Every one remember that Black and White 2 version anime promo? Yeah, that's what the Pokemon anime should be like.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BAInQ2nBZKg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BAInQ2nBZKg
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Pokémon master wannabe Ash Ketchum is a loser
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Deleted member 13876
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He's actually de-aged if you look at the art... lol. In the first episode of BW, they mention he's still 10, so I imagine he hasn't aged even a single day since the anime started.However, he still has all of his old Pokemon so something must be going on....
Haha, someone has the opposite opinion:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=67878066#post67878066
All I'm seeing is Malibu Stashy with a new hat.
Starphoenix
Member
You don't need a championship to be a winner. A lot of great trainers haven't won a trophy, but that doesn't make them losers. Ash wins in life, by being a good person and helping people. He's a winner.
spindashing
Banned
Ash exists to teach kids to do their best at what they do. Kids will face tough challenges, but they should always aim for the top.
Also, looser?
Also, looser?
zeopower6
Member
Promos should stay promos, honestly. It would probably lack appeal if it became a 'full series'. At best, they could do something like the Crystal specials for that.
Hm... it seems like Ash got skinnier and shorter with each new iteration imo.
He doesn't have to win, but he's never even gotten close to being the winner in an actual league yet. Is he ever going to be able to be a part of the Champion League? >_>
I hope they make Iris the Champion by the time BW ends....
drtomoe123
Member
You guys who think that the 4Kids dub was good are insane.
sorakirosaki
Member
Im actually preety curious in checking out the new pokemon x and y saga to see it ash wins it this time. I wish the writers would also stop delvling pikachu but i guess it needs to delevel so that the anime doesnt move too too fast or make it boring. And i agree wih the posters that said sinnoh league was bs thet was such a cop out it wasnt even funny
Also did anyone notice that ash's hat seems to look like a redesign of reds and his shirt is the x and y's male shirt only with out the long sleeves? I thought that was interesting
the guy who beats him ends up winning the whole damn thing
Also did anyone notice that ash's hat seems to look like a redesign of reds and his shirt is the x and y's male shirt only with out the long sleeves? I thought that was interesting
Prophane33
Member
I guess Game Freak should have tightened up the graphics a bit.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Pokemn is full of awful demoralising themes. I remember when Ash lost his first tournament it was a massive WTF.
Some of the themes of Pokemon:
If you work hard on something, throw it away! (All of Ash's good Pokemon)
If you work hard, you won't succeed (every tournament)
If you fail your friends will abandon you (Mist, Brock and other friend abandoning Ash after his continued failures in tournaments)
Some of the themes of Pokemon:
If you work hard on something, throw it away! (All of Ash's good Pokemon)
If you work hard, you won't succeed (every tournament)
If you fail your friends will abandon you (Mist, Brock and other friend abandoning Ash after his continued failures in tournaments)
The Silver
Member
Has Ash ever even faced or beaten one of the Elite Four?
sorakirosaki
Member
he faced the psyhic e4 from diamond and pearl only to promptly lose and i think he alsk had a mock battle with cynthia and her hacked garchomp
zeopower6
Member
I don't think people thought it was 'good' but it was kind of a sudden move to kick all of the voices out and replace them with kinda-sorta-soundalikes. There are only maybe 4-5 actors who are still around from the 4Kids era.
I don't think they left him because he failed... they left because they had their own obligations and dreams to pursue. (Brock = Pokemon Doctor, Misty = needed to maintain the gym or it'd shut down, etc...)
He actually fights most of them in DP in casual matches, I think. He never wins though, lol.
I think he faced against some of the Elite four in Diamond and Pearl.
What was the thing about Ash''s dad being Giovanni? Is it real, wiki doesn't really give a source.
zeopower6
Member
I think that was the general thought back when the show started, but since then... I don't think anyone knows for sure. There was a USA-made Pokemon musical that had Ash's mom dating Giovanni at some point before leaving him for Ash's dad, but that's not canon.
Honestly, I feel like Ash's mom and Professor Oak will probably get together at some point and Gary/Ash will become related unless they bring Ash's dad in for a final anime arc in the future.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
You can have a new main character also bonded with a Pikachu/KidFriendlyMascotOfCurrentGen like most Transformers shows have a Bumblebee expy.
Nice observation OP!
MasterSheen
Member
He faced Agatha briefly (old ghost lady E4 from RB) before the start of Battle Frontier. I don't remember much but he somehow forgot that Gengar is immune to normal attacks.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Like the Trix bunny.
bigDdestruction
Member
It truly pissed me off that brock in the DPPt series got 3 pokemon. Literally 3 the entire season. While ash and the other girl got 6+. Brock is a veteran to the show, show him some respect, give him more screentime and more pokemon.
Dongs Macabre
aka Daedalos42
In theory, he should be a pretty good trainer. I mean, this is the guy who caught 30 Tauros at once and thwarted countless evil plans and beat Legendaries.
But he's an idiot. He doesn't even bring his own Pokémon along with him when going to a new region. He could have kicked everyone's asses with his old Pokémon, but no, he decides to bring along his Pikachu that apparently resets to level 5 after every region.
Seriously, wtf.
But he's an idiot. He doesn't even bring his own Pokémon along with him when going to a new region. He could have kicked everyone's asses with his old Pokémon, but no, he decides to bring along his Pikachu that apparently resets to level 5 after every region.
Seriously, wtf.
The Silver
Member
Man they can at least let Ash win the tournament and then lose to the E4 or the Champion.
I don't know why this bothers me so much(I don't even watch the show lol) but it's ridiculous that's it's been so long and he's still a complete failure that doesn't a stand a chance against the E4.
zeopower6
Member
He was intended to be a support character that season, I think. The same thing is happening with both companions for BW too with Iris only having four Pokemon and CIlan having three. However, there are a ton of supporting characters in BW too (everyone has a rival and Ash has like three rivals at the same time) so that could be why everyone has smaller teams.
The Silver
Member
Huge_Jackman
Banned
After getting fucked so many times, why wouldn't he be loose?
What a looser.
tiggerkiddo
Member
They should ditch him for a new guy...Jimmy/Gold got robbed.
ArchangelWest
Member
I much prefer Brock to be around rather than the poor replacements that they choose. But its understandable that he be replaced when in the end, they let his character amount to little more than this:
I think we are losing our time discussing a series for 8 yrs old but I'd love an abridget darker manga adaptation some day, perhaps a miniseries of 30 chapters or something, that would rock. The current series is beyond redemption and there's nothing to do about it, it's not for us.
The problem is that every time Ash fought an E4 member, he battled them with the still in-training regional team. Ash is at his best when the team is fully trained and has access to his reserves.
The only thing stopping Ash from winning a league is his desire to start anew each region. It's a great long term strategy that has build him an insanely powerful rooster, but I think he has more than enough power houses to take the E4.
MasterSheen
Member
And Typhlosion>>>> Pikachu
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
I still think his best chance was winning Sinnoh.
Dumb ubers.
Dumb ubers.
Gintoki313
Banned
I stopped watching Pokemon ever since they removed Brock. He was the best thing in the show to me.
He's made the most memorable song, and he actually made me laugh once in the show. I never laugh at this show so that's quite the feat in my book.
He's made the most memorable song, and he actually made me laugh once in the show. I never laugh at this show so that's quite the feat in my book.
andrerobot
Member
FlashbladeGAF
Member
Didnt they bring him back