeating... will the PS3 be able to replicate the the EE?
Really, I think the difference between PS3/Xenon/Revolution will be the developer tools. Whoever can make it easiest for the developers to make the best looking games with the least amount of resources (coders, artists, modelers, etc.) will get the most developer support.
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When both nintendo and microsoft announced that they were going with ati, I think nVidia realized if they didn't get into some sort of agreement with Sony they were going to be left behind. The problem? Sony was pretty hellbent on doing the GPU for the PS3 themselves. I think this is why they have a royalty agreement with Sony instead of simply selling gpus to sony.
Neither company needs to worry about an overshipment of gpus, and about the price of the gpus.
Ken Kutaragi has always maintained that the PlayStation brand will remain backwards compatible. Have I missed something?
Neither company needs to worry about an overshipment of gpus, and about the price of the gpus.
Ken Kutaragi has always maintained that the PlayStation brand will remain backwards compatible. Have I missed something?
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Why replicate or emulate?
Surely they could "do a PS2" and throw the EE into the PS3 as an I/O controller
sonycowboy
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Freeburn said:Why replicate or emulate?
Surely they could "do a PS2" and throw the EE into the PS3 as an I/O controller
Well,
the cost of the combined EE+GS has got to be pretty damn cost reduced at this point of the cycle and it's on 65nm processing, right?
That would seem to be a very, very small price to pay to get BC.
mashoutposse
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Galian Beast said:
There is a shortage of PS2s on the market. Not the best time to compare sales statistics and draw any sort of accurate conclusion...
McFly said:
Start commericial production or sample production on 90nm? Might this point to a 90nm entry point for PS3 in general?
Also, finishing work on the GPU in July-Sep05 should put to rest any questions regarding the chips power relative to ATi's Xbox2 chip...
(R5xx work has finished up, hasn't it? Or finishing up soon?)