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Police Officer threatens to impound car if driver doesn't buy fundraiser tickets

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DrForester

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And a nice heaping helping of homophophic slurs!

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http://www.philly.com/philly/news/2...r_s_car-stop_ticket_sale_was__extortion_.html

"EITHER YOU buy these or I take your car, 'cause it's unregistered."

Officer Matthew Zagursky didn't mince words Thursday when he flashed tickets to the Hero Thrill Show, a fundraiser that supports the families of fallen officers and firefighters, to two men after pulling them over.

And yesterday, hours after a recording of that exchange went viral, Commissioner Charles Ramsey didn't either.

"No part of that video is good," Ramsey said of the footage, which also shows Zagursky spouting homophobic slurs. "It's just bad all the way around."

Ramsey said Zagursky, 32, has been pulled from North Philly's 24th District and placed on administrative duty as the Internal Affairs Bureau investigates the video, posted to Facebook by a user named "Rob Stay Faded."

"He used the tickets as a lever to not do his duty; that's extortion," Ramsey said of Zagursky. "Whether or not it's criminal is a decision above my paygrade."

In the video, the driver gives Zagursky $30 for two tickets to the Hero Thrill Show, an annual fundraiser that pays the college tuition of the children of police officers and firefighters killed in the line of duty

After the money changes hands, the officer jokes with the driver, asking him about his "f----t ass wipers," referring to the pink-tinted windshield wipers on his car.

When the driver tells Zagursky they're in solidarity with his grandmother, a breast-cancer survivor, the officer tells him he looks like "a fruitcake."

"Rob," the driver in the video, did not return a request for comment last night.

Zagursky, a nine-year veteran of the department, wasn't suspended as of yesterday, but that could change, depending on what Internal Affairs finds.

It was too early in the investigation yesterday to determine if this was the first time Zagursky hawked tickets to the Hero Thrill Show during a car stop, according to Ramsey.

The event, scheduled for Oct. 10 outside the Wells Fargo Center, features stunts performed by officers from Highway Patrol and other units.

Jimmy Binns, a criminal-defense attorney and officer in the Darby Township Police Department, has run the Hero Thrill Show for a decade.

Yesterday, Binns told the Daily News that the video is "indefensible" and called it a "sorry day for the Hero Thrill Show and the Philadelphia Police Department."

"It's just ridiculous; I can't imagine what would prompt a police officer to this," Binns said. "This is not what the show is about."

Binns said that it was the first time in his experience that the fundraiser faced such a controversy.

"That's just not how we sell tickets," he said. "Fifty-five thousand people attend each year, and I can guarantee you that not one was extorted to buy their ticket."

Ramsey echoed that statement, and expressed his frustration at the impact the incident will have on the fundraiser.

"[Zagursky has] tainted something that, to me, is as close to sacred as we get in this business: taking care of families after their loved one is killed in the line of duty," he said.

There's no "internal pressure" to sell tickets to the show, Ramsey said, though officers can volunteer to do so on behalf of the Fraternal Order of Police.

John McGrody, FOP Lodge No. 5's vice president, did not return a call for comment last night.

Unorthodox ticket sales aside, Ramsey noted that driving an unregistered vehicle is a crime, one that justifies an officer pulling the vehicle over in what's called a "live stop" and having it towed.

But he also said that it's not uncommon for officers to give those motorists some leeway.

"Enforcing the law is one thing, but we're human beings at the same time," Ramsey said. "You try to have some compassion for the circumstances people find themselves in: Sometimes they don't have means, and you can use a certain amount of discretion in cutting them a break.

"But that's not what this officer did."
 

23qwerty

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"That's just not how we sell tickets," he said. "Fifty-five thousand people attend each year, and I can guarantee you that not one was extorted to buy their ticket."

Haha what kinda delusion
 

Branduil

Member
But that's not all! Included with your $30 donation are tickets to our latest comedy improv tour, "Not all cops!"
 
I don't understand something. In all these incidents we have cops on camera caught in illegal activities. You don't really need to be fucking Sherlock Holmes to figure out what happened. Yet there's always an ongoing investigation like all we have is some vague hearsay or something. It's right there on video!
 

entremet

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Police already have incredibly generous benefits, why are they always doing fundraising events?

I remember getting a call a long time ago from the Police Benevolence Association. I gave 20 bucks as a one time donation and they kept bothering for months for more.
 

TheTurboFD

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So the guy accepted the bribe then made a stink of it? Obviously the officer was in the wrong but if the guy knew it was bad to be bribed by the cop why didn't he just accept the tow then show the footage?
 

coleco

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So the guy accepted the bribe then made a stink of it? Obviously the officer was in the wrong but if the guy knew it was bad to be bribed by the cop why didn't he just accept the tow then show the footage?

If he hadn't accepted the bribe the cop could now say the bribe was a joke.
 
Not gonna lie, if I was driving around unregisterd and a cop offers me that deal I would jump at it.

Between the ticket and impounded you might be out $300+.

Not going to be a popular opinion but he was cutting that guy a huge break.
 
So the guy accepted the bribe then made a stink of it? Obviously the officer was in the wrong but if the guy knew it was bad to be bribed by the cop why didn't he just accept the tow then show the footage?

Not gonna lie, if I was driving around unregisterd and a cop offers me that deal I would jump at it.

Between the ticket and impounded you might be out $300+.

Not going to be a popular opinion but he was cutting that guy a huge break.


Knew it wouldn't take long
 

Cipherr

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So the guy accepted the bribe then made a stink of it? Obviously the officer was in the wrong but if the guy knew it was bad to be bribed by the cop why didn't he just accept the tow then show the footage?

They would have swept that shit right under the rug with some "The officer was joking and wouldn't have taken the bribe" BS. Im glad the driver went all the way and caught the scumbag being a scumbag.

The driver isn't the one in a position of authority here.
 

neshcom

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Not gonna lie, if I was driving around unregisterd and a cop offers me that deal I would jump at it.

Between the ticket and impounded you might be out $300+.

Not going to be a popular opinion but he was cutting that guy a huge break.

Even though what he did was illegal and nonbinding? There was nothing stopping the cop from pulling him over immediately after and still impounding his car. It wasn't leniency, it was extortion.
 
Not gonna lie, if I was driving around unregisterd and a cop offers me that deal I would jump at it.

Between the ticket and impounded you might be out $300+.

Not going to be a popular opinion but he was cutting that guy a huge break.

What the hell. Way to completely miss the point.
 

DrForester

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Not gonna lie, if I was driving around unregisterd and a cop offers me that deal I would jump at it.

Between the ticket and impounded you might be out $300+.

Not going to be a popular opinion but he was cutting that guy a huge break.

Giving the guy a break would have been saying...

"OK, I'm going to let you off with a warning today. The ticket would have cost you $___, but you won't have to pay that. Before I leave, I'd like to know if you'd like to help support your local police and firefighters by using some of the money that ticket would have cost you to buy a few tickets to this fundraiser".

Instead he basically blackmails the guy into buying the tickets.
 
Even though what he did was illegal and nonbinding? There was nothing stopping the cop from pulling him over immediately after and still impounding his car. It wasn't leniency, it was extortion.

But he didn't.


I know this was going to not be a popular opinion, but it's how I honestly see it.

I once got pulled over for my registration being expired for by 1 day, ( I forgot about it) car got impounded. I would have gladly taken an option to buy 2 tickets for $30 rather then the hundreds I ended being out of.


I'm no cop defender either. I think most are assholes on a power trip, and have had many negative interactions in the past.

Yeah, I don't think that poster understands what bribery is.

Of course it's a bribe, but in the grand scheme of things I would have loved to be able to choose that over getting my car impounded.
 

neshcom

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But he didn't.


I know this was going to not be a popular opinion, but it's how I honestly see it.

I once got pulled over for my registration being expired for by 1 day, ( I forgot about it) car got impounded. I would have gladly taken an option to buy 2 tickets for $30 rather then the hundreds I ended being out of.


I'm no cop defender either. I think most are assholes on a power trip, and have had many negative interactions in the past.

Except that's outside of the scope of a cop's leniency. It's literally a bribe. Yeah, it's kinda nice because, hey, it was cheaper than an impound fee, but it's grossly illegal. What if the tickets weren't a part of this? What if the cop just demanded $30? Because--for all we know--that could have been what happened. Cops get free tickets to events like that all the time.
 
But he didn't.


I know this was going to not be a popular opinion, but it's how I honestly see it.

I once got pulled over for my registration being expired for by 1 day, ( I forgot about it) car got impounded. I would have gladly taken an option to buy 2 tickets for $30 rather then the hundreds I ended being out of.


I'm no cop defender either. I think most are assholes on a power trip, and have had many negative interactions in the past.



Of course it's a bribe, but in the grand scheme of things I would have loved to be able to choose that over getting my car impounded.

You are missing the point of this story and why what the cop did was egregious.
 

Two Words

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I know it was illegal, but that doesn't change the fact I would have loved that option in the situation I ran into. I'm not defending what the cop did.
Yes, we would all be preferred to be bribed to buy cheap tickets instead of being towed away. That's a pretty obvious sentiment we all share.
 

Skyzard

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Car can legally get impounded but the officer has some leeway -> what does that usually amount to anyway, be really nice to him and act pitiful and they'll let you off if they haven't got some issue or quota.
You probably get stuff like this sometimes ... but buying tickets to fund a charity, meh. Can't say I'm personally pissed, but people don't like others taking advantage of their powers, which is fair enough, especially with the potential for much worse stuff, which seems to really apply for officers.
 

chuckddd

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Car can legally get impounded but the officer has some leeway -> what does that really amount to anyway, be really nice to him and act pitiful and they'll let you off if they haven't got some issue
You probably get stuff like this but buying tickets to fund a charity, meh. Can't say I'm too pissed but people don't like others taking advantage of their powers, fair enough, especially with the potential for much worse stuff.

So the homophobic slurs are just fine?
 
I know it was illegal, but that doesn't change the fact I would have loved that option in the situation I ran into. I'm not defending what the cop did.

no shit. Drunk people would probably love the option to buy tickets instead of getting a DUI. Thieves would probably prefer the option to buy tickets than going to jail. This is why cops should not give them that option.
 

Skyzard

Banned
So the homophobic slurs are just fine?

I didn't mention them as...I kind of forgot to watch the video and was just discussing the bribery stuff.

But I did read the wiper comment and agree it's awful to have an officer be so unprofessional and potentially offensive. I mean it's bad with everyone, but with someone who has a significant amount of power it really shouldn't be tolerated.

Btw, when I say potentially offensive, I don't mean that I don't find it offensive.
 
no shit. Drunk people would probably love the option to buy tickets instead of getting a DUI. Thieves would probably prefer the option to buy tickets than going to jail. This is why cops should not give them that option.

Driving without registration is not a crime in that level however. I know slippery slope and all, but in this specific situation whitb all factors being involved, I'm not going to cry bloody murder.

There are more egregious offences being perpetrated by cops on a daily basis. I personally can't get worked up over this one.
 
I'm no cop defender either. I think most are assholes on a power trip, and have had many negative interactions in the past.

Of course it's a bribe, but in the grand scheme of things I would have loved to be able to choose that over getting my car impounded.
I know it was illegal, but that doesn't change the fact I would have loved that option in the situation I ran into. I'm not defending what the cop did.
Everybody hates corrupt cops, until they need one!
 
Driving without registration is not a crime in that level however. I know slippery slope and all, but in this specific situation whitb all factors being involved, I'm not going to cry bloody murder.

There are more egregious offences being perpetrated by cops on a daily basis. I personally can't get worked up over this one.

You shouldn't have to get "worked up". The guy should be fired instantly the moment his superiors see this tape, with no questions asked and never be able to work in any level of law enforcement again. That often doesn't happen though. Hence the "working up".
 
Is there a chart on how many thrillho tickets one must buy to get out of certain crimes? I wonder how many to drop a conspiracy charge.
 
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