nVidiot_Whore
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Murder != words.
He is specifically talking about people being outraged over what someone says.
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Please Stop Apologizing by Bill Maher (NYT Editorial)
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Murder != words.
He is specifically talking about people being outraged over what someone says.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
No. It doesn't even have anything to do with them. It's just a 'Haha remember 2008!?' type joke. Completely tame by any reasonable standard
Invisible_Insane
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There's no equivalent. Just like there's no liberal equivalent of FOX. The space between liberals like Maher or me and the Democratic party is huge, but I think Limbaugh is much more representative of some significant plurality of conservative opinion.
... you don't have a very good sense of humor, do you?
teruterubozu
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It's all faux outrage. Get the audience clapping, booing, etc.
I like Maher, but he plays up to shit just like every other entertainer.
turnbuckle
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If he would've posted this sooner NBA-GAF might not have been locked.
You can't be, you're Canadian! You're too nice to be outraged!!
dave is ok
aztek is ok
If anyone could compete with Rush in terms of influence, it'd be someone like Jon Stewart - but for that comparison to be apt Stewart would have to ditch the 'I'm a comedian' thing and start taking himself way too seriously.
Neuromancer
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Oh OK.
I thought I did. This one just didn't make sense to me, I thought there was some kind of underlying thing I just wasn't getting. =(
teruterubozu
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Nobody pisses off Rush more than Van Jones.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Bill is a truth teller. Some people have a need in their life to get all hot and bothered over trivial comments.
"mittzkrieg" versus an unprosecuted killer is not really a fair comparison. Orders of magnitude off.
Lionheart1337
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Perspicacity
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Yeah, I'm sorry I lashed out like that.
Or they see it as a chance to get something.
ThisWreckage
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People in this country live to be offended. The most trivial shit offends people now. Faux outrage over irrelevant happenings. I agree with him. I don't want to live in a politically correct country where people have to apologize for having a controversial opinion or telling a joke. He's right on the money.
Lord_Byron28
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To an extent I agree and he provides an interesting view point. However, I think it has plenty of holes. For example I do think someone should apologize for calling someone a slut. Just like someone making racist comments should be shot down. I agree people need to be thicker skinned and that a lot of this stuff is obnoxious. However, homophobic and racist comments should be apologized for and those people shouldn't be allowed a platform of which to speak on.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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This tactic isn't that precise, it's used more appear better then the opposition but mainly to muddy the water, don't be shocked when Republican's say that is is worse then the Fluke stuff.
If Democrats would use the strength given by being correct and consistent then this shit would stop, as is they'll cave every time and now a true stain on the Republicans will be said to be mirrored by a faux outrage.
Dude Abides
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Why is the NYT giving precious op-ed space to mediocre comics?
Deified Data
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This. Yes. I agree.
We live in a nation where many of us feel we have the right to not be offended. These folks are sorely mistaken. There's nothing wrong with apologizing - a little diplomacy can go a long way - but in instances like these, people go out of their way to find offense. There's no satiating these people. They get what they want out of the mess, which is an argument and a shit-ton of attention.
Read title as "Please stop apologizing for Bill Maher"...
UncleSporky
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To change our behavior for the sake of one man who tells us how shameful we're acting would itself be an apologetic act.
Why should we apologize for who we are? Let's all continue being offended as unapologetically as possible.
Why should we apologize for who we are? Let's all continue being offended as unapologetically as possible.
UncleSporky
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Deal with the whiny bitches the same way Maher says he deals with Rush: don't listen to them. Don't take offense at them and try to make them stop acting the way they do, then you're no better than they are.
ThisWreckage
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That's one way to deal with people that are offended far too easily, but it doesn't remedy the situation.
They need too, but they won't, because feinging outrage works too well in putting other people on the defensive. Politics isn't about whats right, its about what works, sadly.
Yup.
The recent blitzkrieg of "OMG check out this racist/sexist/homophobic ad" threads has really been a chore to wade through.
Pro-tip for life: the mete mention of race in any context is not an auto-racism flag.
Skel1ingt0n
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I can't stand Bill Mahr. At all. But I agree 100% with his point.
faceless007
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So how many of you think that Limbaugh's slut-shaming of Sandra Fluke and the whole contraception thing should not have been a big deal? Because that's what Maher's talking about.
If any of you criticized Limbaugh for that or spoke out against him, you don't agree with this article.
If any of you criticized Limbaugh for that or spoke out against him, you don't agree with this article.
Well there should be difference between getting mad for just about anything and someone taking things too far. But where is that line?
If he gets the next term I want him to just go all out. At the end of every speech he holds the mike and drops it on the stage. Then storms out with 20 guards tailing him.
Air Zombie Meat
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Maher has a point. Manufactured outrage and controversy are as meaningless as the apologies that inevitably follow. Just one big cycle of bullshit.
ZeroGravity
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As usual, Bill Maher is right on the mark.
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Am I the only one who thought the villain from the Muppets movie looked like Bill Maher?
CornBurrito
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I really don't get how they are funny. People that always find them funny remind me of infants that always giggle whenever keys are jiggled in front of them.
Though considering they aren't infants maybe a more appropriate comparison would be a dog? Like... they are trained to laugh at the mere mention of Canada in a jokey context. Like Pavlov's dog.
You're really missing the point here. Maher was talking about faked or at least hyperbolic rage for political gains. It can easily be generalized to non-political situations ... but the point still remains.
How is the Trayvon Martin situation at all faked outrage? It is very obviously warranted. Someone was killed, with all evidence pointing to it being racially motivated, and there wasn't even an arrest. Can you really not see the difference?
That's not really true. His show is weekly and runs on seasons. It's not like it's a daily show he needs to fill with tons of fluff. Given the relative infrequency of his show, there typically is plenty of things throughout the world to have valid rage about.
Joe Shlabotnik
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A couple of posts here have touched on the right point, that Maher's request is too broad.
I don't really give a shit about people apologizing, mostly because 99% of the time it's disingenuous--an honest apology takes real remorse and reflection unrelated to the consequences, something that may happen over time but certainly not in an immediate PR scramble a day or three after the incident. So yes, "stop apologizing" (unless you really mean it).
But his plea to "just ignore things you don't like" assumes that words have literally zero effect at all if you don't listen to them. Except that words can often perpetuate stereotypes, fallacies, and hatred that do affect people, whether they choose to listen to them or not.
I don't really give a shit about people apologizing, mostly because 99% of the time it's disingenuous--an honest apology takes real remorse and reflection unrelated to the consequences, something that may happen over time but certainly not in an immediate PR scramble a day or three after the incident. So yes, "stop apologizing" (unless you really mean it).
But his plea to "just ignore things you don't like" assumes that words have literally zero effect at all if you don't listen to them. Except that words can often perpetuate stereotypes, fallacies, and hatred that do affect people, whether they choose to listen to them or not.
Bay Maximus
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But those situations would engender warranted outrage ... which is not what he's taking about.
You're taking that point out of context.
Bill Maher is a thick headed idiot, and I completely disagree with this article. It's pretty easy to say this shit when you're a rich white dude.
As far as people thinking people are "too easily offended," it's really none of your business what offends or doesn't offend people. If you want them to stop being "whiny bitches" the best solution is to look at how you're being an asshole and stop being one.
As far as people thinking people are "too easily offended," it's really none of your business what offends or doesn't offend people. If you want them to stop being "whiny bitches" the best solution is to look at how you're being an asshole and stop being one.
speculawyer
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Clever observation. Yeah . . . no apology for committing blasphemy (in their eyes) but Gingrich expects an apology for something that he full well knows is a joke (and not a bad joke).
BTW, I thought the right hated 'political correctness'?
Can someone change my tag to whiny bitch?
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