Agreed, the idea of changing the score has potential but they don't implement it evenly enough across all games.
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Polygon Updates Battlefield 4 PS4/XB1 Review Score: 7.5 -> 4
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Agreed, the idea of changing the score has potential but they don't implement it evenly enough across all games.
yongeandcollege
Member
Completely agree.
From Alexander Sliwinski from Joystiq.
https://twitter.com/Sliwinski/status/407620302253076480
Well he is right about it.
What multiplayer game did DICE put out last year?
TriniTrin
war of titties grampa
There is a way but then they would have to release a MP review a few days after the official launch day for the game. If they have events like this where journalists go to play and review a game, its a game they play for a few hours and then share their impressions of what they played. I don't see why review a game if you didn't invest a good amount of time playing it.
Reviewers need to stop worrying about being first to post the latest review and actually play the games they are reviewing in depth (or as much as possible with the retail releases). This mostly applies to Multiplayer because a single player experience is set usually before the release where as MP has the problems after.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Well, if it was broken during review, then that's a problem.
That being said, I think a reviewer could score a game highly upon release, knowing it had some significant multiplayer bugs, so long as a big disclaimer was given to readers that the review score is based on what the reviewer expects the game to be after the bugs are fixed.
Eurogamer have a policy regards to MMO's
Eurogamer said:
I don't know if Polygon, or anyone else for that matter does but there's a clear precedent there.
They did wait a bit too long to do this but the game does deserve a reduced score. It's fun as shit... when it works. Too many friggin issues for something I paid $110 for including Premium. This was my reason for getting the PS4 since it was going to be the first time I got to play BF with my console friends at 60fps with all the capture points, huge maps, player count, and vehicles of the PC version. It's pretty damn hard to get into a game and be in the same team as a friend nevermind the same squad despite there being an option to do so in the option menu.
The server browser doesn't work for crap. I don't want to be a fucking commander why the hell won't you let me join the game with 62/64 players when I don't have the commander option selected. Not to mention the fact that if I try to filter to a specific game type no results return but if I check everything off then the game type I previously filtered now shows up. If the game wasn't so damn fun I would seriously be talking to Sony to figure out how to get a refund for the digital version and Premium.
The random chromatic aberration bullshit that pops up and makes me feel like I'm getting eye cancer, the random crashes to XMB, and the sound dropouts and lag just complete the package. DICE needs to unfuck this game pronto. I've played BF:BC2 and BF3 from their betas and expected some DICE wonk but this is ridiculous and I feel all the more stupid for buying Premium before trying out this broken ass game.
The server browser doesn't work for crap. I don't want to be a fucking commander why the hell won't you let me join the game with 62/64 players when I don't have the commander option selected. Not to mention the fact that if I try to filter to a specific game type no results return but if I check everything off then the game type I previously filtered now shows up. If the game wasn't so damn fun I would seriously be talking to Sony to figure out how to get a refund for the digital version and Premium.
The random chromatic aberration bullshit that pops up and makes me feel like I'm getting eye cancer, the random crashes to XMB, and the sound dropouts and lag just complete the package. DICE needs to unfuck this game pronto. I've played BF:BC2 and BF3 from their betas and expected some DICE wonk but this is ridiculous and I feel all the more stupid for buying Premium before trying out this broken ass game.
mullet2000
Member
Lower framerate on Xbox one too. But no, of course not.
Dead Prince
Banned
*Insert Phil Spencer 1080p comment*
the_prime_mover
Member
I believe it was joystik that mentioned the server crashing error on PS4 well before the console launched. Plus conquest didn't work for more than a week so it is unlikely it worked during review period. The game still crashes constantly and has many many game breaking bugs. The score refresh is a nice gesture given that there hasn't been a lot of public attention on this issue however, reviewers should have been doing their jobs in the first place and warned people away from this mess.
As more games become online only, the current review model is shown to be fundamentally incapable of addressing issues appropriately. It doesn't seem like any of the other outlets are revising or informing on this matter, and EA/Dice seem happy to take our money and maybe fix this shit. Shame on me for falling for it again.
Future PhaZe
Member
im embarrassed to admit i doubled dipped ;_;
Been playing 3-4 hours a day for the last four days. Crashes on me on average 2-3 times during that time frame. Conquest all day every day. This is on PS4.
Usually it's after the round ends, although a few times recently it was during the round. It preserved my kills / deaths and unlocks when it did.
That's vastly improved since release, especially as I was able to complete the single player during that time period, too. I crashed three times during single player, but it did not corrupt the saves.
The lowering of the review scores is completely justified, but it took too long to lower it. They and all the review sites should've turned up the heat before Thanksgiving.
That being said, because the game is incredible, I'll be patient.....but it's only because I enjoy the game so much, especially over Ghosts MP, that I am patient. I feel kind of bad about it, but eh..
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Umm no it doesn't, still crashes towards the end of every single game of conquest.
and conquest is a huge lagfest.
Al Gore's Thermostat
Banned
Why would EA release an incomplete game?
Polygon is an exaggeration of journalism.
Everyone of us who bought this game should be embarrassed.
DeadlyVirus
Member
Really don't know what he's playing. I just played a entire afternoon of BF4 Conquest. No problems
Don't you think there is a legitimate dilemma here? Lots of games nowadays receive Day 1 patches, and review code is commonly buggy, but PR people promise the reviewers that certain things will be fixed. It seems that there are 3 options:
1. Ignore the potential for bugfixes and just review the code you have. The problem with this approach is that if the Day 1 patch does fix the bugs, your review will be misleading. Companies may also stop sending you review copies (and for a legitimate reason).
2. Trust that the bugs will be fixed in the patch. The problem with this approach is what you see in this thread. If the bugs aren't actually fixed, then your review is misleading.
3. Wait a suitable amount of time (say, 2-4 weeks) for quick bugfix patches to be released. Then review the game at that time. The problem here is that your (non-existent) review is useless to people who want to buy the game at launch, and by the time you release it few people will be interested in reading it because they have already read your competitors' reviews or even bought the game themselves.
I find it hard to really fault Polygon here, as they are choosing one of several imperfect solutions. At least they are going back and re-reviewing the game, which is probably more than most outlets will do.
NullPointer
Member
Not at all. My experience with BF this weekend was nothing short of broken. Crashes galore, falling through geometry, failing to load maps. And trying to group up just made things worse, which shouldn't be possible.
Its working for some people, some of the time, yes.
But this game needs a lot more time in the oven. Its no joke to say this game is in beta right now, because it sure as hell isn't ready for prime-time $60 full retail price with $50 DLC. Not without pissing off a great number of their customers.
I thought that was intentional? It was to indicate the enemy commander EMP'd you?
I love being commander and EMP'ng dozens of enemy players.
mullet2000
Member
Not for me for the past week, give or take
Interrobang
Member
Great! Now we'll just go ahead and fix that Metacritic score and... well... oh... nevermind, I guess.
The 10 point scale really makes no sense when a game doesn't work. 1/10, this game doesn't work, turns into 4/10 when this game works it's great, to 7/10, this game would be awesome if it worked. In all 3 cases, the game doesn't work, but it gets three different scores because...?
Their attempts are futile when Metacritic score is not adjustable. The publishers get their shining badge and the authority to say "9/10 - POLYGON."
The 10 point scale really makes no sense when a game doesn't work. 1/10, this game doesn't work, turns into 4/10 when this game works it's great, to 7/10, this game would be awesome if it worked. In all 3 cases, the game doesn't work, but it gets three different scores because...?
Their attempts are futile when Metacritic score is not adjustable. The publishers get their shining badge and the authority to say "9/10 - POLYGON."
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Absolutely, it's a bad cycle, but what can you do about it? Publishers want reviews out before or on release (assuming the reviews are good), so they have to provide the game to the reviewers early. The reviewers want to get their reviews up as soon as the embargo is lifted so they can get more clicks.
Honestly, with multiplayer-focused games like Battlefield and CoD, smart gamers just need to wait a few weeks after launch to see how the community is reacting to the game. I'd much rather get GAF's opinion on the multiplayer play a few weeks after launch than get the opinion of a reviewer who isn't heavily invested in the multiplayer.
As I said above, it barely crashes for me and it's NOT a huge lagfest. I play Conquest exclusively and I've had one game over the past few days that was lagging really badly.
It's weird that there's such variation, though.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Did EA PR assure them that Sim City would be fine? Did EA PR assure them that BF4 would be fine? It becomes a matter of "Fool me once...". Polygon would really gain credibility if they said "EA has a problem. Until it's fixed we will not review their online games until we test them out in the real world". But unfortunately that would piss off EA and likely lead to restricted access. Realistically, Polygon should be worried that EA PR and their promises are hurting their credibility as a news/review site, but unfortunately in games media credibility doesn't seem to matter so things will just keep going on as they have been.
Dang that sucks. I wonder how much of my positive experience has to do with mostly playing Obliteration.
Clarkus Darkus
Member
a 4/10 would have put me off buying the game until it was patched, No good doing it now when everyone already bought a copy. Also a review with 2 updates speaks volumes of what a rushed game is.
How does a game get a worse score now that, by most accounts, it is more stable?
Did they take EA's word/promise at launch that they would improve it, and when that did not materialize, they decided to deduct the points?
BF4 now is not perfect but it is better than it was at launch. The scores, if anything should switch.
There are 2 possible explanations:
a) Polygon has not experienced what ive experienced, and the game runs worse for them now than it did at launch. Fiar enough i suppose, my anecdotal experience is not 100% fact how everyone experienced the game.
b) Polygon has experienced the same problems i experienced at launch but simply inflated the score of BF4 on some promise/hope EA would fix the issues.
Did they take EA's word/promise at launch that they would improve it, and when that did not materialize, they decided to deduct the points?
BF4 now is not perfect but it is better than it was at launch. The scores, if anything should switch.
There are 2 possible explanations:
a) Polygon has not experienced what ive experienced, and the game runs worse for them now than it did at launch. Fiar enough i suppose, my anecdotal experience is not 100% fact how everyone experienced the game.
b) Polygon has experienced the same problems i experienced at launch but simply inflated the score of BF4 on some promise/hope EA would fix the issues.
Fox_Mulder
Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
just before the PS4 patch.
good timing Gies
good timing Gies
illustri0us
Banned
Polygon get my respect, they don't care what anyone else is doing
And I can see their last of us score making sense even without playing the game
How can this be a perfect game according to some sites...
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=i03gk2cVcKI
And I can see their last of us score making sense even without playing the game
How can this be a perfect game according to some sites...
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=i03gk2cVcKI
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
And that is BS. Most of Polygon staff are veterans, they should now that was BS (That's why GB takes the wait and see approach)
I don't understand.
Did the game get worse since release? Or were these issues there since the beginning?
The way I read the update was that it's getting a lower score now because it's still not fixed. But if it's worth a 4/10 now and this is how the game was at release, why did it get a 7.5 to begin with instead of the 4? Am I misunderstanding?
Did the game get worse since release? Or were these issues there since the beginning?
The way I read the update was that it's getting a lower score now because it's still not fixed. But if it's worth a 4/10 now and this is how the game was at release, why did it get a 7.5 to begin with instead of the 4? Am I misunderstanding?
Phire Phox
Banned
Understandable. I heard The game crashes like crazy.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Next gen is finally here, which means EA has found new and inventive ways of taking your money
mullet2000
Member
You're understanding. What polygon is doing just doesn't make much sense.
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Deleted member 20415
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Which is totally unacceptable and asinine - I can't believe I got suckered into buying another damn Battlefield game that I can't even play. Every single launch is just a mess... but this is it for me, not buying them again. I can understand a couple days of instability, but not this.
I'm against class action lawsuits, but sign me up for this one.
Marauder Shields
Member
Glad I skipped this game on launch.
BF4 will be a great game one day. Today is not that day.
BF4 will be a great game one day. Today is not that day.