Nah I have a TH8A Shifter.
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Nah I have a TH8A Shifter.
Ah, good choice. I'm using a modded Porsche shifter and it does the job well, but the TH8A looks the biz.
Raptomex
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I probably just suck but I want to confirm. Is there any instructions on the optimal set up for setting up the G27 wheel for rFactor/rFactor 2? The Logitech profiler and in-game settings. I'm pretty new to sim racing but I keep spinning off the track in rFactor 2. I'd like to know if I'm just terrible and/or settings need to be adjusted.
Betta Lines
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rF2 should have fairly decent default settings for a G27, assuming you're at full rotation in the driver. It should automatically give you the right lock per car. You might need to add some FFB smoothing if it's rattling over the kerbs, but too much can remove your feeling of connection. Make sure speed sensitive steering is off...
Raptomex
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I'll play around with that then, thanks.
Betta Lines
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Raptomex
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Very helpful, thanks. I'll try these settings out when I get home.
Betta Lines
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At default, or indeed using Tosch's suggestions, I think it looks pretty nasty, just like the SweetFX sharpening mods for DK2 in AC and iRacing. I don't understand this sharpening obsession at all, so that was the first thing to go. Then there's the vignette... I can take it or leave it. Off it goes. And the tilt shift - ridiculous. I've switched that off too.
So I'm left with colorhuefx, which desaturates everything apart from the sky. That's pretty good, as the greens and reds tend to appear a bit too vibrant at times in rF2. And finally the bloom, which has the effect of blurring the blue of the sky into the distant environment, which seems to create a slightly better 'distance haze' in some situations.
I'm not really seeing a dramatic change that marvelharvey describes...
It's a big framerate hit that doesn't seem to change based on how many effects are enabled, so I can't justify running it for what I have left, i.e. a bit of colour correction and bloom.
I've tried enabling a few other things - some could be quite effective for replays, like the dirty lens or grain, but not suitable for driving. I didn't see any effect from the AO options - I imagine they require proper tweaking. That might be worth having if someone can get it right.
TJP
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I didn't try the mod, I just posted the pictures 
'Tis a shame the mod didn't work for you Betta, perhaps some more fettling from Tosch and others will net better results.
The best sim hardware reviewer on YT has posted another very in-depth product review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi-vILPOMrU
'Tis a shame the mod didn't work for you Betta, perhaps some more fettling from Tosch and others will net better results.
The best sim hardware reviewer on YT has posted another very in-depth product review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi-vILPOMrU
TJP
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Apparently a short term fix is: 'turn Wheel Weight and Wheel Strength in the Force Feedback menu to 0%, and the Centering Spring option in your Logitech Profiler to anywhere between 20% and 30%". Reference - https://pretendracecars.wordpress.c...ke-advantage-of-the-games-revived-popularity/
Codemasters are aware of the situation too and are looking to fix it ASAP - http://steamcommunity.com/app/321040/discussions/0/611702631213143369/
marvelharvey
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'Metalharvey' was better
I need to get rid of the 'marvel' part of my name anyway.Shame you're not seeing the dramatic difference that I am. I wonder if it's track dependant? I've only tried it Brands Hatch so far and the difference was highly pronounced. Everything seemingly far better lit/coloured. I suppose it could be related to what visual settings are being used? Even though my PC has a 780, most of my settings are off, low or medium, with only shadows on high. Mainly due to me downsampling from 3840x1620 AND supersampling (What's AA?). I wonder if the running with more FX on reduces the difference between the mod being on/off?
I've calmed down since and lost the enthusiasm to write the post sadly. My complaint still stands though, so I may get around to it at some point.
Oops...
Now on to a week of cursing against shitty UPS lol
Nice! Let us know how it is.
Disorientator
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Finally upgraded to a G27 (from an aging MOMO) and I'm having an issue.
Getting a "device not recognized" from Windows (8.1) and of course it's not detected by Logitech Gaming Software either.
I'm using a 5-meter USB extension that worked perfectly fine with the MOMO, but I'm wondering if the G27 is a bit more "sensitive" to USB requirements.
Already tried changing USB ports with no luck.
Next step is to connect the wheel directly to my tower but I'm wondering if this is a known issue.
Edit: Connecting it directly solved the issue. Hope some sort of "active" USB cable/hub will do the trick.
Getting a "device not recognized" from Windows (8.1) and of course it's not detected by Logitech Gaming Software either.
I'm using a 5-meter USB extension that worked perfectly fine with the MOMO, but I'm wondering if the G27 is a bit more "sensitive" to USB requirements.
Already tried changing USB ports with no luck.
Next step is to connect the wheel directly to my tower but I'm wondering if this is a known issue.
Edit: Connecting it directly solved the issue. Hope some sort of "active" USB cable/hub will do the trick.
Just to be sure... You're using the proper G27 drivers and not just the momo ones right?
To be fair I assume it's all using the same software anyway but make sure you have the latest version.
Edit: Ah, saw your edit... Yeah maybe try a different usb extension?
Disorientator
Member
Yeap the USB extension was the problem, thanks man.
Off to the local stores to try to find something that works.
Betta Lines
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\m/ I'm happy to accept a small royalty payment each time you post with your new name'Metalharvey' was better
I should clarify - with the five effects enabled by default (sharpening, vignette, tilt shift, colour correction and bloom), there is a dramatic difference, it's just not a positive one, imo. The sharpening, vignette and tilt shift seem forced and unnecessary. AC for example does not use such effects in its post processing and yet remains the more attractive sim.
Once those have been turned off I'm left with colour correction and bloom, and those two alone don't make such a dramatic difference and it's hard to justify the huge framerate hit. Actually at default, AC's post processing is quite subtle during gameplay - probably doing even less than this. Even with AC's PP off, it looks better than rF2, so I don't buy the suggestion that it's the post processing in AC that makes the difference.
I'm running at 1920x1080, only because downsampling with DSR seems to give me a significant amount of input lag (specific to rF2), so the impact of the sharpening is probably less harsh on your system - here it just highlights aliasing severely. There does seem to be certain effects that cause a bigger drop than others, but the colour correction alone can drop my framerate by 30%, and you have to run at least that effect for the mod to be worthwhile at all.
There is definitely potential with this mod - it opens up a lot of possibilities - but this is something that ISI should be offering themselves in a much more optimised form as part of the video settings. I don't know if rF2 can rely on PP alone to make the improvements - I could be wrong but it seems like the graphics engine needs more fundamental changes to its lighting system if it wants to compete with AC and PCARS.
Disorientator
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Just an update in case anyone else faces the same issue.
The G27 didn't like the regular -passive- 5m (16ft) USB extension cable (this one) I was using with the MOMO, so I ended up getting a 10m (32ft) active one (this), which seems to work just fine.
G27 is now detected by both Windows and the Logitech Gaming Software and my god, going from the MOMO to the G27 has been an eye-opening experience.
I can only imagine how the more expensive wheels/setups feel-like.
Needless to say, I'm in love with the clutch/H-shifter - it's crazy fun and engaging as hell. Paddle-shifting seems so boring now
Contemplating if that TH8A shifter should be my next target now.
The G27 didn't like the regular -passive- 5m (16ft) USB extension cable (this one) I was using with the MOMO, so I ended up getting a 10m (32ft) active one (this), which seems to work just fine.
G27 is now detected by both Windows and the Logitech Gaming Software and my god, going from the MOMO to the G27 has been an eye-opening experience.
I can only imagine how the more expensive wheels/setups feel-like.
Needless to say, I'm in love with the clutch/H-shifter - it's crazy fun and engaging as hell. Paddle-shifting seems so boring now
Contemplating if that TH8A shifter should be my next target now.
Big Takeover
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New rF2 build:
Changelog Build 946:
FEATURES:
Made “Time Scale” set to “Race %” work for percentage-timed races when a track’s default duration was more than 2 hours (but left mechanical failures work the same way as they had been).
Added local content management to Launcher.
Added support for batch downloads in Launcher’s remote content tab.
Added ring stiffness multipliers to TGM files.
Added third party content publishing to Launcher.
FIXES:
By default, the multithreaded physics are turned off for now. Set the PLR file variable “Sim Processor Thresh” to 3 to turn on, or 255 to turn off (note that we don’t allow them to be turned on for dual cores). Please do NOT use +procmask for the purpose of disabling multithreaded physics anymore.
umber of pitstops as reported in results file and plugin will no longer count drive-thru’s nor Esc’ing from track to garage.
Made unlimited laps in qualifying truly unlimited.
Fix for aspect ratio problems in monitor.
Disabled an unnecessary message pump in the simulation thread. The latter appears to fix the CPU spikes that some were experiencing.
Added HTTP Basic Authentication to dedicated server mod downloads.
Fixed halt when returning to monitor. (Cloud maps were being reloaded because the path appeared to change in retail mode.)
Use any available car in a replay if the original can’t be found (can happen with clients viewing a server replay without having downloaded a virtual vehicle that was present).
Fixed unnecessary reloads of matchmaker list.
Lined up vehicle labels in monitor.
Made vehicle labels more legible under different conditions.
Fixed multiplayer client skin download status gizmo icons so they are again visible (when they should be).
Fixed rare problem in ded server where rfm from previous mod was used if it (rmf file) has exact same name as rfm file in current mod.
Fixed a crash that could happen while resuming a replay of a non-race session.
MODDING / PUBLIC DEV:
Added playerfile parameter “Disable Resume in Replay”, that when set to 1, will let you jump into realtime during a replay instead of “resuming”. Did this so that a person could record fastest paths from replay files using the AIW editor in the Mod Mode.
Added ability to look for digital flags so that that a track builder can have a mix of corner workers and digital flags around the track. (animations are: “DF_FLAGDOWN”, “DF_FLAGHELD”, “DF_FLAGWAVE”, “DF_SAFETYCAR”, “DF_VICTORY”, “DF_PRESTART”, “DF_START”
simplified grid, pit, & garage spot marking.
Allowed AIW editor to set number of garages per pit spot for ease of editing.
Fixed Camera FOV editing.
MULTIPLAYER
Added new MPFile parameter “SERVER_allow_loose_content_transfer” that will disable client to client propagation of custom skins and virtual vehicles (both disabled when set to 0, only virtual vehicles disabled when set to 1, and both working when set to 2)
In the case of matching names while trying to boot someone, at least kick *someone* (current choice is client before AI).
Improved multiplayer skin transfers so there is less chance of name mix up.
GRAPHICS:
New tonemapper
Optimized single-pass HDR for multiview.
Adjusted some hdr/sky params to work with new tonemapper
Betta Lines
Member
Welp. There goes my only use for that PP mod. All the colours are much better now!
Big Takeover
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Welp. There goes my only use for that PP mod. All the colours are much better now!
I had wondered where that tonemapped update had gone to that TJP had posted a few weeks ago! Good to hear it's an improvement. EDIT: Damn! It looks infinitely more appealing to the eye now.
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Here's the official info on that GSC V8SC mod Shaneus dug up a little while ago:
http://www.bsimracing.com/introducing-ozv8-modding-project-for-gsc-extreme/
Betta Lines
Member
Dare I say they may have gone too far with toning down some of the colours now... >_<
I just tried Lime Rock, which had already seen a recent update which reduced the saturation of the greenery... combined with this new tone mapping, things look a tad dull now (on what should be a sunny day)... but overall definitely an improvement!
Big Takeover
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The colors definitely still vary from track to track. Lime Rock was color corrected not too long ago, and has one look. I might call it dull, yeah. Mills looks totally different - bright blue and green with dark pavement. I think Poznan has a nice natural look to it. The new Malaysia is probably closest to their vision since it's update also came out today. It looks completely different which is good since it was butt-ugly before! It looks great now.
This new build seems to run great too, which is a nice plus.
I'm watching Empty Box's latest GSCE video on the CART Extreme mod and, man, does it make me want to buy the game right now.
Just raced Alfa GTAs around Magione 7 laps in Assett Corsa, back is sweating lol. Old cars are still the most fun. I was in a super close race with 1 guy the whole time. Such a shame AC deleted the replay before I could save it.
Betta Lines
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I guess it depends what aspect of sim racing really floats your boat - if it's about the handling, then no, the fundamentals were already well-established and (near enough) correct with the sims you're playing. If it's more about the overall presentation and photorealism, then yup... face-melting may occur.
I fucking l-o-v-e the feel of the Race 07 variants, the traction, the pointability of the vehicles. So long as modern sims give me dem feels then all is good. I can't be done with handling massively weighted to understeer like Forza and GT any more. Its like driving on frozen lakes.I guess it depends what aspect of sim racing really floats your boat - if it's about the handling, then no, the fundamentals were already well-established and (near enough) correct with the sims you're playing. If it's more about the overall presentation and photorealism, then yup... face-melting may occur.
Dave_6
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Vanport/Portland is up for CART Extreme: http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/portland-vanport-cart-1998.5851/
Can anyone else try it and see if they get pretty severe flickering when heading to the back stretch area?
Can anyone else try it and see if they get pretty severe flickering when heading to the back stretch area?
TJP
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The new Malaysia track build number is a reference to Marco Simoncelli: http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.p...in-rFactor-2-!?p=350103&viewfull=1#post350103
What a classy move by ISI
Karts v1.14 Now Available for rFactor 2!
One of the most fun and least appreciated types of racing in rFactor 2 has got to be the karts. While for some this can create a whole standalone simulation, it is merely one of many vehicle types we offer to our users as a free download. If you haven’t tried them yet, be sure to give them a try with this updated version!
Download here: https://www.mediafire.com/view/wl1rba4yc8u8wxs/ISI_KARTCUP-v1140.rfcmp
(Requires up-to-date build of rFactor 2).
v1.14 Changlog:
Physics (both Karts)
– New tires which have enabled the contact patch model for the first time.
– Added new wet weather variables for tires.
– Numerous AI correlation tweaks. AI warm tires quicker, wear slower and more evenly (F/R).
– Reduced inertia for wheels and engine. The wheels were set conservatively due to instability, an issue which new, more accurate tires have are the result.
– Reduced axle and gearbox friction to what should be a more accurate level.
– Softened undertray collision points which makes the kart more realistic and controllable over tall curbs.
– Fixed geometry bug that went unnoticed that was caused by a build bug fix (which was improperly defined in the previous kart release, and has been corrected for Builds 860 and newer).
– Tweak to reduce some ‘hopping’ experienced in certain extreme situations.
Physics Junior Kart specific
– Engine engine has more low end torque. Combined with other changes, it now accelerates a lot better from standstill.
Physics KartF1 specific
– Increased grip to correspond better with the class of tyre this is simulating.
UI
– Changed category name in-sim from ‘Kart Cup’ to ‘Karts’.
– Camera offset to match steering wheel.
Graphics
– Updated shaders
– Updated textures
– Minor 3D fixes
The contact patch model is still not fully complete, but at a sufficient point now. It is still lacking some lateral and longitudinal variability due to temperature / pressure and the lat/long deflections are still slightly over sensitive under extreme conditions when patch is extremely small. The vertical deflections are considered accurate. We will release more details soon.
There are also some setup adjustments not yet available in the UI. An update will follow.
TJP
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I'm not surprised Mascot - ISI created a hell of a base platform for very smart development teams to use and iterate on. Although it's become part of the marketing of a sim these days, all of the SimBin/Sector3 sims were designed via the input and feedback of racing drivers in the same way ISI, SMS, iRacing, Reiza etc do.
Feel is something you'll get plenty from with Stock Car Extreme too
Welp... I just spent the last 1h30 playing around AC and pCARS with the HShifter and manual clutch....
Yup... I'm now officialy converted! I still have some issues from time to time but overall it's going just fine and it's a SHIT TON of fun!.
Omg I just did 5-6 laps on Brands Hatch GP with the BMW M1 Procar.... Pure sex on wheels.
Yup... I'm now officialy converted! I still have some issues from time to time but overall it's going just fine and it's a SHIT TON of fun!.
Omg I just did 5-6 laps on Brands Hatch GP with the BMW M1 Procar.... Pure sex on wheels.
TJP
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One for the tyre buffs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8GQCZgCNw8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8GQCZgCNw8
TheAdmiester
Member
I'm not surprised Mascot - ISI created a hell of a base platform for very smart development teams to use and iterate on. Although it's become part of the marketing of a sim these days, all of the SimBin/Sector3 sims were designed via the input and feedback of racing drivers in the same way ISI, SMS, iRacing, Reiza etc do.
Feel is something you'll get plenty from with Stock Car Extreme too
How well off are ISI for creating that engine? Considering they're responsible for the backbone of just about every sim out there (and assumedly gets the royalties for it), I don't feel like they're very out there or spoken of.
cutmeamango
Banned
Really great find, thank you, 30mins in and it's good to see some actual knowledge delivered in a passionate and interested way, too bad the interviewer wasn't as interested in the actual physics explanation, a computing oriented student I guess.
And that always remind me how people complain about the physics in some racing games but they forget or do not know they work with separate models to simulate different aspects that need to relate with eachother. And that's why every game has something the other doesn't have, or is "broken" in a place where the other isn't.
It resonates well with what the AC guy said about general x specific car simulation and some comments from a local developer about how the perception of simulation is not really in precision.
EDIT: GP Legends shoutout and a comment about the above near the 50mins mark.
marvelharvey
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marvelharvey
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Nothing here (GTX 780)
TJP
Member
No one really knows how well ISI are doing; I'd imagine ISI must be doing reasonably well given they still licence isiMotor 2 to various different developers, most notably Reiza and Sector 3. They are able to support themselves through the sale of rFactor 1 & 2 and their licencing deals.
I think rFactor isn't always thought of in the best possible way because it had an archaic mod installation & management system, the ISI content was rather sparse and the truly great mods are very much outnumbered by the average to poorly made mods. rFactor was built to be a modding platform and plenty of developers used isiMotor 2 with great success.
Dave_6
Member
Unfortunately must be something on my rig. Got some flickering on Bologna historic last night, left out back to the main menu, went back in and it was fine. My GPU isn't overclocked either.
Those are the only two tracks I've had that issue too.
Big Takeover
Member
Free game from Reiza!
http://store.steampowered.com/app/359800
Copa Petrobras de Marcas
Edit: Ah right, apparently it's an old game they simply added to Steam.. Well whatever, still a free Reiza game!
http://store.steampowered.com/app/359800
Copa Petrobras de Marcas
Edit: Ah right, apparently it's an old game they simply added to Steam.. Well whatever, still a free Reiza game!
My friends Assetto Corsa lighting mod
http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/natural-graphics-mod.4551/
http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/natural-graphics-mod.4551/
Man I'm so tempted to get that shifter. But I'm still using G27 pedals with the spring mod. I feel like upgrading those would be the next logical step, but I don't mind them so much, despite knowing much better alternative exist. I've been spending a lot of time drifting since I got the T300 and the sloppy G27 shifter is the weakest link at this point. And I would need one less adapter!
TJP
Member
I've been sent a link to a 2012 IZOD IndyCar Series Mod for GSCX - http://www.mediafire.com/download/y4e0kq88gtq6bec/IndyCar+2012.rar
Self edit: turns out it's from Pretend Racecars who've tweaked the base settings.
Another interesting read on tyre models: http://simracingpaddock.com/editorial/analyzing-tire-models-in-sim-racing/
Self edit: turns out it's from Pretend Racecars who've tweaked the base settings.
Another interesting read on tyre models: http://simracingpaddock.com/editorial/analyzing-tire-models-in-sim-racing/
Via SRP (and I'm not sure if this is the same article Takeover posted, but rehosted) but:
http://simracingpaddock.com/pc-racing/reiza-studios/game-stock-car-extreme-developments/
http://simracingpaddock.com/pc-racing/reiza-studios/game-stock-car-extreme-developments/