From the sort of replies I read, I do wonder that about certain users.
I'm sure you do.
From the sort of replies I read, I do wonder that about certain users.
I on't think Microsoft or anyone else for that matter said "The Cloud" would make 'graphics better'.
I thought they said they could offload some computations onto it to free up the on board stuff to do other things.
There's quotes and a link on the previous page that proves otherwise. Unless you regard lighting as something unrelated to graphics lol...
Ok, I know where this is going.I'm sure you do.
I on't think Microsoft or anyone else for that matter said "The Cloud" would make 'graphics better'.
I thought they said they could offload some computations onto it to free up the on board stuff to do other things.
So you believe everything they say is true? I mean, PR is there for a reason.
I'd say a mod could already probably verify you being an arrogant ass.I'm open to a Mod verifying me privately. Bring it.
You and Dragonelite have said the same, and I have never heard anything like this before?
I'm no tech expert, but I do pop into the "build a PC' thread that's on GAF because it interests me. And they always talk about upgrading your GPU to improve the graphics, getting drivers to improve capabilities, overclocking/cooling for efficiency. But I've never heard anyone say "why don't you offload some computations to a second computer, you know to free up your system to do other things?"
Wow. People getting turnt up over these clouds....what the fuck? What am I making it out to be?
read my post again and read it in the context of the person I was responding to.
Jesus, you act like you spent 7 years playing MMOs instead of talking to people and using your manners.
I have 13 years experience in the IT field and I'm also highly familiar with 'cloud computing'
Microsoft owns and operates Azure and as such will be able to leverage (and customise) that as much as they want to push their own system. That is fact. As for how well cloud computing will benefit consoles, I make no statements there.
I'd say a mod could already probably verify you being an arrogant ass.
Uhm, I never take any PR to heart. There is always something that they are being coy about or rephrase to make it sound or look better. Never, ever, trust, somebody who wants to sell you something.Actually yes, PR should be about the truth, they may make the bad news "sound" better then it is and the good better then it is - but they should never lie. lying to a costumer is not PR its fucking lying, period.
Uhm, I never take any PR to heart. There is always something that they are being coy about or rephrase to make it sound or look better. Never, ever, trust, somebody who wants to sell you something.
That's just me though.
Yeah I read those, and it still didn't read to me like they said the cloud would make graphics better.
They never said ti would increase polygon counts, texture detail, particle effects or post processing.
They also said "an example might be".
Seems like given the mode everyone is in right now and given this is a Cerny interview, everyone just jumps in.
I'm no tech expert, but I do pop into the "build a PC' thread that's on GAF because it interests me. And they always talk about upgrading your GPU to improve the graphics, getting drivers to improve capabilities, overclocking/cooling for efficiency. But I've never heard anyone say "why don't you offload some computations to a second computer, you know to free up your system to do other things?"
A modern gpu can churn through a couple of hundred GB every second. Anyone believing that a couple of MB/s (if you are lucky) from the "Cloud" will make any meaningful improvement to the graphics, is living in a dreamworld...
Hmmm, I guess Microsoft chose the blue pill... LOL
I don't think anybody believes it .
Well, if it frees up system resources, sure it can.
Wow. People getting turnt up over these clouds....
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=619796Can someone explain the tub meme please? The way everyone keeps ignoring the questions about it, I'm convinced there are people who're crashing the bandwagon.
Can someone explain the tub meme please? The way everyone keeps ignoring the questions about it, I'm convinced there are people who're crashing the bandwagon.
I don't think anybody believes it and they only people that seem 'mad' about it put too much stock into it.
not really, cloud computing is pretty exciting for me when talking about the non-gaming space, what pisses me off is some douchebag stomping around and claiming I should be 'actively monitored for spreading fud' when saying MS has a better cloud capability than Sony do.
They fucking do, they are one of the largest cloud players, rival to google, Sony is not.
What is unproven is how well this will impact gaming. Of course a spokesman for Sony will claim that it's 'not a big deal' and he might be right. But time will tell for both of em and Sony is obviously looking into the possibilities as well.
Awhile back in a Cerny interview thread one of the first posts was something along the lines of "thanks, I'll watch this in the tub." Other posters ran with it as a joke, and now it's posted in every Cerny interview thread. I don't really get it, either.
I'm sure some do, that's always the case with everything. You can't fight somethings.It's you, and some other people. But the vast majority just drink it down and accept it.
That's the problem, that is what upsets people.
Uhm, most of them get that through PR though. Just saying, they are a logical extension to the media coming out.a lot of people believe it..even some journos
First off, let me thank both of you for even responding to such an unintelligible post. Holy shit.Awhile back in a Cerny interview thread one of the first posts was something along the lines of "thanks, I'll watch this in the tub." Other posters ran with it as a joke, and now it's posted in every Cerny interview thread. I don't really get it, either.
Hmmm, seems to me that you chose the blue pill too..
Read carefully through what I wrote and think it through before replying.
That's all fine and good, but it's not worth a possible ban for name calling or whatever. I almost got caught up like that myself; it's not worth it to get that upset over gaming; shit's supposed to be fun! ; )not really, cloud computing is pretty exciting for me when talking about the non-gaming space, what pisses me off is some douchebag stomping around and claiming I should be 'actively monitored for spreading fud' when saying MS has a better cloud capability than Sony do.
They fucking do, they are one of the largest cloud players, rival to google, Sony is not.
What is unproven is how well this will impact gaming. Of course a spokesman for Sony will claim that it's 'not a big deal' and he might be right. But time will tell for both of em and Sony is obviously looking into the possibilities as well.
Except Azure is a commercial product available for anyone - including Sony if they wanted - to purchase.faulty logic all over the place.
'cloud' isn't a microsoft invention, but azure, the cloud technology that will be powering the xbox one online component is completely owned and operated by microsoft.
Sony does not have an azure, your post is flat out wrong.
Except Azure is a commercial product available for anyone - including Sony if they wanted - to purchase.
not really, cloud computing is pretty exciting for me when talking about the non-gaming space, what pisses me off is some douchebag stomping around and claiming I should be 'actively monitored for spreading fud' when saying MS has a better cloud capability than Sony do.
They fucking do, they are one of the largest cloud players, rival to google, Sony is not.
What is unproven is how well this will impact gaming. Of course a spokesman for Sony will claim that it's 'not a big deal' and he might be right. But time will tell for both of em and Sony is obviously looking into the possibilities as well.
Except Azure is a commercial product available for anyone - including Sony if they wanted - to purchase.
In addition you have other cloud operators available, Sony currently use Amazon for certain things on PSN.
You and Dragonelite have said the same, and I have never heard anything like this before?
I'm no tech expert, but I do pop into the "build a PC' thread that's on GAF because it interests me. And they always talk about upgrading your GPU to improve the graphics, getting drivers to improve capabilities, overclocking/cooling for efficiency. But I've never heard anyone say "why don't you offload some computations to a second computer, you know to free up your system to do other things?"
webforum that is predominantly read by people who already agree with what you're saying
I'm open to a Mod verifying me privately. Bring it.
Because games and devs don't support it.
If i could connect my gaming laptop with a ethernet cable to my desktop to get an extra 2 Tflops of compute i would. What do you think those super computer clusters are doing.
GI from the sun is hardly dynamic in anyway.
Update how sunlight propagate through a level every minute for 120 min day night cycle.
When deferred render engines can almost render unlimited amounts of point lights. You can have an spatial data structure send from the cloud that tells the game engine to put x amount of point lights with y color at z location to simulate GI from a big light source like the Sun or Moon.
Before you go further down the rabbit hole and wasting your time arguing with dragonelite be mindful that he tried to sell the MS cloud service as the reason they now have waves in Battlefield 4 multiplayer.But isn't the reaction to the GI and light completely dynamic? That is, dependant on the variable location of the character, world, angle, objects etc.
Would be great if you went back into the thread where 7 people asked you to clarify your statement. Right now that thread tells quite a different story from what you say now.That is not what i said. I said they could use server to sync or run the simulation for the waves on.
They have Gaikai, which will have sort sort of GPU emphasised clusters since running games is it's primary use. Azure on the other hand is more CPU and virtual server emphasised, with very little in terms of GPU gaming capabilities. So I wouldn't necessarily say Microsoft is well ahead of the curve simply because they have Azure. Azure is not designed for the kind of computing you think it is, at least in relation to graphics and GPU intensive tasks. Having said that, Azure is something that is set up for wide use. I doubt they will or can even afford to just use it's infrastructure primarily for the Xbox One.
Your reaction to his post is quite telling.
Sounds like selective pardoning. 'Might be' in this instance means it's something that could benefit from cloud computing, and in the context, it's absolute rubbish.
And lol at drawing a distinction that separates lighting as an element of graphics...
Before you go further down the rabbit hole and wasting your time arguing with dragonelite be mindful that he tried to sell the MS cloud service as the reason they now have waves in Battlefield 4 multiplayer.
But isn't the reaction to the GI and light completely dynamic? That is, dependant on the variable location of the character, world, angle, objects etc, and requiring constant updates (latency sensitive).
Before you go further down the rabbit hole and wasting your time arguing with dragonelite be mindful that he tried to sell the MS cloud service as the reason they now have waves in Battlefield 4 multiplayer.
Ever seen an shadow from the sun be dynamic that if you stared at the for like a minute changed significantly. Im mostly talking about lighting which in deferred rendering isn't that hard and could save some computation. Shadowing is more a computational intense task.
If it means you can offload the sun gi to the cloud and render more shadows then it will boost graphics a bit.
Off course you have to plan for it you could just disable GI when there is no connection to the cloud.