Psychotext
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Bah... I can't. My memory card is broken so I can't get my profile over to it so I can load the other levels.Psychotext said:
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Official Xbox 360 Game Installs thread
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TheGreatDave
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Has anybody tried playing Rock Band (1) and GH:WT? I need my songs to load quicker in both...
Kill Your Masters
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This.acm2000 said:thats the games fault, it doesnt use HDD cache at all, so has to decompress everything etc, iso on the hdd isnt gonna speed that up much, they never did patch it to support hdd cache
To be honest I don't care whether there is small or non improvement. Heck, give me even 1-2 seconds more loading, as long as the dvd drive doesn't spin.
Less noise
Little bit faster loading
No danger of scratched discs
Profit
Well, I'm getting tempted to buy a 120gb so I can actually install games, but then again the price of a retail one is just insane.
Anyone know if there's any drawback with buying a used 120gb drive? If I buy a used drive and a transfer kit, can I easily move all my data from my old 20gb to the 120gb? Or does that only work with new un-used 120gb drives?
Anyone know if there's any drawback with buying a used 120gb drive? If I buy a used drive and a transfer kit, can I easily move all my data from my old 20gb to the 120gb? Or does that only work with new un-used 120gb drives?
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
TheGreatDave
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Hellraizer said:
For some games I'd take increased load times. I'd wait 10 minutes for Crackdown to boot up to avoid hearing my fucking console screaming internally while it plays.
CurseoftheGods
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Thanks for the VF5 numbers, guys. I'm definitely installing it to shorten that initial load.
drakesfortune
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Do you still have to swap disks in Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon or can you just leave the first disk in?
AgentOtaku
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drakesfortune said:
you have to install what your currently playing ....so if your on Disc2 in BD, then you gotta have disc2 installed and run from that
masterkajo
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I guess it would be about 50-60 hours if you had waited for the install feature... :lolDarunia said:
Imperial Hot
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What's the deal with Halo 3, I was going to install it but it supposedly makes the loads longer?
Can someone please explain? You would think that one of Microsoft's marquee titles would have been checked to work well with Game Installs.
Can someone please explain? You would think that one of Microsoft's marquee titles would have been checked to work well with Game Installs.
NekoFever
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Seeing the explanation for Halo, that might explain the stuttering with PGR4. It could cache game data and stream audio from the disc, so running it all from the HDD gives it less bandwidth and so bottlenecks it. That's my theory.
I might go back to Lost Odyssey based on that comparison. I don't remember things being that bad but it could definitely get annoying in dungeons.
I might go back to Lost Odyssey based on that comparison. I don't remember things being that bad but it could definitely get annoying in dungeons.
As for Lost Odyssey, do we have to install all 4 DVDs at once? or can we install them one at a time? I've never even been able to go pass half of Disc1 because the drive can't even read it anymore hopefully it will be able to install instead...
Edit: How's this going to affect rentals? Won't we essentially be able to rent install return profit?
Edit: How's this going to affect rentals? Won't we essentially be able to rent install return profit?
Installed Ninja Gaiden 2.
On Acolyte*, there is a noticably reduced slowdown; even the 1 billion ninjas staircase feels a little bit faster. Also, there are practically no mid level loads and no quick menu loads. I encountered a few, but it just said "loading" and the game did not freeze.
On Warrior*, same as as above.
On Mentor, same as above, except the slowdown is just about pre-hdd levels.
On Master Ninja, slowdown is just about the same as mentor, with no loads.
Chapter intro loads are about 4secs shorter.
Also, the controls are now MUCH more responsive imo. Before, I used to feel this weird lag just after I press a button. Now, it's much easeir to pull of stun evasion dashes and stuff.
Tested on a flatscreen CRT. Can anyone confirm some of this?
*EDIT: I just realized that I am comparing my second NG2 playthrough of Acolyte and Warrior to those at pre-patch levels. That pretty much means that the slowdown being reduced is due to the patch, NOT the HDD. Mentor and Master Ninja are post-patch though, so those still hold.
On Acolyte*, there is a noticably reduced slowdown; even the 1 billion ninjas staircase feels a little bit faster. Also, there are practically no mid level loads and no quick menu loads. I encountered a few, but it just said "loading" and the game did not freeze.
On Warrior*, same as as above.
On Mentor, same as above, except the slowdown is just about pre-hdd levels.
On Master Ninja, slowdown is just about the same as mentor, with no loads.
Chapter intro loads are about 4secs shorter.
Also, the controls are now MUCH more responsive imo. Before, I used to feel this weird lag just after I press a button. Now, it's much easeir to pull of stun evasion dashes and stuff.
Tested on a flatscreen CRT. Can anyone confirm some of this?
*EDIT: I just realized that I am comparing my second NG2 playthrough of Acolyte and Warrior to those at pre-patch levels. That pretty much means that the slowdown being reduced is due to the patch, NOT the HDD. Mentor and Master Ninja are post-patch though, so those still hold.
I wonder if it actually would be harmful to install games that cache to the HDD so heavily like Halo 3. Would the drive head going back and forth between the disk image and the drive cache so much introduce extra wear on the hard drive? Probably not because I'm sure the drives are rated for a ton of read and write cycles, but still something to think about.
Grimm Fandango
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Deadly said:
Read the bloody OP.
Psychotext
Member
With the help of my nephew as an unwilling assistant I've managed to do some Halo 3 load time comparisons. Sadly I had to use two different machines as I don't have a working memory card here but it's still pretty interesting.
To do each test we went to the campaign screen and timed from pressing the button on the "Mission Start" option of each level until the loading was complete and the mission was ready to start. As we know, filling the HDD cache results in the initial load time being pretty long... but it's not something loading without the HDD attached suffers from. Also, once the cache is filled, loading the level a second time is much faster (faster than without the HDD attached). Until the cache is overwritten of course.
Results
Caching: DVD & HDD (Filling cache, first load)
Cached: DVD & HDD (Cache present, second load)
DVD: DVD Only (No HDD attached to cache to, profile on memory card)
EG Installed: Eurogamer article times for running from the install.
From what I could tell, the cache will only hold two levels, so if you load like this:
Sierra 117,
Crows Nest,
Tsavo Highway
When you cache Tsavo Highway the cache for Sierra 117 is overwritten (This may vary depending on the size of the level, I don't know). To test the cached load times I did the loading / testing in the following order.
Sierra 117 - Ignored
Crows Nest - Ignored
Sierra 117 - Test 2
Tsavo Highway - Test 1
Crows Nest - Test 2
The Storm - Test 1
Tsavo Highway - Test 2
...
Sierra 117 - Test 1
Halo - Test 2
Crows Nest - Test 1
Yes... I'm a nerd. Hopefully someone else finds this interesting though. :lol
To do each test we went to the campaign screen and timed from pressing the button on the "Mission Start" option of each level until the loading was complete and the mission was ready to start. As we know, filling the HDD cache results in the initial load time being pretty long... but it's not something loading without the HDD attached suffers from. Also, once the cache is filled, loading the level a second time is much faster (faster than without the HDD attached). Until the cache is overwritten of course.
Results
Caching: DVD & HDD (Filling cache, first load)
Cached: DVD & HDD (Cache present, second load)
DVD: DVD Only (No HDD attached to cache to, profile on memory card)
EG Installed: Eurogamer article times for running from the install.
Code:
[B]Caching Cached DVD EG Installed[/B]
Sierra 117 66.2s 12.5s 25.2s 53.0s
Crows Nest 85.6s 14.2s 23.6s 70.0s
Tsavo Highway 72.0s 9.5s 18.6s 57.0s
The Storm 84.4s 11.3s 21.9s 64.0s
Floodgate 80.6s 12.3s 25.2s 64.5s
The Ark 88.2s 13.4s 28.5s 69.0s
The Covenant 99.3s 11.5s 24.2s 78.0s
Cortana 59.3s 9.5s 14.5s 48.5s
Halo 81.3s 12.7s 22.1s 65.0sFrom what I could tell, the cache will only hold two levels, so if you load like this:
Sierra 117,
Crows Nest,
Tsavo Highway
When you cache Tsavo Highway the cache for Sierra 117 is overwritten (This may vary depending on the size of the level, I don't know). To test the cached load times I did the loading / testing in the following order.
Sierra 117 - Ignored
Crows Nest - Ignored
Sierra 117 - Test 2
Tsavo Highway - Test 1
Crows Nest - Test 2
The Storm - Test 1
Tsavo Highway - Test 2
...
Sierra 117 - Test 1
Halo - Test 2
Crows Nest - Test 1
Yes... I'm a nerd. Hopefully someone else finds this interesting though. :lol
Psychotext
Member
Oh, and re the results vs the EG installed... I'm not sure why they're quicker than the first load times on my system. I can't tell if they use a different methodology or if it's something else entirely. I'll use the same method again to do the test after I get the new dashboard.
a Master Ninja
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It's quite possible the guy has a terrible disc drive. Did the "loading from the HDD" part seem like an improvement over what you are used to?Wario64 said:
2 Minutes Turkish
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What the fuck at both Halo 3 AND Crackdown.
GitarooMan
Member
Just picked up a 120GB on clearance at Target, can't wait till next week. I'm definitely tempted to start up Lost Odyssey again, and I'll definitely be installing Tiger 09, which seems to incessantly access the disc.
LunaticPuma
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Flyguy said:
I picked my 120 gb HDD up for $90+tax.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I am glad I didn't trade in LO... the slowness of that game, and the load times were part of it, really turned me off. I may try it again when I get a 120gb hard drive, which will be soon (sad thing is, I will be paying almost 2X more for it than the 640gb SATA drive I just bought for my PC... fucking Microsoft). Mass Effect might be worth another go, too. I might put off playing Fable 2 until then, too, I hear it helps clear up some of those load times to menus.
This is a really good feature.
This is a really good feature.
Demonracer999
Member
Great thread. Bad beat about Halo 3 but HDD installs are all about noise/wear and tear reduction in my eyes. Loading reduction seems like an added benefit.
Classic_Gs
Member
Bad ass, great thread btw.Sean said:
Ken Masters
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fantastic and much needed thread
Classic_Gs
Member
I was thinking the exact same thing.Amon37 said:
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