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OSL Grand Finals Flash vs Jaedong (Again x 7) - Thread of Last BW OSL?
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i don't see how JD can win
Flash really is the greatest Broodwar player of all time. Not only does he now hold the highest award possible, but he's done it today, when Broodwar's average and peak skill level is far higher than it ever was, and against Jaedong, the most difficult opponent he could have ever faced, on a map that Terran can almost never win.
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Zzoram said:
Well.
Let's be fair; there's only one starting position that is unfair for Terran on that map, and Flash wasn't in it.
Still a Zerg favored map even if Terran gets 3, to be sure, but not a "Terran can almost never win" map, anymore.
And yeah, Flash is definitely the most skilled player to ever play the game, with Jaedong second.
Who is third?
Imo Flash and JD are so far ahead everyone else is in another category.Mumei said:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/detailed-elo
With a near 70% WR across the board FlaSh is the undisputed best player.
Hazaro said:
Actually Flash is pretty much in his own category now. He's beaten Jaedong in concurrent MSL/OSL finals convincingly. He beat Jaedoing in the last finals (MSL) that they played. Jaedong is the only one who can even put up a fight, but he can't beat Flash anymore. The only game he won today was a 4pool.
GhostRidah
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pay them millions, but blizz is to cheap for thatZzoram said:
spoon! said:
I do think that there is a slight imbalance, but I think it is a difficult conversation to have because fanboys seem to think that it is an attempt to delegitimize Flash's wins.
With that said, I think that overall the difference is fairly small (what, like 53 - 54% TvZ? That's about as good as white's record against black in chess :lol), and it only seems truly salient at the very highest levels of play. Even then, they might have something to complain about if they could argue that Jaedong was outplaying Flash or even playing evenly, but he wasn't.
So, basically, I do think that there's an imbalance, but it's not something that you can legitimately complain about when you were outplayed without even considering balance.
Agree. Without going into the balance debate, JD got his head done in by Flash on EotS. I can believe that JD planned to 4 pool on PR going into the finals. But to do the exact same cheese again on Grand Line, then resorting to trickery on zergliner says everything about the confidence he had in his play once he got in the booth. As he said himself, the game he brought today was embarrassing. The sick thing is if he played the same against Fantasy, I could only imagine a 3-1 result for JD at worst :lolMumei said:
Zzoram said:
Legitimately? Probably Fantasy or Light would have a fair chance. Light very nearly did it, and so did Fantasy. On the right maps, maybe Sea could (well, maybe not, thinking about MSL), and fOrGG has done so.
And yeah, JD has lost Best of 5s to Rock (1 - 3) in 2007, Calm (1 - 3) in 2008, and fOrGG (0 - 3) in 2009. Aside from that, though, Flash accounts for all of Jaedong's Bo5 losses (23 - 6), all in 2010.
I didn't say that Terran was obviously imbalanced over Zerg, because that's not true. I said it was very slightly imbalanced over Zerg, that those advantages are only salient when a player is as good as Flash, and that the imbalance is not the reason why Flash won. I think it's a perfectly fair statement to make given the uncontroversial nature of the idea that the game is not perfectly balanced (how could it be?) and that small differences become more important at higher levels of play.
wow what a let down of a final :lol :lol
dont want to shit this thread up but starcraft 1 (obviously) shows its age in comparison to SC2. People been shitting over the GSL all the time because the players are all scrubs but what i saw today definately wasnt any better.
4drones twice was just :lol :lol
dont want to shit this thread up but starcraft 1 (obviously) shows its age in comparison to SC2. People been shitting over the GSL all the time because the players are all scrubs but what i saw today definately wasnt any better.
4drones twice was just :lol :lol
the game is soooo much slower and specifically the matches today were just laughable. out of 4 games we had 2 totally cheese games and 2 games with total domination from the terran. Im not saying SCI is worse per se. but todays matches were just lacking.Mumei said:Lies. BW >>>>> SCII
Talk to me in 10 years.
the only thing that is better about SCI right now is the hilarious commentators
im missing that from the GSL although Artosis and Tasteless are good in their own right.
AdventureRacing
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farnham said:
Wow, i thought you wouldn't be able to top your stupidity in the sales age threads but low and behold you have proven me wrong!
It was a shell of a beast trying to grab a shred of victory.farnham said:
Also those early pressure have clear defined impacts and game direction into mid and late game. The timing was excellent by both players in all their games, JD just let his defiler at 1' pop not enough energy and Flash sniped it.
The early pressure from Flash in the other game was to counter act any chance of an harassed 2 base fast muta play, which on that map might have allowed JD to take an easy 3rd, or even 4th in the early game. Instead he forced a change to lurkers and took advantage of lack of air to drop, forcing JD to stay on 2 base and countering the only action JD had left, which was to defend the doomdrop with swarm which he did beautifully.
farnham said:
That's just silly. If someone judges SC2 off of watching one GSL set, then they are being just as nearsighted.
SC1's balance and metagame are far ahead of SC2's at this point. So are the quality of players. That's not a knock on SC2 at all - SC1 is the most successful competitive videogame ever, and SC2 has not even been out for 2 months.
I guess some people just need to convince themselves that the latest is always the greatest. Hopefully it will be at some point, but it isn't yet.
PantherAttacks
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farnham said:
I'll take your word for it.
Corran Horn
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An interview a few days ago said he hasn't even touched sc2. I guess why touch it when your so good at bw