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[Angry Grimace]

I'm pretty sure alternative services have long existed if you're looking to fund cam shows, guys.

 

[Ferrio]

Maybe I'm interpreting the rules incorrectly but it sounds like all "pornographic" material is banned. I'm not too familiar with Patreon, but I would guess that most of what people consider "Adult Content" could fall under the umbrella of pornographic especially wrt nude cosplayers and more NSFW artists.

To me it sounds like they do

You guys are reading it wrong. First of all why would they ask that people tag all adult material and keep it patreon only if they were getting rid of it?

Second, they're not saying all pornographic material. They give examples, like funding your outside porn site with patreon or using patreon to set up cam sessions.

 

[Slayven]

What spurred this on?

 

[Kinyou]

You guys are reading it wrong. First of all why would they ask that people tag all pornographic material and keep it patreon only if they were getting rid of all pornographic material?

Second, they're not saying all pornographic material. They give examples, like funding your outside porn site with patreon or using patreon to set up cam sessions.

Those tags sound to me more like they're directed at people who produce stuff that contains these things but is not intended as pornography. They only refer to it as "mature themes" etc. in the first paragraph, never pornography.

Lastly, you cannot sell pornographic material (...) as a reward for your patrons

Sounds pretty definitive to me and referring to all general pornographic material.

 

[Ferrio]

Those tags sound to me more like they're directed at people who produce stuff that contains these things but is not intended as pornography.


Sounds pretty definitive to me and referring to all general pornographic material.

It is when you take out all the context and replace it with "..."

Lastly, you cannot sell pornographic material or arrange sexual service(s) as a reward for your patrons. You can't use Patreon to raise funds in order to produce pornographic material such as maintaining a website, funding the production of movies, or providing a private webcam session.

They outline exactly what pornographic materials they're talking about. Basically "Don't use our service to cam girl, make a porno, or use it to prop up another website".

 

[phoisgood495]

You guys are reading it wrong. First of all why would they ask that people tag all adult material and keep it patreon only if they were getting rid of it?

Second, they're not saying all pornographic material. They give examples, like funding your outside porn site with patreon or using patreon to set up cam sessions.

How do you interpret this line (emphasis mine):

Lastly, you cannot sell pornographic material or arrange sexual service(s) as a reward for your patrons. You can't use Patreon to raise funds in order to produce pornographic material such as maintaining a website, funding the production of movies, or providing a private webcam session.

As something other than banning pornographic material in general? If you are an artist who specializes in something that is labelled pornographic, and you use your Patreon as a platform to raise money to produce this content wouldn't that be against the new ToS?
They do give examples, but that is inclusive not exclusive, seems like it's up to their discretion what does and does not qualify.

 

[Kinyou]

It is when you take out all the context and replace it with "..."



They outline exactly what pornographic materials they're talking about. Basically "Don't use our service to cam girl or use it to prop up another website"

I only removed the part about sexual services because that's kind of a different thing. What they outline sounds more to more like they're preemptively closing possible loopholes.
This way a creator can't say "Well, I'm not selling anything on patreon, after all I only use that money to keep my website running"

Basically, tell me how someone is supposed to be selling pornographic material on Patreon. You can't offer it as reward tier, that's made explicitly clear and you can't use it to fund your pornographic website, that's also made explicitly clear. So what options are left?

 

[Ferrio]

How do you interpret this line (emphasis mine):


As something other than banning pornographic material in general? If you are an artist who specializes in something that is labelled pornographic, and you use your Patreon as a platform to raise money to produce this content wouldn't that be against the new ToS?

Read the whole thing? Why do you guys just stop reading? They explicitly say what they're banning.

Lastly, you cannot sell pornographic material or arrange sexual service(s) as a reward for your patrons. You can't use Patreon to raise funds in order to produce pornographic material such as maintaining a website, funding the production of movies, or providing a private webcam session.

 

[RockTurtle]

great, now where else am i gonna get scantily clad cosplayers who lowkey will show the goods as you pay their mortgage?

 

[Kinyou]

Read the whole thing? Why do you guys just stop reading? They explicitly say what they're banning.

Because those are two sentences. You can't just ignore the first statement. They're just outlining in the second sentence how far it expands not that it's exclusive to those.

 

[NotLiquid]

How do you interpret this line (emphasis mine):


As something other than banning pornographic material in general? If you are an artist who specializes in something that is labelled pornographic, and you use your Patreon as a platform to raise money to produce this content wouldn't that be against the new ToS?

Yep, the ToS is formulated in a super poor way. It doesn't specify how the stipulation applies to artists, why using Patreon money to fund those work expenses isn't allowed (which a website absolutely would be), and whether or not you can (or even why you wouldn't be able to) use tier pledges as commissions/request rewards.

 

[Ferrio]

Because those are two sentences. You can't just ignore the first statement. They're just outlining in the second sentence how far it expands.

But that would make no sense, why would you need to point out examples if you were doing a broad ban anyways?

Anyways I'm out, you guys are making my head hurt.

 

[FUME5]

OnlyFans must be loving this.

 

[phoisgood495]

Read the whole thing? Why do you guys just stop reading? They explicitly say what they're banning.

I read that part of the sentence, but that is not a set of limitations it is examples of what they do not allow, which is very different from saying what is allowed.

I don't really care either way as I have never considered subscribing to a Patreon let alone an adult oriented Patreon, but it does suck for the people that make their livelihood from it especially artists who were a large part of the driving force for the sucess of the platform that now fall under this grey area and could be removed at the discretion of Patreon.

 

[Laiza]

There should be a stated difference between depictions of sexual activity (as porn) and "I do paintings of attractive naked people", which is, at least in the world of art, not really pornography in the same way. Unless London's National Gallery should cover some of its paintings in the black bags like they were dirty magazines in corner shops. Nipples and penises! The horror!

I don't have much personal sympathy for the long-suffering fetish artist et al that will once again have to find another place to sell their wares.

I don't think there should be a difference.

People who make a living off of selling niche/fetish NSFW artwork should be allowed that option. There's no good reason not to allow it. Likewise with anyone who makes a living as a model. It's not glamorous or prestigious by any means, but that's not a reason to lock them out.

I mean, in this world we're increasingly finding it more and more difficult to find steady and reliable sources of income as it is - having that strained further with stricter rules like these is not a good thing.

 

[Dark Ninja]

great, now where else am i gonna get scantily clad cosplayers who lowkey will show the goods as you pay their mortgage?

It really looks like this is one of the things getting targeted especially since alot of camgirls switched over to Patreon cause its pretty much easier than being on cam for hours on end. This is guaranteed money if you can pull off the hustle.

 

[Brock Reiher]

What prompted the change? Seems like it could only lose them money.

 

[Kinyou]

But that would make no sense, why would you need to point out examples if you were doing a broad ban anyways?

Anyways I'm out, you guys are making my head hurt.

Well like I said, to preemptively close any loopholes where someone would just make a website that's exclusive to their patreons. In the end that would be the same as selling the stuff directly as reward tier with just one more step.

Basically the first sentence is about how you're not allowed to sell any material and the second is about how you're not allowed to produce any material. This way they covered every angle.

 

[_Ryo_]

I'm pretty sure alternative services have long existed if you're looking to fund cam shows, guys.

Like I mentioned earlier, even though there are alternatives don't really allow patron/consumer interactivity/commissions. But the bigger problem is actually receiving payment via transaction since a lot of banks and monetary exchange services discriminate against Adult Content Creators/Performers. Patreon was good because they had a deal with PayPal that allowed payment for Digital Adult Entertainment, something that PayPal does not allow directly.

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

Legit business wants nothing to do with kiddie rape porn. News at 11.

 

[NotLiquid]

Like I mentioned earlier, even though there are alternatives don't really allow patron/consumer interactivity/commissions. But the bigger problem is actually receiving payment via transaction since a lot of banks and monetary exchange services discriminate against Adult Content Creators/Performers. Patreon was good because they had a deal with PayPal that allowed payment for Digital Adult Entertainment, something that PayPal does not allow directly.

I keep thinking back to the fact that Reiq, perhaps one of the biggest artists to make a living off of adult art/subscription, actually took a hiatus from his "adult branch" of work in due part to both the social and economical stigma that is associated with working on adult media - and this is a guy who's been in the business for almost a decade.

I appreciated the fact that Patreon almost became a reprieve, if not a service that through it's mere existence, helped take a bit of a stand against that stigma. The fact that they convinced PayPal to allow it through them was fantastic. But the way these new developments look, they've just kinda indirectly enforced it.

 

[Trickster]

Legit business wants nothing to do with kiddie rape porn. News at 11.

No shit. But that is irrelevant for 99% of what this targets

 

[Extollere]

Honestly, I think some of the reactions in here are overblown. There is some cause for concern, yes. But this is not the full take-down of adult content that some people think it is. Patreon has never allowed pornographic material (at least, not that I can remember), and if someone was providing that then they were flying under the radar. Erotic art is not defined as pornography by Patreon. I've had this verified to me in an email exchange. It's still subject to some content restrictions that I find reason to object to, but this probably won't impact Patreon's bottom line, nor will it cause some mass exodus from the site by adult content creators. It doesn't exactly feel good to be marginalized or to fear sources of income disappearing. There are some hentai-foundry artists doing quite well on Patreon right now who dabble in some darker themes. I'm more worried about them, since their art is just an expression, but could now be subject to removal for no other reason than some people taking offense to them.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

People who make a living off of selling niche/fetish NSFW artwork should be allowed that option. There's no good reason not to allow it.

Yes there is - it can harm the vision Patreon's devs have for the site, it damages their brand, it makes it harder for them to work with banks and whatnot, it discourages those who don't like fetish/very NSFW content from using the site, etc etc etc.

There are otherwise perfectly good services out there that I know people avoid because of close association with fetish and very NSFW stuff. For example Picarto, a streaming service specifically for artists. I thought that was a really cool idea. Except there's a NSFW section where you can see thumbnails of wolf dicks. So now I don't want to be associated with that site, because I don't want to be associated with fetish and NSFW content in any way. Instead I stream my art stuff on Twitch (to exactly 0 people, mind) because I know that the Twitch creative community is not going to associate me with much more than a creative abuse of the Kappa icon.

Does that make me some prude? No - I spent two hours drawing a naked dude on Wednesday night IRL. I saw a man's genitals and I goddamn drew them in charcoal along with the rest of him - that's one very valid art activity. But exposing your site to association with porn, which is much more specific than just nudity, is an invitation to drive away many people, including people like me.

 

[SDBurton]

Porntreon when?

Basically. Congrats on whoever makes this, you're about to make bank. :lol

 

[NotLiquid]

Honestly, I think some of the reactions in here are overblown. There is some cause for concern, yes. But this is not the full take-down of adult content that some people think it is. Patreon has never allowed pornographic material (at least, not that I can remember), and if someone was providing that then they were flying under the radar. Erotic art is not defined as pornography by Patreon. I've had this verified to me in an email exchange. It's still subject to some content restrictions that I find reason to object to, but this probably won't impact Patreon's bottom line, nor will it cause some mass exodus from the site by adult content creators. It doesn't exactly feel good to be marginalized or to fear sources of income disappearing. There are some hentai-foundry artists doing quite well on Patreon right now who dabble in some darker themes. I'm more worried about them, since their art is just an expression, but could now be subject to removal for no other reason than some people taking offense to them.

Hence why the ToS really needs to be reviewed and clarified. The lack of definition makes a lot of what's written downright contradictory at certain junctures.

 

[s_mirage]

They outline exactly what pornographic materials they're talking about. Basically "Don't use our service to cam girl, make a porno, or use it to prop up another website".

The issue is that those are only examples; they say that production of pornographic material is not allowed, but they do not give a definition of pornography anywhere in their terms of service or community guidelines. I agree that your interpretation is probably what they're aiming for, but that is only implied by the wording of the new guidelines. That's not good enough. Without a specific definition limiting the scope of what they consider pornographic, these new rules give them a lot of latitude to go after producers of any erotic material. Producers can argue that their work is artistic, but the art vs porn debate is one that has rumbled on for centuries.

 

[Brock Reiher]

Yes there is - it can harm the vision Patreon's devs have for the site, it damages their brand, it makes it harder for them to work with banks and whatnot, it discourages those who don't like fetish/very NSFW content from using the site, etc etc etc.

There are otherwise perfectly good services out there that I know people avoid because of close association with fetish and very NSFW stuff. For example Picarto, a streaming service specifically for artists. I thought that was a really cool idea. Except there's a NSFW section where you can see thumbnails of wolf dicks. So now I don't want to be associated with that site, because I don't want to be associated with fetish and NSFW content in any way. Instead I stream my art stuff on Twitch (to exactly 0 people, mind) because I know that the Twitch creative community is not going to associate me with much more than a creative abuse of the Kappa icon.

Does that make me some prude? No - I spent two hours drawing a naked dude on Wednesday night IRL. I saw a man's genitals and I goddamn drew them in charcoal along with the rest of him - that's one very valid art activity. But exposing your site to association with porn, which is much more specific than just nudity, is an invitation to drive away many people, including people like me.

lmao you had me with you until you ended with "of course, when I draw naked dudes, it's art"

Get out of here with that bs

 

[Laiza]

Yes there is - it can harm the vision Patreon's devs have for the site, it damages their brand, it makes it harder for them to work with banks and whatnot, it discourages those who don't like fetish/very NSFW content from using the site, etc etc etc.

There are otherwise perfectly good services out there that I know people avoid because of close association with fetish and very NSFW stuff. For example Picarto, a streaming service specifically for artists. I thought that was a really cool idea. Except there's a NSFW section where you can see thumbnails of wolf dicks. So now I don't want to be associated with that site, because I don't want to be associated with fetish and NSFW content in any way. Instead I stream my art stuff on Twitch (to exactly 0 people, mind) because I know that the Twitch creative community is not going to associate me with much more than a creative abuse of the Kappa icon.

Does that make me some prude? No - I spent two hours drawing a naked dude on Wednesday night. But exposing your site to association with porn is an invitation to drive away many people, including people like me.

Let me be clear - I don't think any of those are good reasons. They're reasons, and they exist, but it is absolutely shitty that this is even a problem to begin with.

I can't help but see it as a reflection of both society's greater sex-negative bent and its overall misogyny (because, to be sure, more women are impacted by these changes than men). I mean, why do you not want to be associated with NSFW stuff in the first place? Think about that for a moment. It's kind of nonsensical, isn't it? Especially in the case of Patreon, where 75% of the site is not NSFW and you actually have to go out of your way to find NSFW content in the first place (seriously, it was a non-issue).

Even moreso when this very same site is still supporting some extremist alt-right individuals with absolutely deplorable views. What the hell's with these priorities, man?

 

[Brock Reiher]

Let me be clear - I don't think any of those are good reasons. They're reasons, and they exist, but it is absolutely shitty that this is even a problem to begin with.

I can't help but see it as a reflection of both society's greater sex-negative bent and its overall misogyny (because, to be sure, more women are impacted by these changes than men). I mean, why do you not want to be associated with NSFW stuff in the first place? Think about that for a moment. It's kind of nonsensical, isn't it? Especially in the case of Patreon, where 75% of the site is not NSFW and you actually have to go out of your way to find NSFW content in the first place (seriously, it was a non-issue).

Especially when this very same site is still supporting some extremist alt-right individuals with absolutely deplorable views. What the hell's with these priorities, man?

Seriously, this all goes out the window when they still allow people who are doing a lot more harm to their "brand" my beings Nazis.

And like, who uses "I saw a penis once" as justification that they're not a prude? Come on man.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

lmao you had me with you until you ended with "of course, when I draw naked dudes, it's art"

Get out of here with that bs

But he used Charcoal my man.

 

[985boi]

Like I mentioned earlier, even though there are alternatives don't really allow patron/consumer interactivity/commissions. But the bigger problem is actually receiving payment via transaction since a lot of banks and monetary exchange services discriminate against Adult Content Creators/Performers. Patreon was good because they had a deal with PayPal that allowed payment for Digital Adult Entertainment, something that PayPal does not allow directly.

You can now use paypal for adult websites as long as the site uses Epoch(payment processor). It's been like that for 2 years I think. You can also now use amex too which was also the same case as paypal as they both did not allow transactions on adult websites.

 

[Coloress_Kafka]

Alright, Porntreon competitor when?

Like over a year ago? At least in the gay community, OnlyFans.com has exploded in popularity with porn stars and Instagram thots.

 

[hodayathink]

OnlyFans must be loving this.

For real. Every porn actress I know has an account, and something like this might actually push some NSFW but not straight up porn people onto it as well.

On topic, one of the things that really gets me is people exclaiming that all porn is unethical and exploitative that are okay with all of these funding services straight up banning adult content from them. The easiest way to get ethical porn is to make it easy for performers themselves to produce the porn directly, yet we are okay with making that as difficult as possible because, I don't really know why.

 

[Extollere]

Yes there is - it can harm the vision Patreon's devs have for the site, it damages their brand, it makes it harder for them to work with banks and whatnot, it discourages those who don't like fetish/very NSFW content from using the site, etc etc etc.

There are otherwise perfectly good services out there that I know people avoid because of close association with fetish and very NSFW stuff. For example Picarto, a streaming service specifically for artists. I thought that was a really cool idea. Except there's a NSFW section where you can see thumbnails of wolf dicks. So now I don't want to be associated with that site, because I don't want to be associated with fetish and NSFW content in any way. Instead I stream my art stuff on Twitch (to exactly 0 people, mind) because I know that the Twitch creative community is not going to associate me with much more than a creative abuse of the Kappa icon.

Does that make me some prude? No - I spent two hours drawing a naked dude on Wednesday night IRL. I saw a man's genitals and I goddamn drew them in charcoal along with the rest of him - that's one very valid art activity. But exposing your site to association with porn, which is much more specific than just nudity, is an invitation to drive away many people, including people like me.

So what do you propose then? Of all the beautiful, gorgeous, lovingly crafted works of erotic art out there made by the same struggle of time, patience, research, and effort that anyone else puts into their non erotic works... where do those creators go to earn a living? There is no market for us. Many of us become blacklisted by employers and professional communities. Commissions alone aren't enough for most of us to survive. There is no site as large, well established, and as trusted as Patreon is both among the creators and their supporters for adult artists. Given that it's incredibly difficult to arrange transactions around such material a site solely dedicated to adult art without the type of support that Patreon has built probably wouldn't get very far off the ground. If anyone was ever capable of providing a platform for adult content creators to earn a living it was going to be a place like Patreon, who catered to a wide variety of content.

I make my living there drawing hentai. I do this because it's what I truly love to do, and I finally found a way to do it. Myself, and every adult content creator I know puts just as much effort into our craft and business as anyone else does on that site. And every time someone bitches about their opposition to the type of art I create to places like Patreon it puts my livelihood in jeopardy. Please stop looking at it with so much stigma. Patreon is used by a wide variety of professionals. Adult content need not even be viewed unless you opt to see it. And no one is ever going to associate you with wolf dicks until you start actually drawing wolf dicks.

 

[DOWN]

OnlyFans must be loving this.

For real. Every porn actress I know has an account, and something like this might actually push some NSFW but not straight up porn people onto it as well.

On topic, one of the things that really gets me is people exclaiming that all porn is unethical and exploitative that are okay with all of these funding services straight up banning adult content from them. The easiest way to get ethical porn is to make it easy for performers themselves to produce the porn directly, yet we are okay with making that as difficult as possible because, I don't really know why.

Like over a year ago? At least in the gay community, OnlyFans.com has exploded in popularity with porn stars and Instagram thots.

Seriously how does this thread not know about OnlyFans? It didn’t come up till page 5

That’s a huge adult competitor to Patreon

 

[hodayathink]

Seriously how does this thread not know about OnlyFans? It didn’t come up till page 5

That’s a huge adult competitor to Patreon

Because right now, OnlyFans is seen as primarily for porn performers and cam girls (and like someone said, the more NSFW Instagram models that don't want to get into either for whatever reason).

 

[Xe4]

Everything seems reasonable, except for this part:


Does that mean that soft-core models cannot make content? And what about artists?

Yeah that last bit seems unreasonably restrictive with respect to how it treats other Patreon accounts. Everything else is a much needed clarification I think.

 

[shintoki]

I am really curious how this will work, since a lot of cosplay models use this as a means to sell nudes.

I.E. Pay this tier to get the lingerie shot, more expensive tier for the bedroom, most expensive for the uncensored. Where they are at the point of softcore porn.

 

[MUnited83]

Legit business wants nothing to do with kiddie rape porn. News at 11.

That was already against their rules. You might want to actually read the damn thing to see what the new terms actually entail.

 

[Sou Da]

Patreon porn games are honestly a bad model for the consumers, there's almost zero incentive for any of the creators to finish their games because then they either have to pivot to a new project immediately or just lose all the monthly money with no chance to sell their game.

I had to post this thought somewhere, damn it.

 

[Maintenance]

Yes there is - it can harm the vision Patreon's devs have for the site, it damages their brand, it makes it harder for them to work with banks and whatnot, it discourages those who don't like fetish/very NSFW content from using the site, etc etc etc.

There are otherwise perfectly good services out there that I know people avoid because of close association with fetish and very NSFW stuff. For example Picarto, a streaming service specifically for artists. I thought that was a really cool idea. Except there's a NSFW section where you can see thumbnails of wolf dicks. So now I don't want to be associated with that site, because I don't want to be associated with fetish and NSFW content in any way. Instead I stream my art stuff on Twitch (to exactly 0 people, mind) because I know that the Twitch creative community is not going to associate me with much more than a creative abuse of the Kappa icon.

Does that make me some prude? No - I spent two hours drawing a naked dude on Wednesday night IRL. I saw a man's genitals and I goddamn drew them in charcoal along with the rest of him - that's one very valid art activity. But exposing your site to association with porn, which is much more specific than just nudity, is an invitation to drive away many people, including people like me.

"I'm not a prude, I saw a penis last week", "When I do it, it's art".

Fucking cackled at the hypocrisy.

 

[Laiza]

Patreon porn games are honestly a bad model for the consumers, there's almost zero incentive for any of the creators to finish their games because then they either have to pivot to a new project immediately or just lose all the monthly money with no chance to sell their game.

I had to post this thought somewhere, damn it.

Sure, but on the flip side they have to produce something on a consistent basis or lose their livelihoods. The very nature of most of these games means they're nigh-infinitely extendable anyway, so it's not like they ever *need* to be truly "finished" per se. It's not really an issue here unless you have some kind of mandate that you'll only play "finished" games or somesuch.

Everyone chipping in knows what they're getting into.

 

[Kenstar]

Yes there is - it can harm the vision Patreon's devs have for the site, it damages their brand, it makes it harder for them to work with banks and whatnot, it discourages those who don't like fetish/very NSFW content from using the site, etc etc etc.

There are otherwise perfectly good services out there that I know people avoid because of close association with fetish and very NSFW stuff. For example Picarto, a streaming service specifically for artists. I thought that was a really cool idea. Except there's a NSFW section where you can see thumbnails of wolf dicks. So now I don't want to be associated with that site, because I don't want to be associated with fetish and NSFW content in any way. Instead I stream my art stuff on Twitch (to exactly 0 people, mind) because I know that the Twitch creative community is not going to associate me with much more than a creative abuse of the Kappa icon.

Does that make me some prude? No - I spent two hours drawing a naked dude on Wednesday night IRL. I saw a man's genitals and I goddamn drew them in charcoal along with the rest of him - that's one very valid art activity. But exposing your site to association with porn, which is much more specific than just nudity, is an invitation to drive away many people, including people like me.

I'd rather be associated with Picarto 8 days a week before Twitch

But hey at least these dumbass racist bandwagoning twitch users dont associate you with Wolf dicks

Oh but they're not ALL like that on twitch? funny how your willing to consider the 'good ones' on twitch

I dont recall having to click a 'show NSFW yes I do indeed enjoy blatant racism/sexism in my chat' button to see some sick shit on twitch like I have to on picarto (again, animal dicks opt in vs built in bigotry)

 

[Maintenance]

I'd rather be associated with Picarto 8 days a week before Twitch

But hey at least these dumbass racist bandwagoning twitch users dont associate you with Wolf dicks

Oh but they're not ALL like that on twitch? funny how your willing to consider the 'good ones' on twitch

I dont recall having to click a 'show NSFW yes I do indeed enjoy blatant racism/sexism in my chat' button to see some sick shit on twitch like I have to on picarto (again, animal dicks opt in vs built in bigotry)

Yeah this too, somehow their Twitch is not infested with racist and alt-right bigots. I wish I could access that Twitch here because it sounds like it would be great.

 

[Extollere]

"I'm not a prude, I saw a penis last week", "When I do it, it's art".

Fucking cackled at the hypocrisy.

Okay, but to be fair to Huw_Dawson, we should acknowledge that there is definitely a difference between drawing a live model (which is not sexual in context), and that five-way sailor moon gangbang picture with erections and body fluid everywhere. Excuse me for being frank, but there's a line in there somewhere that some people are not comfortable with crossing when it comes to public platforms... which is totally fine and understandable, but we should be careful not to conflate the two, because in most people's minds there is a difference.

I still believe there needs to be a balance somewhere... because there are a lot of extremely talented adult content creators, and their works are every bit as deserving of support as the next person's are. Don't wanna see it or be associated with it? That's great! But please don't wage a war against Patreon or other sites for supporting the creators of such content just for trying to earn their keep and make their supporters happy.

 

[Sou Da]

Sure, but on the flip side they have to produce something on a consistent basis or lose their livelihoods. The very nature of most of these games means they're nigh-infinitely extendable anyway, so it's not like they ever *need* to be truly "finished" per se. It's not really an issue here unless you have some kind of mandate that you'll only play "finished" games or somesuch.

Everyone chipping in knows what they're getting into.

Fair enough, I'd just like them to be able to put their work somewhere visible and be able to make some money once they "finish" any project.

 

[Puck Beaverton]

Legit business wants nothing to do with kiddie rape porn. News at 11.

🤔

 

[foxuzamaki]

"RIP Studio Fow"

That's what a friend told me. Honest.

hahaha

 

[lucebuce12]

Awwww, I like porn