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Overwatch has one of the most positive depictions of Arabs I've seen in a video games
- Thread starter Sapphire Dreams
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Wasn't expecting to see Adel Emam on neogaf today, haha. Awesome..
I really love the diversity in the game too, I'm not Arab but the cast of Overwatch is the closest I've ever felt to being represented in a game. It makes me happy. It's definitely led to some interesting reactions like when people found out Tracer was gay or when Pharah's skin that looked like a hijab popped up.
I was told Hanzo and Genji are a couple.
I was told Hanzo and Genji are a couple.
Well not that bad if that stereotype character gets women together and fight together against harassment. Korea is big on Dva and I think even a politics candidat used her in her presentations.
Sapphire Dreams
Member
Wait, people don't think Egyptians are Arabs? I hope my thread has given you some education.
No, for sure but i mean if you are born in egypt you are technically affrican.
They are Africans AND Arab dude...
Again I ask, why the Rashid hate?
They're brothers. Though, with how often I see them shipped together you could be forgiven for thinking that.
Also, fun fact. They started off as the same character at one point.
BossDarkseid
Member
Wasn't their original kit (stealthy ninja hacker) the og kit for Sombra before they shelved that idea fora while.
Shadow Ranger
Member
Aint nothing wrong with Rashid, what game you playing brah?
But yeah, Pharah and Ana are great. And...only because of this thread I learned they are related. I should get around to reading the comic - is it even any good?
But yeah, Pharah and Ana are great. And...only because of this thread I learned they are related. I should get around to reading the comic - is it even any good?
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Fixed2BeBroken
Member
So first you said asian males are desexualized. But then asian gay characters are sexualized. Do you see the problem here? when they are hetero they aren't sexualized but when they are gay they are.
Imo, just better to make one of the MANY white male characters gay. again, what's wrong with that? Why can't we do that instead? you're still silent on that note.
Now to your other comment....
well....there are barely any asian male characters in American media period...
-but Sulu's character recently.
-Dr. George Huang
-LLoyd Lee
-Zane Park
-Mr. Wolfe
-Elliot park
-there's this one kinda popular teen show, with this young asian kid thats gay, i cant think of the show tho cause I never watch it, just saw it on tv at the gym once.
there's 7.
Was trying to find the name of the character in that teen show.
Sapphire Dreams
Member
Something about his design seems off to me, like they took inspiration from romanticized vision of Arabs rather than actual inspiration. I admit this is just a personal thing to me and cannot properly explain it.
It's true, Ana and Pharah are pretty great
A few speed bumps aside (Lucio seeming more Canadian than Brazilian in the English version, Symmetra with the accent but no vocab ect), Overwatch has a very diverse line up that manages to retain cohesion and feel like "people" (and robots and whatnot) without meeting some unseen checklist. They could add a lot more, but they're probably trying harder than any big budget company out there, and I appreciate it.
Tracer being the "MC" and on the cover while being canonically LBGT is pretty incredible as well.
They are brothers and I'm pretty sure they dislike each other a lot.
A few speed bumps aside (Lucio seeming more Canadian than Brazilian in the English version, Symmetra with the accent but no vocab ect), Overwatch has a very diverse line up that manages to retain cohesion and feel like "people" (and robots and whatnot) without meeting some unseen checklist. They could add a lot more, but they're probably trying harder than any big budget company out there, and I appreciate it.
Tracer being the "MC" and on the cover while being canonically LBGT is pretty incredible as well.
They are brothers and I'm pretty sure they dislike each other a lot.
I feel like most of our Rashid love is due to us playing the Cinematic Story Mode & his overall dialogue in the game. Give it a try.
Reminds me of Riz Ahmed's thing about whenever his family saw a British-Asian (Subcontinent) they'd yell "Asian!" And get all excited at having representation. Speaking from experience, yes it is amazing.
Yeah, but then they walk some of that shit back like Mei. Mei was designed along with Zarya to present females with varied body shapes only for them to change their minds and decide she's skinny and just wearing thick clothes.
Trojita
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You always equate being gay with feminization?
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
when it comes to asian males. sure. cause they are rarely shown as masculine. Well they did once, but that dude died horribly.
emasculation would probably be the better word.
You mean according to the concept art? People still think she is thick and she gets represented like this in artwork and cosplay so I would say it still worked.
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
A gay asian male as a main character is a unicorn that I question if I've even seen it. Can you off the tip of your tongue name one?
A gay asian male, especially with the subject matter we are talking about, I immediately thought of the gay aspects of Samurai culture.
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
I mean hey, let's not read posts.
Tobjorn is confirmed straight also, he has like ten kids. Reinhardt also travels with a young brunette woman, although considering his adherence to chivalric codes of old knights he might be chaste. It is also heavily implied that Mercy and Genji are an item.
How can you be arab if you are born in egypt and don't speak arabic or have any interest in religions whatsoever?
Ragnorok64
Member
Check the concept art. They didn't walk back anything.
Not when the community is toxic towards cosplayers and artists who portray her as such all because Blizzard decided not to commit all the way.
I'm aware of the concept art, but concept art is just that. Blizzard stated Mei was designed to represent a different body type in the game, but no she's just wearing thick clothes.
Isn't Arabic the dominant language regardless of whether an individual there should happen to speak it? also, correct me if I'm wrong but I wasn't aware Arab had a specific religious meaning.
rakkadakka
Member
The best part about the whole cast is they don't really feel like check marks.
They feel like rounded characters who act that way because that's who they are.
They feel like rounded characters who act that way because that's who they are.
Trojita
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I missed one post in a thread lol. I think that's understandable. The same way you had to edit your post one or two times is understandable.
I just don't see how it is much different for the character if they still retain their masculinity.
I mean in canada/quebec where the language is french a lot of people don't speak it. Maybe not in egypt i don't know much about this country as you can tell but i am curious to know more!
You are right about religions i just wanted to portrait an individual as neutral as possible.
So basically even if you don't speak arabic and are born in egypt you are considered african/arabic.
Sorry to derail the thread and thanks!
People in Egypt speak Arabic dude.
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
I don't see why it's much different if I would prefer one of the many white male characters be gay instead.
Goes to show how much game designers care about getting it right. Mind you that you could probably point to any game that has come out recently that got the idea of Arabs wrong, but with how things have been done as of late with the posted examples from Overwatch and Tekken, at least you can argue that it is indeed a step in the right direction.
Don't get the Rashid hate though... I didn't think he was tasteless (unless if him collecting gadgets was taken the wrong way). Hell, you can argue that he did give us the of the most catchiest themes we've had in a SF game we've had in a long while. I liked his character in the story mode, and I'd like to think he was well received when he was first revealed. Certainly didn't see articles of how Rashid was a poor depiction when he was first shown off.
Don't get the Rashid hate though... I didn't think he was tasteless (unless if him collecting gadgets was taken the wrong way). Hell, you can argue that he did give us the of the most catchiest themes we've had in a SF game we've had in a long while. I liked his character in the story mode, and I'd like to think he was well received when he was first revealed. Certainly didn't see articles of how Rashid was a poor depiction when he was first shown off.
Gentleman Jack
Member
From a gameplay perspective, they could have changed some of the feedback VO to be Efie e.g. 'Behind you!' or the low-health sounds.
There's a shocking amount of people who think that anyone from Africa = automatically black.
Yup, most of northern Africa have light brown skin. I don't understand why people assume Africa = Black straight away.
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
because of stereotypes, media, and lack of education on it.
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
Alright I'll try to explain.
Egyptian is the dominant language in Egypt. Egyptian is not its own language, but rather a dialect of Arabic. Egyptian is to Lebanese, for example, what American is to British. Same language, different dialect / slang / vocab / etc.
Egyptian literature and film are watched throughout the Arab world. Egyptian music is listened to across the Arab world. Egyptians are Arabs who happen to live in Africa.
Is someone from France either French or European?
Quite frankly, the problem with your and many with similar perception is that it just proves the lack of knowledge about Africa, how culturally rich and diverse the continent is.
I can surprise you with the fact that there are Arabs in Ethiopia, Somalia, Sudan, Tanzania, all of North Africa and other places in the continent. They are African, Arabs and, I may add additonal complexity, usually Muslims.
I am currently in Cairo. Trust me, they use Arabic. In matter of fact, Egypt is the largest provider of Arabic culture and Cairo is historically the cultural capital (at least until recently). Books, music, movies are, more often than not, produced in Egypt.
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Welp, I never expected to see a gif of Adel Emam on NeoGAF. That's definitely something.
ubersticky
Member
Wondering if there will be an LGBT male character representation in this game
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Are they heavily into energy drinks, chips, and sponsorships?
AdmiralMikey
Member
Just wait until the true nature of Junkrat & Roadhog's relationship is revealed.
Not at all on topic but I had no idea tracer was a lesbian.
SomewhatGroovy
Banned
I do what I can, fam. Definitely my proudest moment on GAF, even if it only resonates with a handful of people.
Foxy the Fox
Member
Still waiting for positive peruvian representacion on the media 
Also, stop making us living in the stone age ��������
But yeah, props to Blizz!
Also, stop making us living in the stone age ��������
But yeah, props to Blizz!