Admiral Woofington
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You just reminded me Benicio deserves so much for Sicario. Whatever problem you might have with the movie there's no denying he was amazing
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Oscar nominee Charlotte Rampling says diversity row is 'racist to white people'
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Unless it's overt, there are people who don't pick up on inequality, and believe talking about it is harmful.
From anecdotal experience, I've heard several people accuse President Obama of being "racist" because he's spoken about inequality in America.
To be honest, Netflix probably hurt Elba than anything else involving Beasts of No Nation. But to be fair, it's not like there's been a Netflix narrative film before this year.
As shitty as it sounds, there's a world of difference between a documentary and a prestige film in terms of exposure to more business-minded voters. Voters are largely not going to care where a documentary because they're not a threat to any business that they normally handle. Beasts of No Nation is supplanting traditional distribution methods and outright rejected the industry's "soft" VOD-after-90-days standard. There are absolutely politics involved with its snobbery.
All three of those films observed the minimum requirements for eligibility to be voted on.
DontBeThatGuy
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She sounds like a real piece of work.
A Link to the Past
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Well I do know that she expressed an anti-diversity position and claimed in so many words that racism was over. That's all I care to know about her.
No problem.
It's certainly not like what I said couldn't have been said by a truly egregious poster.Big Baybee
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She said some dumb racist shit and has no one but herself to blame if people are judging her on the dumb racist thing she said. No one forced her to say it.
Admiral Woofington
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Im not forgetting. Oscar and Benicio were amazing this year
CaviarMeths
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Is this...
Is this supposed to be ironic or sarcastic?
Because everyone seems to be ignoring the neo-nazi propaganda here. I feel like there's an in-joke I'm missing.
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Ziltoidia 9
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I haven't seen some of the movies that people cite as examples (Michael B Jordan for instance) towards actors that should have been nominated. But really, the Oscars are more political towards their own people, I doubt he wasn't chosen purely based on race.
Also though, racism isn't exclusive to whites only. In america, whites are typically who do the most oppression, but racism happens around the world in different countries towards different people.
With all that said, the main topic is about, Charlotte Rampling is wrong. It shouldn't be about the pure angle of being DIVERSE. It should be about picking the best jobs done (which it already wasn't, since again, Hollywood scratches each others backs). Its pretty low brow of her, to be honest. On the surface it seems that she feels like every time a minority receives an award, nomination, accepted to a college, ec, it is because they didn't earn it.
Movies are freaking subjective, so its hard to pick what and who are the stand outs for the year. Based on a lot of reactions and how good Creed appears to be (I haven't seen it), you would think he would have gotten the nomination.
I hope she loses so the person that wins can say "Guess she wasn't good enough."
Also though, racism isn't exclusive to whites only. In america, whites are typically who do the most oppression, but racism happens around the world in different countries towards different people.
With all that said, the main topic is about, Charlotte Rampling is wrong. It shouldn't be about the pure angle of being DIVERSE. It should be about picking the best jobs done (which it already wasn't, since again, Hollywood scratches each others backs). Its pretty low brow of her, to be honest. On the surface it seems that she feels like every time a minority receives an award, nomination, accepted to a college, ec, it is because they didn't earn it.
Movies are freaking subjective, so its hard to pick what and who are the stand outs for the year. Based on a lot of reactions and how good Creed appears to be (I haven't seen it), you would think he would have gotten the nomination.
I hope she loses so the person that wins can say "Guess she wasn't good enough."
I totally get that, but that's not what the media suggests when all you hear is "Black people were snubbed this year so Spike Lee and Will Smith and his wife are boycotting the oscars"
A lot of people don't know who is in charge of voting for the oscars so when they hear about these boycotts of misrepresentation, they assume it's just groups of people complaining because they aren't recognized.
A Link to the Past
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And of those, I would expect that they would double-down when informed. I've already had it happen twice.
Charlotte Rampling is an amazing actor. Her performance in "45 Years" is outstanding. People here calling her dumb simply because her view doesn't fit yours, is..well..dumb.
I think she has a point. Then again, my problem is that the whole academy is fucked up. It's more about lobbying and brown-nosing than it is about giving the right awards to the right people.
When movies that hit about 50-60% on Rotten or Meta, get nominated for Best Picture, that should set off some alarms.
I think she has a point. Then again, my problem is that the whole academy is fucked up. It's more about lobbying and brown-nosing than it is about giving the right awards to the right people.
When movies that hit about 50-60% on Rotten or Meta, get nominated for Best Picture, that should set off some alarms.
Space Monster
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I just have to say this is the most racist statement I have ever read on NeoGAF. I can't even.
Flying Toaster
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Maybe make the Oscars bigger. You make a film be it an actor, director, makeup artist. You get a vote.
Gordon Shumway
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lol..
Scientist Supreme!
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Explain.
Because I can't possible see what it is.
Jzero
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The problem i have with the statement is that i see it on OKCupid all the time along with the words "No whites/hipsters/gentrifiers"
What the hell is this.
MHWilliams
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And hey, the thing is "black" is the second line in the Hollywood list of priority. Hispanic viewers buy more tickets than most demographics and are vastly underrepresented in cinema. Asian actors barely get any play. Native American? Not much out there for you.
LGBT? You're more likely to win an Oscar being a straight person playing an LGBT character.
And the lack of opportunities feeds into this idea that there are no amazing actors of color. Few amazing women that can anchor a film. Few great LGBT actors. It's depressing.
LGBT? You're more likely to win an Oscar being a straight person playing an LGBT character.
And the lack of opportunities feeds into this idea that there are no amazing actors of color. Few amazing women that can anchor a film. Few great LGBT actors. It's depressing.
A Link to the Past
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What point is valid? Is it the one where she claims that everyone is more-or-less accepted? Or that "what if black people just weren't talented enough this year?"
It's satirical.
What she said wasn't even close to being racist. At best it was tone deaf.
How is she against diversity? Where did she say we SHOULDN'T have minorities. She made the comment that why is there an imperative which is a far cry from being ANTI-diversity.
And she didn't say racism was over. I'm sure many people take her comments to be reflective of the media, and not "the world" because what person sits back and thinks racism is over?
Better yet. What's the requirements for voting so people can stop using racism as a excuse.
MiniBossBattle
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If I learned anything, 65 year olds,regardless of race, don't care what millennials are yelling at them to do.
I do agree that there needs to be more diversity in the academy pool but I guess age-ism and having years of film experience is a negative.
In regards to campaigning, its real though again, ironically, you are not going to effect the older pool of voters. Funny to see how a family friend reacts to campaigning.
Bobby Roberts
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This is kind of a non-sequitur, ain't it? There's a lot of fucking dumb actors. Just because they're good at acting doesn't actually make them immune to stupidity. The two aren't necessarily linked at all.
I'm also curious as to what about her point you actually agree with.
A Link to the Past
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A bit redundant given your Junior status, but I think that speaks more to your lack of exposure to this forum. Even if what he said was racist, I've actively seen:
1. Literal white supremacy;
2. An anonymous white supremacist teacher who cheated a black student out of graduating; and
3. Patrol
Damn, really disappointing comments from Rampling and Caine. I respect them both hugely as actors and I agree she gave the best performance of last year, but they're talking some ignorant crap here.
However, this is some bullshit. Ruffalo was amazing. One hokey scene doesn't negate the rest of the film where he absolutely nailed the performance. A much harder role to nail than those of most of the other nominated actors as well.
However, this is some bullshit. Ruffalo was amazing. One hokey scene doesn't negate the rest of the film where he absolutely nailed the performance. A much harder role to nail than those of most of the other nominated actors as well.
paradox121
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I hate that both of them seem to characterise it as if the vast majority of black actors are totally undeserving and could only have been included as a 'token' thing. I don't think there would be such a furore if there wasn't an abundance of deserving black actors.
The argument that 'maybe they weren't good enough' drives me mad. As if there's some grand acting metric that everyone is judged by.
Thewonandonly
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Here's what my input is. I don't think we should meet a quota of black peoples being nominated it just shouldn't be that way. The awards should be about art and that's it. If there are no black people nominated then damn I guess white people destroyed that year. If all black people are nominated then damn I guess black people destroyed that year. Do you get what I'm saying.
Now best actor doesn't matter because Leo gots it in the back. But what is fishy is why yo boy from beast of no nation didn't get a nomination. He was fucking fantastic in that movie and should get a nomination. Same with idris Elba who was fantastic as the supporting role. So for those two reason I can see why this whole thing is fishy. But the way to solve it is not to meet a quota. It's to get rid of the old racist farts that vote and get some new blood in.
Now best actor doesn't matter because Leo gots it in the back. But what is fishy is why yo boy from beast of no nation didn't get a nomination. He was fucking fantastic in that movie and should get a nomination. Same with idris Elba who was fantastic as the supporting role. So for those two reason I can see why this whole thing is fishy. But the way to solve it is not to meet a quota. It's to get rid of the old racist farts that vote and get some new blood in.
Gordon Shumway
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Wow. Genocide. That's a pretty liberal use of the word, even for GAF.
A point she made, which isn't hard to agree with, is that demanding their be diversity/minority nominations simply for the sake of diversity isn't the answer.
Do you think structural racism affects white people in this country?
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The truth is that the Academy and the film industry doesn't want to nominate television performances. So there is probably more to those snubs than racism
A Link to the Past
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If I learned anything, 65 year olds,regardless of race, don't care what millennials are yelling at them to do.
I do agree that there needs to be more diversity in the academy pool but I guess age-ism and having years of film experience is a negative.
In regards to campaigning, its real though again, ironically, you are not going to effect the older pool of voters. Funny to see how a family friend reacts to campaigning.
The age of the people in the judging pool indicates that they have been in the Academy since the "olden days", which suggests that they retain the biases of that era.
1. She suggested that two years of POC snubbing was because hey what if they weren't good enough
2. How exactly can widespread racism still exist if, according to her, everyone is pretty much accepted?
But no one said they should at least not here so why bring it up?
LegendofLex
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I think what you're saying is that there can be no racist oppression/marginalization/whatever other word you want to use that applies to systemic bias against white people, right? Because structurally speaking whites dominate the vehicles that could be used for systemic racism?
gutter_trash
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as someone who has stopped watching the Oscars for quite some time, I'm gonna PVR this thing for Chris Rock.
I hope Chirs rips the Academy to shreds
I hope Chirs rips the Academy to shreds
Yea because people never lurk before joining..nice condescension though.
Sorry no. He does nothing for the whole movie, but pretend to be the precocious annoying young guy. But it's not even believable as the only young thing about him is his lloyd christmas hair cut. And his boston accent was bad to nonexistent. That scene was so oscar baitish it took me out of the movie.
Protecting the sanctity of the illusion of "meritocracy"--especially when you are a beneficiary of that system--is always more important than actually looking at systems objectively and asking why they do not pan out as you might otherwise expect. This leads to folks accepting defacto supremacy on arbitrary lines, eg racial, gender, etc.
You should google diversity equals white genocide.
I interpret her point as being to label the Oscars as racist because there are no black nominations is kind of impulsive when perhaps the intent of the voters wasn't racist at all. However that's impossible to prove or disprove, so to at least boycott in attempt to present more diversity in Hollywood, they're making an effort to do so instead of not voicing how they feel Hollywood should change for the better.
But, her statement seemed a little more aggressive than that in a sense and in her "boycotts are racist towards whites" point.
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