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Official Feb. 12th Primary Thread (Obama/McCain Beltway SWEEP SWEEP)

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woeds

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I find it hard to believe that Edwards would endorse Hillary and not even talk to Obama before making up his mind.

How about the other way around? Edwards was already slightly in favor of Obama. He invites Hillary to make her point. She doesn't impress him. He calls of the meeting with Obama, knowing he'll back him anyway.

Could be, right? :D
 

Mandark

Small balls, big fun!
Oh shit, Edwards will be crying to sleep on his pillow once he's found out how many Respect Points maynerd's docked him.
 

grandjedi6

Master of the Google Search
kos said:
This post was inspired by a comment I read earlier yesterday, which I can't find now, so apologies for the unsourced inspiration.

One of the hilarious side-effects of every Obama victory is the spin from Clinton quarters and its surrogates and supporters explaining why said victories "don't matter".

Iowa didn't matter because it was a caucus state, and it's undemocratic. Same goes for every other caucus state including Maine. The only caucus state that mattered was Nevada.

Idaho, Kansas, Nebraska, North Dakota, Alaska, and Utah don't matter because they're small Red states that Democrats won't carry in November.

Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, and Louisiana don't matter because they have black people. Expect the same spin out of DC this Tuesday. Black people don't apparently count.

Washington and Minnesota don't matter because they have educated white people.

In any case, Washington, Nebraska, and Louisiana didn't matter on Saturday because everyone expected Obama to win them anyway.

Virginia and Maryland, assuming they're won by Obama, will be a combination of the "black people" and "educated people" rationalizations. Throw a little of "Obama was expected to win anyway", and you've got the trifecta.

Illinois doesn't matter because that's Obama's home state. Expect the same spin when Obama wins Hawaii by double-digit margins in two weeks.

Missouri doesn't matter because Clinton sent out a press release claiming she won it.

Colorado was a caucus state, so that leaves Delaware and Connecticut. Those are the only two states that apparently matter, giving Hillary Clinton a commanding 10-2 lead among states that matter.

One final line of attack used to minimize Obama's victories is the notion that "he can't win states without his base", his base of course being African Americans, white yuppies, and Red state Democrats. Yet the corollary of that is what? That Hillary can't win states that

1.) she hasn't lived in recently (New York and Arkansas),

2.) aren't next to states she has lived in (Tennessee, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Oklahoma),

3.) don't share a media market with states she has lived in (New Hampshire), or

4.) are outside the Southwest with its large Latino population (California, which she won with the strength of her SoCal vote, Arizona, Nevada and probably New Mexico).

Pretty silly game, huh?

Incidentally, if these stupid generalizations were to actually hold true the rest of this primary, the states would fall like this:

Clinton: Texas, Rhode Island, Vermont, Pennsylvania.

Obama: Virginia, DC, Maryland, Hawaii, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Mississippi, Indiana, North Carolina, Oregon, Montana, South Dakota.

Neither: Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky



But that's not what the final tally will look like.

p.s. Interestingly enough, other than New Mexico, the only other razor-thin contest thus far was Missouri -- a state which borders both Illinois and Arkansas. So in the battle of "neighboring state contest", Obama won, but only by a hair, and only because the Illinois-Missouri border is longer than the Arkansas-Missouri one.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/11/121758/950

Oh Daily Kos :lol

I like how they are basically attacking Cooltrick and the crazy Hillary cult site specifically :p
 

RubxQub

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BenjaminBirdie said:
Did he just start or just finish?
I'm guessing finish... stream cut
 

schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
If Obama wins by 20+ tomorrow..damn that's going to be hard for Hilldog to spin that away.


Another interesting note that A. Sullivan brought up- for all of the Clinton talk about Ohio and PA being so huge, there is only 224 delegates at stake. Last weekend there was 185 delegates and tomorrow there is 168.
 

Tamanon

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schuelma said:
If Obama wins by 20+ tomorrow..damn that's going to be hard for Hilldog to spin that away.


Another interesting note that A. Sullivan brought up- for all of the Clinton talk about Ohio and PA being so huge, there is only 224 delegates at stake. Last weekend there was 185 delegates and tomorrow there is 168.

Giuliani's plan only had a shred of a chance of working because Florida was winner-take-all.
 

grandjedi6

Master of the Google Search
schuelma said:
If Obama wins by 20+ tomorrow..damn that's going to be hard for Hilldog to spin that away.


Another interesting note that A. Sullivan brought up- for all of the Clinton talk about Ohio and PA being so huge, there is only 224 delegates at stake. Last weekend there was 185 delegates and tomorrow there is 168.

There are 270 delegates on stake on March 4th. And Tuesday is 177 (don't forgot Democrats Abroad :p).

But yeah, the Hillary camp is spinning it. Though March 4th has alot more media hype than the other Feb. states
 

Cooter

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Even if Hillary wins Ohio and Texas she won't run away with delegates. I don't understand why she is putting such an emphasis on them. Oh wait, I know. It's because those are the only two she has a shot at actually winning.
 

syllogism

Member
Regarding Edwards:

ABC.com's Political Radar blog says it was postponed because both candidates wanted the meeting to remain secret, and didn't like all the press attention it was getting. They say it will be rescheduled. Or, it could still happen today or tomorrow, but now without the media camping out on Edwards' doorstep waiting for Obama to arrive.

Seems reasonable
 
I've never had much respect for Edwards, and if he endorses Hillary it'll only confirm my opinion on him. I don't know if the rumors about him wanting the AG spot are real, but I'd imagine Hillary is more desperate to give it to him than Obama. But honestly, most of Edwards' supporters have already moved to another candidate, and I'm not convinced he'll be a "kingmaker" in NC.
 

Piper Az

Member
Slate said:
Ungodly Crowds
COLLEGE PARK, Md. -- As I walked past thousands of people queued outside of a Barack Obama event at the University of Maryland, one guy shook his head in disbelief. "I wouldn't show up for that if God himself was coming," the guy said, "The lines are too long."

I laughed but didn't tell him that every now and then Obama thinks he's the next best thing. All Messiah talk aside, the Comcast Center on campus is absolutely jammed. Officially, the stadium's capacity is a little less than 18,000 people, and it looks like there are only a few hundred to 1,000 seats empty. Considering how many people were lined up outside, the empty seats aren't an issue of demand--it's timing. Obama is due to speak in 10 minutes.

They're killing time by playing will.i.am's "Yes, We Can" video. Everybody is standing and facing the JumboTron like it's the American flag. Instead of holding their hands over their hearts, they're holding their cameras out in front of them. Everybody's mouthing the words and clapping. One woman is already crying.

OK, this is getting ridiculous. :lol When was the last time people were soooo into politics?
 
Oh boy, we got a live one in Washington state.

GOP Chair Esser, the early days:

Like any sport worth its salt, in politics you have adversaries, opponents, enemies. Our enemies are loudmouth leftists and shiftless deadbeats. To win the election, we have to keep as many of these people away from the polls as possible.

Now your average leftist loudmouth is a committed individual and can almost never be persuaded to ignore his constitutional rights. The deadbeats, however, are a different matter entirely. Years of interminable welfare checks and free government services have made these modern-day sloths even more lazy. They will vote on election day, if it isn’t much of a bother. But even the slightest inconvenience can keep them from the polling place.

Many of the most successful anti-deadbeat voter techniques (poll taxes, sound beatings, etc.) that conservatives have used in the past have been outlawed by busybody judges.

The only means of persuasion left available to us are Acts of God, who we know is exclusively on our side. I’m talking about seriously inclement weather. I want Biblical floods and pestilence. I will settle for rain, sweet rain. The deadbeats won’t even go out in the rain for their welfare checks (they send one of their social workers to pick it up). There’s no way they’ll vote if it’s raining.


:lol

http://www.horsesass.org/?p=2193
 

Cheebs

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Tamanon said:
Oddly enough, I'd say Kennedy.
Yeah it seems that way. I have watched one too many of his rallies on c-span. It always seems like nearly 70% of his audiences are under 30. And I have heard more than once young women scream things like "I LOVE YOU BARACK" in the middle of his speech's. It's absurd.

Just about everyone I know at college and talk to knows whats going on, crazy.
 
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Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
Ungodly Crowds
COLLEGE PARK, Md. -- As I walked past thousands of people queued outside of a Barack Obama event at the University of Maryland, one guy shook his head in disbelief. "I wouldn't show up for that if God himself was coming," the guy said, "The lines are too long."

I laughed but didn't tell him that every now and then Obama thinks he's the next best thing. All Messiah talk aside, the Comcast Center on campus is absolutely jammed. Officially, the stadium's capacity is a little less than 18,000 people, and it looks like there are only a few hundred to 1,000 seats empty. Considering how many people were lined up outside, the empty seats aren't an issue of demand--it's timing. Obama is due to speak in 10 minutes.

They're killing time by playing will.i.am's "Yes, We Can" video. Everybody is standing and facing the JumboTron like it's the American flag. Instead of holding their hands over their hearts, they're holding their cameras out in front of them. Everybody's mouthing the words and clapping. One woman is already crying.

:lol

Too much.
 
All this mass hysteria... it's almost scary. People letting themselves be swept up in crowds, turning off all critical faculties. It's a good thing Hillary fans are not like that.
 

Piper Az

Member
perryfarrell said:
All this mass hysteria.. it's almost scary.

It's a bit nice to know that Obama himself is pretty level-headed. He even told people in Maine, "I will not be a perfect President."
 

pxleyes

Banned
perryfarrell said:
All this mass hysteria... it's almost scary. People letting themselves be swept up in crowds, turning off all critical faculties. It's a good thing Hillary fans are not like that.
It's a good thing for who? Not Hillary.
 

syllogism

Member
Hillary talks about last weekend

WHITE MARSH, Maryland (CNN) — Hillary Clinton on Monday explained away Barack Obama's clean sweep of the weekend's caucuses and primaries as a product of a caucus system that favors "activists" and, in the case of the Louisiana primary, an energized African-American community.

She told reporters who had gathered to watch her tour a General Motors plant here that "everybody knew, you all knew, what the likely outcome of these recent contests were."

"These are caucus states by and large, or in the case of Louisiana, you know, a very strong and very proud African-American electorate, which I totally respect and understand."

Clinton has publicly dismissed the caucus voting system since before Super Tuesday, seeking to lower expectations heading into a series of contests that played to Obama's advantage. His campaign features what many consider to be a stronger and more dedicated grassroots organization than Clinton's.

Noting that "my husband never did well in caucus states either," Clinton argued that caucuses are "primarily dominated by activists" and that "they don't represent the electorate, we know that."

The New York senator went out of her way to say she was "absolutely" looking forward to the Ohio and Texas primaries in March, where she believes voters are more receptive to her bread-and-butter message.

She also downplayed many of Obama's Super Tuesday victories, describing them states that Democrats should not expect to win in November.

"It is highly unlikely we will win Alaska or North Dakota or Idaho or Nebraska," she said, naming several of Obama's red state wins. "But we have to win Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Florida, Michigan … And we've got to be competitive in places like Texas, Missouri and Oklahoma."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/11/clinton-dismisses-weekend-losses/

Haha, Texas? Really Hillary?
 

RubxQub

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Loudninja said:
Florida? .....
She says Florida AND Michigan.

GO HILLARY! WIN DEM STATES
 
Piper Az said:
OK, this is getting ridiculous. :lol When was the last time people were soooo into politics?

I was there...heres a quick jpeg using the campus map to show how long the line was. You don't get a good sense of scale from this, as the line was easily over a mile and was atleast 5 people wide.

4iis87.jpg


Where the line ends on the bottom right is where it enters the building.

This was also when the stadium was near capacity, so that doesn't count the 12k or so that were already inside.
 
PhoenixDark said:
Now you've gone too far

obama will change how you view politics in the 21st century just like rakim changed how lyricism was viewed in hip-hop back when paid in full came out in '86. "to me, MC means move the crowd" and you can't say obama hasn't done the same

hahaha
 
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