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Polygon COD: Ghosts Review update: (XBONE better version)
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It's just a joke.
When it comes to CoD being 720p on XBO and having random drops on PS4/PC, I attribute that certainly more to the developer and the old tech of the game. The fact that BF4 runs at 900p/1080p pretty much proves that.
Nevertheless, the lineup of launch games also proves conclusively that the PS4 is substantially (= beyond "who cares") more powerful; although that has been obvious to anybody with a little amount of tech-savvyness. I am getting both consoles, but this is still relevant to me, since it informs my decision on where to buy my multi-plats. I don't actually care that much about the power differential, it does not make me "furious". I am slightly annoyed by the reasons of why it exists, but not more. However, the denial of reality, as witnessed in all the PS4/XBO comparisons during last months, as well as the insultingly bullshit-ish PR from Microsoft, is something that bugs me in general, regardless of the actual topic.
Muppet of a Man
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What does this even mean? Runs marginally better at half the resolution?
Does that even mean it runs better at all, taking into account the IQ differences?
Why not knock the X1 version down to 480p and run it at a buttery 120 fps?
Not sure how to break this to you, but XB1 has frame rate issues as well folks
http://youtu.be/teejnxOa9jg?t=44s
Like I said before, Polygons devil is in their omission. Both copies of the game drop frames.
http://youtu.be/teejnxOa9jg?t=44s
Like I said before, Polygons devil is in their omission. Both copies of the game drop frames.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Well, admittedly.. MS can't come out and say their system is slower.. they still gotta sell the thing. They've admittedly done a poor job selling the Kinect/TV/UI stuff that should be their focus because it's why they skimped on GPU to begin with to keep the price at the level they did.
I don't get insulted by PR, because asking PR to be honest in their assessment of products is ridiculous.
I'm not all up in arms because when I sprayed Axe body spray on me I don't didn't get mobbed by dozens of beautiful women wherever I went.
Your GIF is hilarious, because people believe that to truly be the difference.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Because in the end they look similar enough that a difference in frame rate matters.
Seriously, what's so hard to get by that.
Not answering your last part, because you're trolling.
killer rin
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Dear lord. We go through this every single damned time that a Polygon article goes up. Whenever They bash Microsoft they are praised as the heros of news and an amazing source. Whenever they praise Microsoft they are shills who sold their soul. Can we all agree that they are pretty neutral.
LukasTaves
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Jesus, I hope these videos and photos have gone through some really terrible capture process, because really, it looks like total poop XD
I also wonder what happened to the Pc version... I played it a month ago, with an adapter to the xbone controller, and was super smooth (though, I had no clue on what rig they had there), and the IQ was so fantastic that you would almost forget about the relatively simple visuals... Now shots with MSAA4x show some really bad jaggies, and even Titan has issues in running this game as smooth as it should...
I also wonder what happened to the Pc version... I played it a month ago, with an adapter to the xbone controller, and was super smooth (though, I had no clue on what rig they had there), and the IQ was so fantastic that you would almost forget about the relatively simple visuals... Now shots with MSAA4x show some really bad jaggies, and even Titan has issues in running this game as smooth as it should...
Uncle Rupee
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Yeah, I would say that $750k from MS was the keystone of the site launch.
lol
No. Just like you can't trust a news organization funded by Monsanto to tell the truth about Monsanto. As antitrop stated, Polygon should never have accepted funds on that order from one of the big three if they wanted to be taken seriously. They're like Microsoft's Nintendo Power of the internet.
I understand that that's theoretically how it should work based on what we've heard from IW, but in all of the comparisons shown, the XBO version doesn't look more pixellated, they both look equally pixelated for some reason (and it's not about the stream quality, although it does make it harder to tell)
I'm sure they had plenty of venture capital money, but yeah... that's a big paycheck.
As other sites have confirmed, the IQ differences are minor. So yea, provides the same effect at a more stable framerate. I'm guessing that is what he meant by better.
And your 480p remark is ridiculous. Obviously 480p wouldn't be comparable to what is output on the PS4. As many reviewers have stated, the 720 vs 1080 isn't a major difference at least in the case of this one game.
shinra-bansho
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So you want me to believe the game doesn't even run well on a Titan, but is a "steady 60 fps throughout" on the Xbox.
Okay...
I want to see the graphs.
Okay...
I want to see the graphs.
Muppet of a Man
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How do you know they look similar enough? Have you played both in person? That is a subjective value judgement not supported by the facts.
If you deem they look close enough for your personal tastes, more power to you.
But many are sensitive to the IQ differences and would rather take a very occasional hiccup in framerate for the superior IQ.
It's almost like, to ElTorro's point, you are saying that the X1 version is even superior to the PC version, which also has occassional framerate hiccups like the PS4 version, even when running the game with a Titan.
At the end of the day, if anything, it's strange that the game gets knocked down a half a point on PS4 when their are pluses and minuses to the graphics found in both versions.
I highly doubt this is the end of COD lol. The game still sold very well.
It's certainly not "the end", but what better time than a new console generation to go out with the old, in with the new? Call of Duty is old.
you can?!
killer rin
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Except Polygon isn't funded by Microsoft. Polygon is wholly owned by Vox Media, as part of the Vox Media News sites. It is a sister site to TheVerge which is a site which often rips Microsoft to shreds daily. A site which shares the same writers with Polygon. If your thing was true, we would never get any articles from Polygon (or TheVerge) where they outright rip Xbox to shreds, and it did happen. It happened during the 'DRM' stuff, They called out The Cloud before we knew anything about it. They have given a couple Xbox Exclusives absolutely shit reviews. I've also heard them tear it to shreds on their podcast a time or two too.
Does this sound like a company that is bought off?
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That's an unverified megaton. I'm EXTREMELY skeptical. If it's rendering at native 1080p, wouldn't that just act as downsampling, giving you the same framerate?
Blackage
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I want consistency. If Polygon is giving different scores to all games due to performance, cool, if they just did it with CoD: Ghosts just to cause controversy that's dirty.
I'm looking forward to seeing their next gen update review for Battlefield 4 on PS4 & XOne.
Wait, what?
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
So you're calling someone who actually has played both wrong, when you haven't played them yourself.. because of course you'd be right, without seeing them yourself.
Seriously, that's your argument?
Eh?
JoeyJungle
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I was like "Maybe I CAN'T tell the difference between 720 and 1080". Is their video just super compressed and recorded with different RGB values? It seems like the opposite of the DF video in terms of color saturation.
Glass Shark
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I'm not sure it works that way...
There is a difference between putting your product in a favorable light and flat out lying by implication. Implying that upscaling resolution improves the image beyond what the upscaling in the AVR/TV would do is just that. Implying that cloud-based infrastructures will make up for the power differential is also just that; and it bothers me in particular since I am actually a researcher in that field. This "balance" nonsense is also just that. Microsoft has done nothing else that made me feel awkward about having an XBO-preorder. I just don't appreciate the active spreading of ridiculous and intentionally deceiving misinformation. Some might say that speaking of "lying" is hyperbole, but when you deny the objective truth to the better of your knowledge, what else should I call it? If your product has a disadvantage, don't talk about it. Say that you have awesome games and features, and call it a day.
Almost every PS3 game I've played actually runs in 720x480 when I limit its output to 480p. Would be surprising if the PS4 were not similar in this regard.
Muppet of a Man
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As has been mentioned before, the many reviews that have come in comparing the different versions of this game have been wildly inconsistent (see videogamer and IGN vs. Polygon for instance).
Why should I believe Polygon's review holds any more weight than the others when sensitivity to IQ differences, as well as framerate differences, is a subjective measure? What say you?
I'd love to see the source for that bit of info.
Just like someone did on the Battlefield 4 thread, can anyone provide a direct super high quality feed of both the Xbone and PS4 version of the game? I want to download and run the video on the same TV I'll play the consoles on so I can judge the differences for myself.
Like BF4, looking at high quality screenshots and highly compressed videos does NOTHING, but looking at near uncompressed high quality direct feed videos makes a world of difference!
Like BF4, looking at high quality screenshots and highly compressed videos does NOTHING, but looking at near uncompressed high quality direct feed videos makes a world of difference!
Um, did you just call Antonio Banderas a liar? Cause that's what I heard.
dragonfart28
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Quake 3 vs Unreal Tournament
plagiarize
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Why would you want to see his ass?
killer rin
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Technically if a Game natively renders at 1080p, the game is still being rendered at 1080p, it is just being downscaled by the hardware scaler to the Consoles/TV Setting.
Doug Heffernan
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Alright, I'll pick up the superior Xbox One version then.
I'm a PC gamer, so Destiny is completely off my radar. I'm actually not really sure what type of game it is, maybe it's closer to a Titanfall/CoD/Quake3/UT arena-style shooter than I thought.
I figured it was like some kind of weird mix of Halo and Borderlands.
I'll say it once more: Too bad Polygon is too stupid to realize you can set the PS4 version to 720p via its display settings, and achieve the same (or higher) framerates as the Xbox One version.
No source, but the proof is that the PS4 is definitely capable of running COD: Ghosts in native 720p if the user opts for that choice in the PS4 video settings (at least, in the review builds).
Proof of this is the fact that the Sixth Axis Xbox One versus PS4 video comparison showed PS4 footage, and it was indeed running at native 1280x720 resolution (as verified by Beyond3D mods/pixel counters):
Superior to the Wii U, that is.
No source, but the proof is that the PS4 is definitely capable of running COD: Ghosts in native 720p if the user opts for that choice in the PS4 video settings (at least, in the review builds).
Proof of this is the fact that the Sixth Axis Xbox One versus PS4 video comparison showed PS4 footage, and it was indeed running at native 1280x720 resolution (as verified by Beyond3D mods/pixel counters):
Source: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1805253&postcount=3792AlNets said:
Superior to the Wii U, that is.
FairXchange
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Except in a fair number of people's eyes, "running better" may mean running native 1080p with an almost guaranteed patch for whatever framerate issues may or may not exist in the first place.
Sylvrfonic
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I didn't care that the 360 generally had better versions this gen and I certainly don't care if the Xbox one version of COD picks up a frame or two at 720p. How could it not.
But, in a weird way I hope that I can see were polygon is coming from with the score change come Friday. I love their features but if they award the XBO half a point just for giggles I'll be pretty disappointed.
But, in a weird way I hope that I can see were polygon is coming from with the score change come Friday. I love their features but if they award the XBO half a point just for giggles I'll be pretty disappointed.
malboroking
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PC with dual Titans is so powerful it can't run a middle of the road game at a smooth 60 fps.
DAT POWER.
Uncle Rupee
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I have a low opinion of games journalism as it is, so Microsoft's $750k donation doesn't help lend them any credibility.
Not true. It's definitely easier to notice dropped frames than the differences between 720p upscaled to 1080p and a native 1080p game.
Northeastmonk
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A 0.5 difference and I'm supposed to question which version to get? Their bold statements may stand out, but seriously a 0.5 point difference?
#teamPS4
I own Ghosts on PC. The worse I've seen is some questionable lag. In the last like 6 years I've played each modern CoD in this format: MW1,2 on PS3, BO1,2 XB360, MW3,Ghosts PC. Questions would have to be very specific, otherwise I could careless.
#teamPS4
I own Ghosts on PC. The worse I've seen is some questionable lag. In the last like 6 years I've played each modern CoD in this format: MW1,2 on PS3, BO1,2 XB360, MW3,Ghosts PC. Questions would have to be very specific, otherwise I could careless.
Alcoholikaust
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