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How do these police officers sleep at night and why haven't they quit, protested themselves? I understand money is a powerful thing, but I'm sure at least some of them would have some form of integrity while they do what they know isn't right.
 

Wazzim

Banned
I will never take anyone with sea foam green hair seriously.

If that's all you have to say then you're a terrible citizen of a constitutional nation. Congrats.

How do these police officers sleep at night and why haven't they quit, protested themselves? I understand money is a powerful thing, but I'm sure at least some of them would have some form of integrity while they do what they know isn't right.
There you have your answer. I also believe group pressure has something to do with it.
 

A Human Becoming

More than a Member
Back home from Occupy the New Hampshire Primary. Met people from Occupy Wall Street and other occupies in the northeast. I managed to get in contact with the people who run Global Revolution to have our events simulcast. I was at the event Newt Gingrich canceled because of "security" reasons and was in the group that mic checked Romney for a second time at the event Christie was at. I was in the over flow room unaware he had already been mic checked earlier.

I had a great time.
 

Dude Abides

Banned
Back home from Occupy the New Hampshire Primary. Met people from Occupy Wall Street and other occupies in the northeast. I managed to get in contact with the people who run Global Revolution to have our events simulcast. I was at the event Newt Gingrich canceled because of "security" reasons and was in the group that mic checked Romney for a second time at the event Christie was at. I was in the over flow room unaware he had already been mic checked earlier.

I had a great time.

What was the reaction when Christie suggested that woman should give him a BJ?
 
Back home from Occupy the New Hampshire Primary. Met people from Occupy Wall Street and other occupies in the northeast. I managed to get in contact with the people who run Global Revolution to have our events simulcast. I was at the event Newt Gingrich canceled because of "security" reasons and was in the group that mic checked Romney for a second time at the event Christie was at. I was in the over flow room unaware he had already been mic checked earlier.

I had a great time.

Mic checking political candidates?... Ooo, wow, dude. That's some solid work in "restoring true democracy to America" by disrupting peoples' ability speak to freely.

Tea Party-esque, bravo!
 
Barricades Come Down at Zuccotti Park
By COLIN MOYNIHAN

Updated, 10:07 a.m. | Security guards working for Brookfield Properties took down a cordon of metal barricades surrounding Zuccotti Park on Tuesday evening, but entered the park later that night to enforce rules forbidding anyone to lie down.

The police arrested three people late Tuesday, a woman and two men, and charged them with trespassing, obstructing governmental administration and resisting arrest.

More than 200 Occupy Wall Street protesters milled inside the park past midnight, celebrating the removal of the barricades, which some lawyers had said violated city laws.

Moira Meltzer-Cohen, 34, a law student from Bedford-Stuyvesant, said that she was in a meeting in a public atrium on Wall Street on Tuesday when word began circulating that the barricades were being taken down. She said she rushed to the park and saw security guards stacking barricades that had ringed the park since the police cleared an Occupy Wall Street encampment there in mid-November, forcing protesters to enter single file.

“People flooded in, and there was a lot of jubilation,” she said. “There was so much joy because the park had been caged for so long.”

Vestiges from the park’s recent past emerged. Protesters brought crates of books left over from a library that had been established at the park before it was cleared. They also ladled out meals from large containers, something that Brookfield guards had prevented over the last two months.

There was also some friction. A man who was seen directing security guards but would not give his name told protesters at one point that books were not permitted inside the park. A security guard told one man that drumming was not allowed.

The removal of the barricades came one day after lawyers for the New York Civil Liberties Union, the Center for Constitutional Rights and the National Lawyers Guild sent a letter to the New York City Buildings Department objecting to security measures set up at the park by Brookfield.

The letter (see also below) said that zoning laws required Brookfield Properties to provide unobstructed access to the park. The letter also said that rules that did not appear in any written form — forbidding food or musical instruments, for example — had been used arbitrarily to keep some people from the park.

“The inconsistent and selective enforcement of constantly changing rules, and preemptive searches of individuals attempting to enter the park violates the terms of the special zoning permit which obligates Brookfield to maintain Liberty Park as a permanent open park for the public benefit,” the letter said.

One lawyer who signed the letter, Gideon Oliver, said on Tuesday night that he had not heard from Brookfield or the city but said he thought it was a “reasonable inference” that the letter had led to the removal of the barricades.

In 1968, the developers of an office tower next to the park were permitted to add 500,000 square feet to their building in return for providing a public space, which was first named Liberty Plaza Park. It was renamed Zuccotti Park, after a Brookfield executive, in 2006.

Several protesters said on Tuesday that it had been important to regain unfettered access to the park, which they described as a key meeting spot in the heart of the financial district.

“We worked very hard to vindicate our right to protest so that our outcry about Wall Street greed can be heard,” Bill Dobbs, an organizer, said on Tuesday.

Early on Tuesday night the police removed two people from a granite bench on the north side of the park, with an officer telling the men that the owners of the park did not want them there. But a few moments later, when seven people sat on the same bench, the police did not renew their objection.

Just before midnight, though, about a dozen protesters drew a different response when they curled up under silvery blankets at the northeast corner of the park, resting atop sheets of cardboard scavenged from nearby streets. A police lieutenant at the head of a column of officers announced that lying down was not permitted, adding that anyone who did so would be arrested for trespassing.

As the officers approached, the protesters picked up their blankets and cardboard sheets and moved toward the center of the park. At about 2 a.m., a security guard told a man and a woman lying on a granite bench there to get up. They did not immediately rise. Moments later both were arrested and led away.

At several points, guards and a police commander ripped pieces of cardboard from the grasp of protesters. One guard announced repeatedly that the cardboard was “padding” that was not allowed.

Meanwhile some protesters shouted for him to produce that rule in writing and others complained that their pieces of cardboard were meant to serve as signs.

Video at the link:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/11/barricades-come-down-at-zuccotti-park/
 
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So I met the Person of the Year today. She's actually really cute in person. Bought some Shepard Fairey prints and got some Occupy gear signed by her.
 
A Greyhound Bus heading from San Diego to Washington D.C. allegedly stranded 13 of it's passengers in the middle of Texas after the driver allegedly took issue with the Occupy Wallstreet movement.

The driver, who has been identified as Don Ainsworth, kept passengers waiting for an hour while locked in the bus at a Greyhound depot in Amarillo, Texas after unloading the bags of various Occupiers. Police were called, and 13 individuals were pointed out and taken off the bus.

In response to criticism, Greyhound set out this tweet:

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http://www.observer.com/2012/01/gre...f-stranding-occupy-congress-passengers-video/
 
http://occupytheory.org/TIDAL_occupytheory.pdf

http://www.possible-futures.org/2012/01/23/living-politically/

Living politically
by Matthew Noah Smith



Less than ten years ago, a day of international protests swept across the globe, involving millions of human beings for nearly a full 24 hours. It was a global protest against the United States starting a war against Iraq, and was, as far as we know, the first coordinated global protest against state-sponsored violence. A few years before that, at a World Trade Organization meeting in Seattle in 1999, a series of intense, angry protests against global economic injustice began. These actions occurred repeatedly over several years, and across several continents. As recently as the winter of 2011, there were enormous protests in Madison, Wisconsin against anti-union legislation. The protests were explicitly focused on class and inequalities, not just on wealth, but also on the discrepancy of power between the very rich and the rest.

Mass protests—and especially mass protests focused on economic justice—were with us at the turn of this century. For some reason, though, the Occupy Wall Street movement (OWS) captured our imaginations and managed to become the locus of academic and public discussion about protest and alternatives to the current political economy. Why is this?

Before answering this question, it is worth briefly reflecting on the ways in which OWS has not been successful. There is no evidence that OWS will have any effect on elections or governmental policy. As best as I can tell, what OWS has done is introduced certain language into popular discourse. Most notably, a LexisNexis search reveals that discussions of income- and wealth-inequality shot up by at least two-fold during the OWS occupation of Zucotti Park when compared to the two month period before that, or, for that matter, the same period the year prior. But as noted above, mass political action resisting inequality predates OWS. Furthermore, OWS is not a movement—at least not in any sense that we would use the term to refer to other movements. OWS was, first and foremost, an event more than an organization.

Because OWS was no more than an event, it always had to be located in a determinate place. This is why the evictions from Zucotti and the various other OWS sites were seen as existential threats. A performance needs a theater, and if the theater closes, then the performance ends. Organizations, on the other hand, are abstract entities and so can coalesce anywhere they choose. OWS had moments when it appeared to be on the verge of shifting from a determinate series of events into an abstract organization, but, at least as of early 2012, a full transformation never occurred. OWS remains, first and foremost, one of the most remarkable events of 2011, but not an organization.

Alas, that event is now over. We still might benefit, though, from asking why OWS so effectively captivated our imaginations—why it was so much more successful than, for example, the remarkable protests that shut down the entire state government of Wisconsin earlier in 2011.

One might point to OWS’s occupation of public space as a tactic that set it apart from other actions for economic justice. But this is surely not significant enough to warrant either the special attention OWS has gotten or our amnesia about the recent political past. After all, the Wisconsin protesters occupied public space in a far more ferocious manner than did OWS. So, let us put this suggestion aside.

Let us look elsewhere for factors that might partially explain how OWS so effectively gripped our attention (sometimes to the exclusion of all the other mass protest movements of the past decade).

First, unlike the first few years of the twenty-first century, capitalism is now in its greatest crisis since the 1930s. This crisis has touched all of us. For some, it has been personally disastrous. In these cases, the crisis reshaped relationships with more than just the political economy within which we were born; it also poignantly affected many of our relationships with each other. People have lost jobs and homes, and as a result have lost communities and marriages. Students have lost their futures in a dark pit of debt from which they cannot imagine escaping. This immediate hardship of the crisis makes it a personal crisis. So any response to the crisis becomes personal. This is especially so given the Obama administration’s failure to articulate and pursue a vision of economic justice in response to this crisis. Unsurprisingly, then, people who were never protesters, and who did not see themselves as aligned with the Tea Party, suddenly came to see themselves as aligned with OWS. At the very least, desperation has made people more receptive to its message.

The second factor that explains our myopic focus on OWS is probably the Arab Spring. Captivating and beautiful, these pro-democracy movements were also largely—and surprisingly—successful in producing immediate, substantial change. Immediate success is a powerful force in focusing our attention. This is a bit surprising, of course, since the aims of the Arab Spring are so radically distinct from those of OWS. The Arab Spring is, in many ways, a completion of the anti-colonial movements of the 1960s. Its primary demand has been for basic democratic institutions, not, at least in the first instance, for economic equality.

If I am correct that these factors explain the popular currency of OWS, then we should be struck by how these factors are entirely out of the control of OWS. What would have happened had OWS occurred without the crisis—but with all the inequality and corruption in politics—or without the Arab Spring? Such counterfactuals are hard to answer. But if we are to take control over our futures through the mechanism of mass protest and mass movement, such questions seem well worth contemplating. Surely there are elements of OWS that were intentionally put in place by the OWS community itself, and that also partially explain the success of OWS. We ought to tease out those elements in order to avoid abdicating a certain degree of movement success to the exigencies of the historical moment.

One facile approach to this project is to treat the apparently leaderless nature of OWS as one of its unique sources of strength. Within OWS, dynamic and well-trained people operate aggressively both behind the scenes and, at least sometimes, in front of the cameras. Such people play crucial leadership roles during many of OWS’s most important events, in particular during several of the major protests in New York City, Oakland, San Francisco, and Los Angeles. Those in solidarity with OWS deny the existence of leadership in the movement at their own political peril. Clear eyes about the need for well-trained and disciplined organizers are essential. Successful protests and self-sustaining movements cannot function without them. And such organizers inevitably play leadership roles. Not to acknowledge this allows those very individuals to have control, but without the concomitant accountability. Fortunately, members of OWS themselves seem aware of this and, as far as I know, do not take themselves to be leaderless in this sense. (On the other hand, since OWS was just an event, and not an organization, these leaders played only operational or tactical roles—the protests, and so their organizers, aimed at very little beyond successful protesting.)

It follows from this that another erroneous but common view of OWS’s distinctiveness is that it lacks discipline or organization. Most OWS encampments and events appear to have been extremely well organized. OWS actions appear also to have been fairly well executed. This was no leaderless mob. There was structure, albeit an inchoate structure.

This, then, suggests a particular element of OWS that was intentionally and carefully nurtured—namely, its very structure. I am not referring to some apparently decentralized order one might see typified especially in its self-generating media presence. This is a distraction, as it is nothing more than a reflection of the Internet’s structure on which OWS is, at least in this way, parasitic.

Rather, the structure that is so inspiring and important is the way in which it engages the practical and political questions of its own future. This is most obviously manifest in the collaborative, participatory democracy of both the general assemblies and the spontaneous, democratic decision making that happens on the ground during protests and marches.

This was evident in many of the most dramatic challenges to police power. These challenges occurred not when people took to the streets and were arrested but instead when protesters made collective decisions on the fly, often right in front of the paramilitary police force. Faceless, robot-like stormtroopers surrounded by people openly debating and ultimately deciding their next move produced powerful spectacles of political imagination made concrete, standing in hopeful contrast to the simplistic, brutal order of the cops.

With the emergence of this decision-making process, many people were introduced to an unfamiliar form of non-hierarchical, structured democratic engagement with practical questions. This is important. Democratic movements cannot succeed only through winning certain determinate policy goals; democratic movements aim to transform more than just certain political institutions or leaders. Rather, movements for democracy aim to change people’s conceptions of their own political agency. This personal process involves the alteration of one’s self-understanding. One learns not just to stand up and fight—that is easily and disastrously taught. Rather, one learns to see oneself as having a unique power in concert with others—namely, the power to collectively shape the world in the image of a political ideal. One no longer thinks of oneself as a patient or a lone figure in struggle against injustice. Rather, one begins to think of oneself plurally and democratically. That is, one understands oneself as part of a democratic ‘we.’

Simply watching through various media as OWS unfolded, it was hard to avoid encountering the radical order embodied by the protesters. When visiting encampments, especially Zucotti, it was hard not to be drawn into this radical order. Many people showed up and then just found themselves caught up in OWS activities. Radical, democratic decision making means that even those at the fringes can easily become involved, invested, and inspired. A few more visits, the simple act of participation in a working group, or just toting flyers back to one’s apartment and then dropping them in the neighborhood—each of these actions can initialize a reconception of oneself as a political agent.

This also occurs during the best union-organizing and community-organizing campaigns. People who never understood themselves as having any say, much less any significant role to play, in the political and economic structures shaping their lives slowly begin to step forward. They see their strength not as individuals, but as members of a group. They do not see themselves as victims but as part of a people that has power as a people. This is not accomplished in a stirring, cinematic moment. Rather, it occurs via a slow evolution, whereby the stories people tell themselves about themselves subtly alter. New themes emerge; new futures begin to appear to be natural options from which they might choose.

But what is a (perhaps inevitable) shame it is that OWS did not move beyond being an event and transform itself into a standing organization that can systematically generate these sorts of transformations in self-conception. The compromises one must make in the course of metamorphosis from discontinuous performance to stable organization are substantial. Most notably, democratic organizations ought to be transparent, and this requires a certain level of bureaucracy. Bureaucracy, in turn, can be difficult for the young or newly politically active to accept.

On the other hand, perhaps OWS is serving as something like a Millian experiment in living, or perhaps better described as an experiment in living politically. People are recognizing that political agency is not manifested only through voting and protesting, only through money and violence, but also through participation with others in the decision-making process that determines their futures. The more who experience this—with its many frustrations—the better.

My criticism, articulated throughout this essay, is that this transformation in political agency has not been accompanied with a genuine vision of how to create, on a larger scale, an alternative political order. Street protests, the establishment of squats, the encouragement of people to move to credit unions, and so on, are all valuable events. But these are just events. Challenging power requires meeting the political order at least partially on its own terms. In particular, challenging power on a mass scale requires building-focused loci of power.

Does that mean running candidates or participating in electoral politics? Perhaps. But it most certainly means moving from espousing abstract principles to building an abstract collective that is an organization. Events like an OWS encampment cease to be ends in themselves, and instead become tactics used to build this collective. Alternatively, instead of building a new organization, OWS partisans can occupy established progressive organizations like labor unions, think tanks, and so on, and bring the practice of participatory democracy into those organizations. Regardless of method, this sort of organizational engagement with the political order, with an aim towards bringing a radical vision of the political self into existing sites of institutional political significance, would mark a transition from performance to power. Of course, whatever course of action is taken is for the OWS community to decide together, autonomously, and rhizomatically.
 

SolKane

Member
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This is the police chief in Austin. I know this is old, but I only first heard about it last night. Apparently some NYPD officers are raising a stink about this.[/QUOTE]

You know there were dozens of arrests a few weeks after this photo was taken, right? Oh well, they've evicted everyone from city hall now except for day light hours.
 
How do these police officers sleep at night and why haven't they quit, protested themselves? I understand money is a powerful thing, but I'm sure at least some of them would have some form of integrity while they do what they know isn't right.

You assume they think it is wrong.

Have you not seen the countless videos of police doing horrible things?
 

Black-Box

Member
This is deeply disturbing. No warning, no discussion.

I am very much looking forward to OccupyDC.

there has been warning for months now, when you see Occupy places getting shut down all over America, it should mean that your OccupyWhatever is going to get shut down as well.

but she was clearly resisting arrest.

what the protesters where doing was against the law, people think they are above the law because they are protesting
 

maharg

idspispopd
there has been warning for months now, when you see Occupy places getting shut down all over America, it should mean that your OccupyWhatever is going to get shut down as well.

but she was clearly resisting arrest.

what the protesters where doing was against the law, people think they are above the law because they are protesting

Should what she was doing actually BE illegal?
 

Black-Box

Member
How do these police officers sleep at night and why haven't they quit, protested themselves? I understand money is a powerful thing, but I'm sure at least some of them would have some form of integrity while they do what they know isn't right.

Cops are doing there job, they have no reason to protest
 

maharg

idspispopd
isn't it illegal? They aren't in a "public place" so you can't just go and have a protest, and yell.

Not what I was saying. I'm asking for you to make a moral judgement about the justness of any law that prevents her from doing that.

As for the publicness of the space, I think that while Grand Central might be privately owned (I'm not sure about that), it could easily be argued that it is a space that serves the public. Seems like there's a bit of a grey area there. At any rate, we've seen protesters kicked out of obviously and unquestionably public spaces a lot in the last year.
 

Black-Box

Member
Not what I was saying. I'm asking for you to make a moral judgement about the justness of any law that prevents her from doing that.

As for the publicness of the space, I think that while Grand Central might be privately owned (I'm not sure about that), it could easily be argued that it is a space that serves the public. Seems like there's a bit of a grey area there. At any rate, we've seen protesters kicked out of obviously and unquestionably public spaces a lot in the last year.

ohh ok, honesty, I think it is, like the amount of people going through there, what she was screaming is probably the last thing people want to be, like if she had enough people stopping to listen, it could cause a wall of people blocking everyone else from getting to where they want to go. also being the Grand Central, they would want to stop anything that has a chance of getting out of hand, and protests are known for bringing the wrong crowd in. I don't think its ever a good idea to protest indoors.

She just picked the wrong place
 
Occupiers set up living room in Bank of America lobby:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jUzMLu4K_2o

Bank of America (BAC) is a morally and financially dead “zombie bank” poised to shock the entire global economy into crisis. Its time to FightBAC and break up the bank! On March 15th, we will Foreclose on Bank of America.

This spring, the 99% is taking on Bank of America. For too long they’ve preyed on us — but now, we’re turning the tables. Instead of letting the bank foreclose on us, we’re going to foreclose on the bank. On March 15, April 15th and May 15th we will move our money, put our bodies on the line and bring their crimes to light. It time to break up the bank and create real alternatives. Come out for the big days of action and share your everyday local actions on the map below.

How do we stop an out of control economic system? Force banks to write-down mortgage principal to current home values? Re-instate the Glass–Steagall Act? Break up the banking monopolies? Stop foreclosures? End corporate person hood? End ‘too big to fail?’ Repeal Citizens United? Jail banking execs? Stop corporate layoffs? End funding of environmental destruction? Instate a Tobin Tax? This time let them fail? There are no shortage of common sense solutions, but with a government run by and for elites, we can not expect common sense to prevail without a fight. We need to break up the banks. Direct action, street protests, occupations, move your money campaigns, and civil disobedience are some of the best ways average people can fight for economic justice in a system where money buys media and politicians. We must march, occupy, and stand together until we regain democratic control and the financial criminals are brought to justice.

http://fthebanks.org/
 

XMonkey

lacks enthusiasm.
Kind of a fluff opinion piece there. But yes, Occupy faces hurdles. I still think Occupy needs to distill and focus the message. There's a lot of unease and unhappiness in this country, we just need to seize on it properly. His opinion of the Tea Party is pretty naive, though.

Besides, as long as the problems aren't going away (and they certainly aren't), there should be people organizing and protesting. Whether that's Occupy or any other movement doesn't really matter. This isn't a battle that will be won in a year or even several.
 

Enron

Banned
I missed this article the other day. I'm not surprised. This is exactly what I thought would happen with this movement.
 
Like something was going to happen because of 1 movement in the timespan of a year? Wall Street has been getting away with everything the occupy movement is agaisnt since the late 1970s.
 

Enron

Banned
Like something was going to happen because of 1 movement in the timespan of a year? Wall Street has been getting away with everything the occupy movement is agaisnt since the late 1970s.

It's not so much that, it's more that it didn't take long for Occupy to fizzle.
 

eznark

Banned
Like something was going to happen because of 1 movement in the timespan of a year? Wall Street has been getting away with everything the occupy movement is agaisnt since the late 1970s.

Tea party had and continues to have a massive impact.



Too be fair it was low hanging fruit. But I fear for the day you are wrong.
Who could have predicted a bunch of deadbeat hippies living in tents and raping each other wouldn't save the world?
 

ToxicAdam

Member
They seemed to change the national conversation on taxation and re-introduced the idea of the rich, white guy as the national bogeyman.

Then the republicans elected the epitome of that bogeyman. So, if Obama wins .. you have to give them huge credit for kneecapping his opponent even before he got out of the starting blocks.
 
Tea party had and continues to have a massive impact.




Who could have predicted a bunch of deadbeat hippies living in tents and raping each other wouldn't save the world?

Tea Party is a joke though...it’s like an inside troll job by the Republicans to get lunatics to put them into office and then proceed to do everything against what the Tea Party really wants/believes.
 

eznark

Banned
Had? Ok, I guess. Continue to? No.

Really? They've coalesced into a number of lobbying and fund raising organizations that spend millions of dollars on elections throughout the country and have a huge presence at state and local conventions. The problem with the occupy kids is that they had no sense of purpose or any clue as to how to achieve their unknown goals.
 
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