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PART 1 of Noclip's Final Fantasy XIV Online Documentary

Really well made doc, but the Japanese subtitles are bad. Really took me out of it at a couple points and I had to rewind a few times to check if I missed something. Hope they'll get fixed/the next parts will be better about this!

Indeed. It's my only gripe with the documentary.
 

Firebrand

Member
Echoing the sentiments on the subtitles, they're rather difficult to follow during the Japanese-speaking parts.

Otherwise, great so far! Good work.
 

Firebrand

Member
I've had my finger on the "start playing FFXIV" trigger for nearly two years now, and I think this documentary will push me over the edge. Is there any reason to buy the expansion in addition to the base game when I'm just starting out?

Probably not, but depending on where you buy it you might be able to get the "Final Fantasy XIV Online" (without the "A Realm Reborn" subtitle) bundle with both base game and HW for the same price or less. Anyway, they removed the time limit on trials so you can play to your heart contents up to level 35 for each job (excluding those locked behind expansions) before you decide.

If you're on PC I would probably advise you to not get it on Steam, as they separate between Steam- and non-Steam-accounts for licenses, and you'd be forced to buy any expansions on Steam itself where they usually cost more.
 

Aeana

Member
Yoshida was working on Dragon Quest 10 before being moved to FF14. It's possible his duties on that game were done shortly before and he had started work on a brand new IP, but the window wouldn't have been long enough for that IP to have any major development done on it.
 

TheRed

Member
Really great to watch even though I don't care about Final Fantasy. Great to get as much game dev documentaries as possible. Awesome stuff.
 

SOLDIER

Member
That intro was masterful.

Yoshida dropped the most interesting information. He partly blames FF14's failure on the creation of Crystal Tools. Funny how Squeenix learned nothing from that experience and decided to go ahead an created another utter failure of an engine, Luminous, basically for the same arrogant reasons. And of course, there's putting Nomura, a walking example of poor management, in charge of another high-budget production.

This is why we need more documentaries like this. There's a startling amount of misplaced blame going around with the FF community, especially directed at Nomura.

How on earth people can believe Nomura has the kind of pull to tell Square and Disney "Hey I'm going to delay the next KH for a decade kthnx" is nothing short of astonishing.

The difference between Yoshi P and Nomura is that the former is settled in with one ongoing project, while the latter is constantly pulled apart at all directions. If KH3 was the one and only thing he was working on it probably would've been out in half the time.
 

jiggle

Member
I don't think they went in depth enough just how bad 1.0 was lol
Cuz my god it was really bad
They had all these ppl saying it was bad but kinda glossed over the examples(Granted it was a pretty good list of examples)

The whys were were more candid than expected though
 

SOLDIER

Member
I don't think they went in depth enough just how bad 1.0 was lol
Cuz my god it was really bad
They had all these ppl saying it was bad but kinda glossed over the examples(Granted it was a pretty good list of examples)

The whys were were more candid than expected though

"What's that? You want to be an awesome Musketeer and wield a firearm while you go on some awesome adventures?

Fuck you, gimme back that gun and go do a shitty escort quest instead."
 

Isotropy

Member
I remember when they first revealed that they were remaking the game, and released these PDFs showing roadmaps and test screenshots. It all looked absolutely wonderful, I felt so let down when the general response was "pfft, remaking an MMO? This'll be a disaster..."

Right from the beginning, Yoshida was a steady hand and clearly knew exactly what he was doing.
 
This is why we need more documentaries like this. There's a startling amount of misplaced blame going around with the FF community, especially directed at Nomura.

How on earth people can believe Nomura has the kind of pull to tell Square and Disney "Hey I'm going to delay the next KH for a decade kthnx" is nothing short of astonishing.

The difference between Yoshi P and Nomura is that the former is settled in with one ongoing project, while the latter is constantly pulled apart at all directions. If KH3 was the one and only thing he was working on it probably would've been out in half the time.

Amen.

The whole damn company is filled with urban legends.

It's no surprise his video started off with one.
 
I remember when they first revealed that they were remaking the game, and released these PDFs showing roadmaps and test screenshots. It all looked absolutely wonderful, I felt so let down when the general response was "pfft, remaking an MMO? This'll be a disaster..."

Right from the beginning, Yoshida was a steady hand and clearly knew exactly what he was doing.

It's because Square Enix is perceived as being an acceptable target.
 

duckroll

Member
Finally watched this. I can't wait for the next two parts. I really think the rebirth of FFXIV is something that should get way more attention that it already does. it is an INSANE turn around.
 

DrForester

Kills Photobucket
Love the FFXI info. While it's about FFXIV, I wonder if it will answer XI theory I have had. I always wondered if Square expected the XI player to jump to XIV. Abyssea came out around 1.0 and it felt like it was intended to be XI's finale, and grand send off, by just letting players have super-stats in the new zones.

Then 1.0 tanks, and suddenly XI got a new expansion that felt incredibly rushed and bare bones upon release.

Always wondered if there was a link.


Finally watched this. I can't wait for the next two parts. I really think the rebirth of FFXIV is something that should get way more attention that it already does. it is an INSANE turn around.

Really is. Most companies I think would have cut their losses, and I'm amazed Yoshi got them to go with plan b.
 

TheBowen

Sat alone in a boggy marsh
Excited to watch this even though I've never played FF14 ( although I am interested in getting into it)

Couldn;t believe how popular/ presumably well made Realm Reborn is after seeing the reviews, gameplay, and fan reaction of the original. Still remember game trailers review where they gave it like a 2/10.
 

Garlador

Member
No game has ever been saved as hard as Final Fantasy XIV was saved. It's not even close.

Surreal how they turned it all around.
 

Luigi87

Member
Really excellent first part.

Also reminds me that I do not miss 1.0 Limsa Lominsa/Ul'dah and the lack of Aetherite Shards at all <_<
 

Toth

Member
Love the FFXI info. While it's about FFXIV, I wonder if it will answer XI theory I have had. I always wondered if Square expected the XI player to jump to XIV. Abyssea came out around 1.0 and it felt like it was intended to be XI's finale, and grand send off, by just letting players have super-stats in the new zones.

Then 1.0 tanks, and suddenly XI got a new expansion that felt incredibly rushed and bare bones upon release.

Always wondered if there was a link.




Really is. Most companies I think would have cut their losses, and I'm amazed Yoshi got them to go with plan b.

I don't feel Seekers was rushed and bare bones on release. It actually had a lot of solid content from the start. However, as the expansion wore on, they did indeed cut back on a lot of what was supposed to be in the game (i.e Tartarus, the entire RaKaznar zones) and replaced cut scenes with still pics. That was when FFXIV 2.0 was taking off though....hmmmm.....
 

Loona

Member
Love the FFXI info. While it's about FFXIV, I wonder if it will answer XI theory I have had. I always wondered if Square expected the XI player to jump to XIV.

Last time there was a direct XI crossover event in XI, "The Maiden's Rhapsody", at the same time the ending to XI's last major story "Rhapsodies of Vana'diel" was released - Iroha, the XI character that stars in both stories was not allowed to return back to XI's world and a XIV character laughed about it, which was a rather dick move - that sort of thing doesn't usually happen in crossover events. they pretty much seemed to want XI players to follow suit and move to XIV.

Abyssea came out around 1.0 and it felt like it was intended to be XI's finale, and grand send off, by just letting players have super-stats in the new zones.

It's funny that XI's Abyssea story is all about failure in an alternate world and XI's players getting to rescue it and be pampered with power boosts in the process to help with that.

XI was always a pretty harsh game toward its players, but XIV 1.x's failure really kickstarted a lot of QoL changes in it to help make sure its players got to stick around and still give money to SE.

If only those QoL changes had been implemented earlier at a more reasonable place, XI might have more of a presence in the wider FF fandom...

Then 1.0 tanks, and suddenly XI got a new expansion that felt incredibly rushed and bare bones upon release.

Seekers of Adoulin gated a lot of its content to account for the bits and pieces released with every update, namely zones, but it also brought a few things that the game should have benefitted from earlier, like quests that actually give EXP. i wish it could have had ore resources to go further, like adding Tartarus, which is only spoken of, but even if it's not my favorite expansion it still had some great story moments, characters, zones and mechanics.
 
Everything about this saga is incredible. The balls of Yoshida asking higher-ups to remake the game, and especially him and the dev team being able to do so in just 1.5 years... in secret and concurrently with 1.0 patches! This would make such a great movie.

Awesome documentary and can't wait to watch the rest.
 

Tagg9

Member
I heard great things about Yoshida before watching his interview here, but this has really solidified his importance in turning around FFXIV. In fact, he seems to be the only employee who was willing to speak candidly about the development problems (Crystal Tools and company-wide arrogance).
 
It was really well put together. Some good elaborations on some already known info, and a bit of brand new info, too. People here already covered the subtitle issues, but my only other small gripe is about attribution. Having worked on a series about extensive research for many years, I have to say listing "&more" for the source of a large chunk of the documentary's in-game footage was a bit disappointing. Yes, it was my footage from my GameTrailers 1.0 review, but GT, despite what it is now, deserves a mention in the credits if you're gonna use that much footage.
 
Probably not, but depending on where you buy it you might be able to get the "Final Fantasy XIV Online" (without the "A Realm Reborn" subtitle) bundle with both base game and HW for the same price or less. Anyway, they removed the time limit on trials so you can play to your heart contents up to level 35 for each job (excluding those locked behind expansions) before you decide.

If you're on PC I would probably advise you to not get it on Steam, as they separate between Steam- and non-Steam-accounts for licenses, and you'd be forced to buy any expansions on Steam itself where they usually cost more.

You're kidding--there's no time limit on the trial? That's fantastic considering how little time I'll have to actually play.
 

Demoskinos

Member
You're kidding--there's no time limit on the trial? That's fantastic considering how little time I'll have to actually play.

Not anymore no and they raised the level cap from 20 up to 35 so you can get a better taste of the game. You're restricted as far as social features go though no joining guilds/using market boards ect.. until you buy the full game but you should at least be able to get a good sense of if you'd want to invest more time/money into the game with what they give.
 

jiggles

Banned
Wait.

The did the patching of 1.0.

While building 2.0.

In less than half the time it should have taken.

While still sticking to 8 hour workdays.

What the fuuuuck
 

Seventy70

Member
These are great documentaries, but the Japanese interviews are such a pain to follow. I'm watching part 2 right now and I have no idea what they are talking about. They really need to split the interviews up a bit and pace them out. It's too much to take in at once. The subtitles should also be put into smaller chunks.
 

Renekton

Member
Yoshida dropped the most interesting information. He partly blames FF14's failure on the creation of Crystal Tools.
Hmm he didn't say much about crystal tools, at least not the first episode.

It seemed the ambitious scripting tech was too much for the servers...
 

Dunkley

Member
Just got done with Part 2, another great episode.

This is so much of a treat to watch it's crazy. I'll probably start backing Noclip.
 
Hmm he didn't say much about crystal tools, at least not the first episode.

It seemed the ambitious scripting tech was too much for the servers...

He didn't dwell on it but he did attribute part of 1.0's failure to the fact that crystal tools took a number of lead programmers away from 14.
 

Goron2000

best junior ever
It's interesting that they went with the more western Agile production method for Realm Reborn and managed to get so much done, but also seemed very eager to not continue in that style.
 

isamu

OMFG HOLY MOTHER OF MARY IN HEAVEN I CANT BELIEVE IT WTF WHERE ARE MY SEDATIVES AAAAHHH
@Mr Danny O'Dwyer & Jeremy Jayne.... I appreciate the effort you guys put into making this 3 part documentary, so a sincere thank you. With that having been said, some of us would prefer to simply download these videos and watch them later offline.

So with that in mind, I am pleading with you to please consider re-doing all three videos with built-in English subtitles. Having to be forced to watch the documentaries on youtube itself means having to have an online connection and a browser every time you want to see the video. And because there are no subtitle options embedded within the video itself, it's quite an inconvenience. Please consider embedding subs into these documentaries guys.
 
@Mr Danny O'Dwyer & Jeremy Jayne.... I appreciate the effort you guys put into making this 3 part documentary, so a sincere thank you. With that having been said, some of us would prefer to simply download these videos and watch them later offline.

So with that in mind, I am pleading with you to please consider re-doing all three videos with built-in English subtitles. Having to be forced to watch the documentaries on youtube itself means having to have an online connection and a browser every time you want to see the video. And because there are no subtitle options embedded within the video itself, it's quite an inconvenience. Please consider embedding subs into these documentaries guys.

You can download the videos with clipconverter.cc and the subtitles with downsub.com
 
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