Mr_Antimatter
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I have to agree with the above. Once you start making new textures, models, assets, etc, it moves into hd remake areas.
Reamsters are more just upscaled ports to new hardware, maybe with a few small tweaks.
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Oddworld: New n Tasty its not a fucking HD remake
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I have to agree with the above. Once you start making new textures, models, assets, etc, it moves into hd remake areas.
Reamsters are more just upscaled ports to new hardware, maybe with a few small tweaks.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Well maybe if you showed a gameplay demo of a section of the game that wasn't in the original game people wouldn't be confused. Before Tomb Raider Anniversary came out they made it damn well known that the level design and gameplay was VERY different to the original. I can't say the same about this remake. Virtually everything they've shown looks like a prettier version of the same game. That's probably because that's what the game is, only with some tweaks here and there.
Scrolling instead of screen by screen and streamlined controls don't change the level design from being largely the same. But hey, prove me wrong. Show some direct gameplay from a part of the game that has completely different level design to anything in the original. Or don't. But don't whine when people think it's just a prettier version of the same game when you haven't proven otherwise.
Scrolling instead of screen by screen and streamlined controls don't change the level design from being largely the same. But hey, prove me wrong. Show some direct gameplay from a part of the game that has completely different level design to anything in the original. Or don't. But don't whine when people think it's just a prettier version of the same game when you haven't proven otherwise.
I feel you're making a distinction that doesn't exist. That the term "remaster" has origins in the audio and video industries doesn't preclude it being applied to relatively nascent industries such as video games, and in fact when you consider what the term means more broadly (taking existing content and enhancing it for higher fidelity) it's perfectly applicable to the likes of, say, the God of War Collection. The issue is that there's no standardisation of such nomenclature within the video game space and so it's not uncommon for to see "remaster" and "remake" refer to the same thing.
It's a different game simply due to the fact that the game now scrolls instead of flipping screens, that alone will change the way the game plays and make it different to the original. The tone of the game may well remain true to the original but it is more than a "remaster" of the game.
Maybe they're reusing some of the original art assets which I suppose would qualify it for the "remaster" title but in all honesty I just don't care what it's described as although I'm sure these descriptions are going to become more and more difficult to define moving forwards.
Maybe they're reusing some of the original art assets which I suppose would qualify it for the "remaster" title but in all honesty I just don't care what it's described as although I'm sure these descriptions are going to become more and more difficult to define moving forwards.
Darkroronoa
Member
People think it's just upping the resolution but it's a remake and not an "HD remake". That term is used for basically re-releasing the identical game in a higher resolution.
Just the fact that it is 2.5D instead of 2D is enought to do not call this an HD remake, its a remake, a proper one.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Who has ever called FFX a HD remake?
And nobody called that an SD remake...The term HD remake leaves a gross taste in many modern gamer's mouths, so I can see where he's coming from.
Portugeezer
Member
It deserves better recognition.
That's really the issue.
New 'n' Tasty *IS* a remake in the traditional sense. It's all of those other PS2 ports which are being mislabeled as remakes that has created this confusion. FFX-HD is not a remake. It's just a port with minor enhancements. Same for most HD re-releases.
345triangle
Member
...so it's a remake, right?
that's not a pejorative. tomb raider anniversary is a remake of tomb raider, and twin snakes is a remake of metal gear solid.
Hahaha! The quote reminded me of this
For those who haven't seen the scene (NSFW)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMSQppv5CrI
For those who haven't seen the scene (NSFW)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMSQppv5CrI
New 'n' Tasty is a remake in every sense of the word.
The problem is the stigmatization that comes with that very association. "HD remake" isn't a compelling word when it is interchangeable at a regular basis with all its HD remaster peers. The difference in the naming conventions are so subtle yet they remain vastly different in principle and it's often overlooked.
It really comes with the territory with the recent craze of ports and remasters. Actual remakes like this one and Bionic Commando: Rearmed, which personally to me stands as a golden standard of what a remake should be, are not a common breed compared to what is put out these days.
The problem is the stigmatization that comes with that very association. "HD remake" isn't a compelling word when it is interchangeable at a regular basis with all its HD remaster peers. The difference in the naming conventions are so subtle yet they remain vastly different in principle and it's often overlooked.
It really comes with the territory with the recent craze of ports and remasters. Actual remakes like this one and Bionic Commando: Rearmed, which personally to me stands as a golden standard of what a remake should be, are not a common breed compared to what is put out these days.
The_Endgamer
Member
It is a remake. The problem is the developer thinking that saying it decreases its value.
Man up and just say it is the best way to experience it like everyone else does.
Like gaaawwwwwwwwwd.
Man up and just say it is the best way to experience it like everyone else does.
Like gaaawwwwwwwwwd.
Impossiburu
Neo Member
There are HD Ports and there are HD Remakes. To me, this is a remake. Quite literally.
It's being re-made in HD with a new engine.
It's being re-made in HD with a new engine.
mugurumakensei
Member
It's not an HD remake. HD is not even a tertiary goal.
Let's examine the sentence you wrote.
It seems as if being in HD is a goal of this remake.
Compare to
Now, the goal is to remake the game with a new engine. HD is a side-effect of making the game in 2014 not the goal.
If it is a remake, and it's in HD, it is a HD remake.
EDIT: Actually, it's on Vita, there it's an ED remake.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
its a remake that happens to be in HD
Neostalgic is a pretty cool word. I will use this word somehow, someday.
Yeah, it's a remaster. The term is applied the same way it is to a film or an album - it's the original product made to look and sound better. Calling FFX HD a port discredits the work that went into it.
Ken Masters
Banned
I understand the devs anger but it's not entirely his fault, he has a shit gaming media on his hands that won't so a good job explaining this is a game built from the ground up to the readers
B_Spooky13
Member
It's not like watching the original Psycho on Blu-ray
It's like watching the Vince Vaughn version of Psycho on Blu-ray..
Oh god should we be worried?
It's like watching the Vince Vaughn version of Psycho on Blu-ray..
Oh god should we be worried?
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
I understand where he's coming from.
Tons of HD ports/remasters are mislabeled as HD 'remakes' and he doesn't want a game that's been rebuilt from the ground up via the same blueprint to be lumped in with them. That's fair.
Tons of HD ports/remasters are mislabeled as HD 'remakes' and he doesn't want a game that's been rebuilt from the ground up via the same blueprint to be lumped in with them. That's fair.
abstract alien
Member
I see no reason to be daft in regards to his statement. It's easy to understand what the context was, regardless of the wording.
KingJ2002
Member
Hmmm... i think in the case of this game it could be considered closer to a series reboot than a remake.
Core story hasn't changed but gameplay and visuals have been upgraded for this generation.
games such as Tomb Raider, Ninja Gaiden & Mortal Kombat would never be called remakes and New N' Tasty could be considered the same... well... if they plan on continuing off the momentum that new n' tasty brings.
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either way. I missed out in 1997... i will definitely pick it up when it's released.
Core story hasn't changed but gameplay and visuals have been upgraded for this generation.
games such as Tomb Raider, Ninja Gaiden & Mortal Kombat would never be called remakes and New N' Tasty could be considered the same... well... if they plan on continuing off the momentum that new n' tasty brings.
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either way. I missed out in 1997... i will definitely pick it up when it's released.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Obviously New 'n' Tasty and other projects take priority but one day I'd love a Vita or whatever version of Abe's Oddysee with the full res assets and improved controls.
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
If the story and basic level design is the same... it's a remake and not a reboot.
Oh nothing wrong with Lorne Lanning. He is a great guy.
AgentOtaku
Member
Yup
Like a boss
This game needs the proper love and marketing support when it drops. Shit is important to the Sony legacy and should be treated accordingly
Neuromancer
Member
I understand where he's coming from, as JAW is recreating the entire game from the ground up - graphics, music, everything - not to mention going from pre-rendered 3D to actual 3D. If it were me, I think I would have said 'This is a lot more than just an HD remake' and then explain why to avoid this kind of headline.
AgentOtaku
Member
It's been a while since I played Oddworld but won't the scrolling levels make the thing much harder?
The isolated screens sort of gave you context to explore, re-start from checkpoints, etc.
Some of the Mudokans were really well hidden IRRC.
True Story: I reviewed the original PSOne game for GameFan and got a lovely thank you letter from Lorne and Sherry!
The isolated screens sort of gave you context to explore, re-start from checkpoints, etc.
Some of the Mudokans were really well hidden IRRC.
True Story: I reviewed the original PSOne game for GameFan and got a lovely thank you letter from Lorne and Sherry!
AgentOtaku
Member
As in its a modern game. "HD" implies its merely uprezzed and old
Also, can we please get a new artbook
He probably doesn't feel like spending years of his life remaking a game that was already remade once.
I think it's obvious that he meant NnT is not an upscaled port and not a port at all. It's an entirely new game based heavily on Abe's Odyssey.
Neuromancer
Member
I wonder about that too.