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The last few hours of MGS2 were just too crazy for me not to love it, probably played that 4 times just to hear the Colonel's glitchy lines of dialogue, they are pretty humorous.
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And that would be the correct order.
But... wouldn't that put MGS1 at the top? (⌐■_■
I don't think MGS1's story was as emotional for people as MGS3's. Both were relatively straight forward though which helped players to connect with the games more.
MGS2 and MGS4 were relatively convoluted. MGS2 mind fucked people. And MGS4's story just pissed some people off with how Kojima ended everything.
Not even close
immortal-joe
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The balls Kojima had to do what he did in MGS 2 should be loaded into a cannon and fired directly at this thread.
MGS3 is easily the best in the series. The sheer amount of emotion it brought out of me makes it perhaps my favorite or second favorite game of all time. I'm also glad I played it when I was 14 (when Subsistence first came out, back in 06) because although I still appreciate the plotline, I wouldn't have felt as emotional if I played it now.
Thank you so much, Kojima. You will forever be in the annals of video gaming history.
Thank you so much, Kojima. You will forever be in the annals of video gaming history.
Hobbestetrician
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I have only played MGS 1 (well, The Twin Snakes, and I loved it. Come at me, GAF) and just finished MGS 4 (also loved it, come at me again) so it looks like I am in for quite a treat when I pick up the HD collection. Very excited.
GTFO.
Augemitbutter
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can't go wrong with any kind of ranking. all games are great.
Ever think that maybe people played PW but preferred MGS4?
The original MGS is available as a PSOne Classic on PSN for $10 and can be played on PS3.
HD Collection includes MGS2, MGS3, and MGS Peace Walker for $40. I would recommend getting it on PS3 because MGS3 uses the pressure sensitive buttons.
MGS4 is a PS3 Greatest Hit and can be bought for $20.
Honestly, as much as I hated the direction that MGS4 ends up going in by game's end, the gameplay (when it was there) was really good and definitely stood up to MGS3. PW is so dumbed down in comparison.
Bah, gaf, you've failed me. MGS3 plays like crap compared to the others. I feel like the vision they had and what they did were almost miles apart. They needed to update the gameplay and controls before they could open up the environments. I just get so frustrated when I play 3, compared to some of the others.
Total troll or worst GAF poster ever? I can't decide.
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Retro_
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Why do you say that though?
People always go "everything after the tanker is garbage" but never specify why
Forgot cluttered control scheme littered with useless player actions.
(I like MGS3 alot too but I think it's the most flawed of the original trilogy and don't get the reverence towards its story at all. I mean it started the trend of sappy endings in Metal Gear games)
I feel the same. Hated MGS3's camo shit and felt it had the most clunky gameplay of the series. I don't hate the whole game though, just don't like playing it as I don't find it as fun.
I'd rather watch a walkthrough on youtube of it now, because I did like the codec convos and the story developments.
At least people have gotten over that on this forum. There are people who blatantly hate the game just because of this and have never given it a chance...
Because it just had a loss less detail than the Tanker and a somewhat uninspired design. It's not exactly a fair comparison, considering the small size of the Tanker, but there's no doubt that the Big Shell was just must less impressive from a design standpoint than the Tanker.
That, and the Tanker features Solid Snake as the playable character and a tightly paced plot with interesting developments every few minutes. Once the Plant chapter starts, things start to get... weird. Raiden is introduced, much to the chagrin of most players, and long codec conversations become the primary vessel for exposition.
I still love MGS2, but I just wanted to shed some light on why some of us feel that the game went downhill after the Tanker.
King of the Potato People
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"You're pretty good."
Is MGS3's ending really that sappy outside of EVA's debriefing? It's a huge downer for everyone involved.
Honestly, MGS2's ending qualifies better as being sappy before MGS3 does.
King of the Potato People
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I adore MGS2 but these were the serious issues and part of me wanted to vote for it in number 1 just for being as brave as it was.If there was any sanity left in the world 2 would've won.
- Once you’ve entered the plant, the colonel sends you messages that are automatically answered, about how to swim, how to drag a guard, how to hang etc This was about two hours into the game when most fans have already made their way through a non-linear, complex tanker. The hand-holding slowed the pace down and only during the bomb hunting was when Raiden had the freedom to explore. Really the Dead Cell’s members introductions shouldn’t have been grouped together and instead paced more separately. What we had there was about an hour of exposition with a few minutes of gameplay.
- Uncut dialogue: for example the patriots take about 10 minutes to rant about how humans are tools, controllable and not mature. This didn’t need as much exposition to explain. A few short lines would have been good enough.
- Again I don’t mind it, but the bomb hunting was literally running in circles… I mean hexagons. It’s not exactly great design.
- Melodrama: E.E’s moaning about being scared of water, or the sob story about Hal’s affair, does anyone enjoy this stuff except Hideo? None of it has any bearing in the grand scheme of things. And you know Rose nagging the player, I know she’s suppose to be like a creation to Raiden, or is being asked by the colonel to test emotions on the battlefield but it’s still not fun to listen to.
- Why does Ocelot… whilst being controlled by the arm, well not kill a handcuffed Snake? He just dives away.
- "Switch to nano-communication so no one can listen in" Yeah it makes sense in a kojimaway but it makes the cut-scenes more boring.
I won't complain about Raiden, he's great!
I can find questionable decisions in all the MGS games but having just finished 2 recently, these spring to mind.
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Retro_
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That's the ending though! lol
It was the same as MGS1's.
Both of which I liked for being extremely cheerful/optimistic in tone when compared to later entries.
I don't buy this explanation because that doesn't explain people essentially calling it hot garbage
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Retro_
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On the subject of the stories I always thought it was weird when people said MGS2 fucked up the canon.
I always thought the worst aspects of the games after 3 were the parts that tried to tie that game to the rest of the series.
I don't hate those acts though. Just some of the game design decisions that accompany them.
I actually like act 4 alot more than 2. Act 2 had such weird pacing.
So that analogy is just as meaningless to me as "tanker is the worst designed piece of garbage in the entire series"
I always thought the worst aspects of the games after 3 were the parts that tried to tie that game to the rest of the series.
I don't hate those acts though. Just some of the game design decisions that accompany them.
I actually like act 4 alot more than 2. Act 2 had such weird pacing.
So that analogy is just as meaningless to me as "tanker is the worst designed piece of garbage in the entire series"
I hardly ever see anyone claiming that MGS2 ruined the canon. MGS4, on the other hand...
whalleywhat
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GAF is wrong. I'll tell you why, I've just got to hop into this menu and change my camo first.
EmCeeGramr
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i like how scoularis went like two seconds before making it incredibly obvious this whole thing was an excuse to say his opinion is right and others are wrong
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Retro_
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Really?
I thought it was a pretty common claim against its story among people that dislike the game.
I think I've even read professional articles about the games that claim that.
And when, exactly, did I do anything of the sort?
If you are referring to the rankings, they don't match up with my own.
Mine was MGS1 > MGS3 > MGS4 > MGS2.
Yay, I was quoted in the OP!
I'm ok with the rankings (and happy about MGS3 being first) but I still don't really understand why people rank 2 above 4. The most common major complaint with MGS4 seems to be the convoluted story, but MGS2 is just as guilty, if not more so, in this regard. Plus MGS4 has some of the best/most refined gameplay in the series (although I'll admit, MGS2 is no slouch there either). Oh well, MGS2 is still a great game so I'm not that upset.
I'm ok with the rankings (and happy about MGS3 being first) but I still don't really understand why people rank 2 above 4. The most common major complaint with MGS4 seems to be the convoluted story, but MGS2 is just as guilty, if not more so, in this regard. Plus MGS4 has some of the best/most refined gameplay in the series (although I'll admit, MGS2 is no slouch there either). Oh well, MGS2 is still a great game so I'm not that upset.
EmCeeGramr
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MGS2 did some bold stuff with its story that could have been played safe.
MGS4 feels like a trip down to Unnecessary Fanservice Station.
Unknown One
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MGS2 rightfully above MGS4. I'm satisfied.
IdreamofHIME
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PO has such a great little story, but the controls are some of the worst on the PSP and the missions are so repetitive.
It was one of the reasons I actually bought a PSP in the 1st place.
It was one of the reasons I actually bought a PSP in the 1st place.
shinobi602
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First MGS still the best imo.
Thank you sir. This will probably be my next game purchase!
LiquidSolid
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The other bits in my post weren't enough? Fine, here:
- Poor level design. The big ring of buildings you had to run around really hampered them and made for a lot of boring areas that you ran back and forwards through. Even after you leave that though, you're basically on a very straight, narrow path all the way to the end.
- The set pieces sucked. The sniper bit was somewhat fun albeit really easy and the shootouts alongside Snake weren't that great. Compare those set pieces to the ones in MGS1 (the shootout up the tower, abseiling down the tower, stealth suits on the elevator, etc) and it's a no contest.
- The bosses were the worst in the series by far. Self explanatory. You couldn't even win two of them (Raiden gives up fighting the Ray's), Fatman was annoying more than challenging and Vamp didn't even die.
- The script sucked. Kojima obviously thought way too highly of his writing skills after MGS1 and came up with a complete mess. The story was idiotic and it ultimately ended up hurting the series as they were stuck with wrapping that crap up in MGS4. Plus the cutscenes go on WAY too long and it had a ton of redundant dialogue (MGS3 and MGS4 suffer from those last two as well, but they're a bit improved).
Enough? I could go on about how the game will often treat you like a baby even if you've finished the Tanker ("would you like to save Raiden?" 10 minutes into the game) and a couple of other things I remembered when playing the HD version not so long ago but I think I've made my point. If the Plant was meant to be a MGS1 remake it did a pretty horrible job at replicating what made MGS1 so fantastic.
MGS1 > MGS3 > MGS PW > MGS4 > MGS2 > MGS PO >>>> MGS TTS
bone_and_sinew
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Well I'll say it. The story would be infinitely better without the Patriots. I don't blame MGS4 for being what it was since it was tasked with cleaning up the mess MGS2 started, which by then the overarching story was unredeemable after Portable Ops (which I pretend isn't canon).