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Official Square Enix Press Conference thread
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Eteric Rice
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Bebpo said:
Doesn't mean it "is" the best looking game of that era.
Mefisutoferesu
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Is tri-ace a bunch of graphics geeks or TECH geeks? If they're tech geeks it's not surprising they choose PS2 as it was probably the most off beat architecture of the three... and in general frankly.
Because maybe MS got to them first and offered them tons of money to develop for them?Jamesfrom818 said:
Yes, they are about pushing console technology to its limits... it's just so happens that an effect of pushing a console above and beyond is stunning visuals.Mefisutoferesu said:
Mefisutoferesu
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Unfortunately, no, that's not always the case. See, if you're a hardware geek, then potentially the PS2 is something very different and interesting to work on. Being a tech geek isn't about pushing hardware necsesarily, yeah they can go hand in hand, but more about having fun and an interest in playing around with new and different hardware, like PS2. There's been numerous devs that have gone on to say as much, as well. Take Crmack for example, Doom3's engine was basically born from his desire to make a unified lighting engine. He was tinkering in that geeky sort of way some devs do with hardware like the PS2. There's a difference from getting a pretty, high performance engine and geeky tinkering.icecream said:Yes, they are about pushing console technology to its limits... it's just so happens that an effect of pushing a console above and beyond is stunning visuals.
Well in this case, Tri-Ace is known for pushing consoles in terms of its capabilities. In order to do that, one would have to have an interest in pushing around the hardware in ways that others wouldn't. I'm not sure what the point of discering the term is when my original statement was to distinguish them as not developers who focus solely on producing the nicest picture possible but utilizing the best of what they have.Mefisutoferesu said:
It really is nice.Bebpo said:
Red Scarlet
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StevieP said:
So is this the return of racing games on DC vs PS2?!
Doom_Bringer
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Bebpo said:
neah he is a hater. He said motorstorm was "quite jaggy."
Bizarro Sun Yat-sen
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DETS wasn't developed by Square.
Bizarro Sun Yat-sen
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FF4's design team (6 people) is all still there except for Sakaguchi. Secret of Mana's design team (5 people) is all there except for Goro Ohashi (battle system design, left for Sacnoth) although level designer Toshiyuki Inoue transferred to the PR department so he's not really working directly on games anymore.
Bebpo said:
Find a non-bullshot. That has faked FSAA, so it's not going to look like that on your screen. Aside from that, the texture work and the lighting in that photo is great.
I'm a hater? Correct me if I'm blind, but I see jaggies in that photo. At the very best, there is 2xAA applied (which, on most LCD sets, renders it almost moot).
That's not THAT jaggy.
http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/5366/1079_0004.jpg
The new army of two screenshots are really jaggy.
http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/5366/1079_0004.jpg
The new army of two screenshots are really jaggy.
Red Scarlet
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StevieP said:Find a non-bullshot. That has faked FSAA, so it's not going to look like that on your screen. Aside from that, the texture work and the lighting in that photo is great.
I'm a hater? Correct me if I'm blind, but I see jaggies in that photo. At the very best, there is 2xAA applied (which, on most LCD sets, renders it almost moot).
Um, who cares? Does a jaggy make a game unplayable or what?
Red Scarlet said:
No. But people think the HD consoles are capable of all kinds of FSAA thanks to the bullshots, and it's just wrong. (Hell, some people even want it on the Wii, and that's just ridiculous). Thanks to the 10mb framebuffer, engines on the 360 have to use tiled AA instead of FSAA. And if devs want to do HDR on the PS3, they have to put more effort than it takes for 24-bit frames on Wii. Everytime I see a bullshot posted and people getting excited, I cringe. Then when REAL screens get released (case in point, the leaked Mass Effect screens, or the Beautiful Katamari screens) people bitch endlessly about "downgrade" etc etc. These are the same people who wander into Wii threads, where bullshots are the exception rather than the rule, and bitch endlessly how much better they could look with AA/AF etc etc (wherein those effects are extremely rare on the HD consoles as well).
That said, those whole discussion came to be because of the ridiculous discussions that took place in this thread (i.e. PS2 > GC/XBox visuals, clean image, Motorstorm hater, publishers don't control devs - processors do, apparently, etc etc). To be honest, this thread shouldn't be open anymore. It's so far off course that you're better off sticking to the summary thread for this same damn information without the trainwrecks.