Designate each other's consoles as your "home". Done.
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PS4: Two people can play on the same account at the same time.
- Thread starter GribbleGrunger
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Designate each other's consoles as your "home". Done.
BadAss2961
Member
Sounds much easier to keep it this way.
WhoaIsThatMars
Member
You can play the same game at the same time as long as you're logged into two different accounts
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
That's where my main line of inquiry lies as the system PS3 used is nothing like 360's since you can have the account on 2 units. One home unit and another secondary unit. He does not state whether or not you need or can be logged in to the same account on 2 systems in order to play. I'm leaning towards the same system in place on PS3 because we have no words to lean it enough the other way until we get clarity.
That's the thing you can do on the current system with the sharing system. There is no "making a system the primary". There's 2 activation's. Both are considered primary's. There's isn't enough in the sentence to lean the way of saying this isn't the traditional sharing system though. That's what I would like clarity on since I heavily used this feature but have toned it back since the revision to 2 shares instead of 5.
I want to agree with you but am not jumping to one conclusion. I will restate that he didn't really say any of that but from the looks of the short words, it sounds like you can have 2 account activation's like the current PS3 system.
Easy work around....
1. you make YOUR "home" console the console he is going to primarily use...
2. you make HIS "home" console the one that YOU are going to primarily use...
both of you can use all of the content you each purchase...
- there is nothing to "fix" this is DRM...its just plain going to be this way from here on out...publishers need to protect their content somehow...
easier? maybe....but not financially beneficial to the developers in any way...
i think based on what was said its pretty clear that the OLD (PS3) way of sharing is gone...you've got a home console where EVERYONE can access the content...and then you can sign in on other consoles and access YOUR content...but once youre account is logged out...the content wont work...
Question then becomes how often can you change the console that is activated. MS started off allowing you to change it once a year, then it became twice a year, and now I believe it's once every 4 months.
PS3 style game sharing is gone people.
These will probably be the ways to "share" with a friend who also owns a PS4.
Based on that Knack information Sony makes it sound like hardware licences are not title dependent like 360 so you will need to specify a HOME console for all content.
1. The always connected way. Set your friend as the Home console for your account. They will then have offline access to your purchased content, but you will have to be signed in at all times on your own console.
2. The crazy trade Home consoles and accounts way. Set your account;s Home console as your friends PS4 hardware. Have you friend do the same but with his account and your PS4. Purchase your games using your friends account that now has your PS4 assigned as the Home console. Your friend's PS4 will be able to play those games (your games you decided to purchase) when signed into PSN using their own account. Even though those games were purchased using your friends account since your console is assigned as his Home console you will have full offline access so you can sign into your profile and get trophies etc. So you basically have all the rights of the owner even though it was purchased on someone elses account. Obviously you'll want to be putting your money'/credit card information into your friend's account. Your friend will do the same on their end. If you go to another friends house or buy another PS4 and want to play your games you will need to sign into your friends account where you games were purchased. I'm unsure if you will then be able to sign into your own profile on a second controller like 360 though. Yeah it's convoluted.
3. The way you have always been able to do. Give them your username and password so when you are at work or something they can log in and play games. If it's like 360 they can log you in on a second controller, connect to PSN, and then sign in their own account as the primary player so they can get their own trophies and saves. This is not ideal in the slightest. It's possible it is not like the 360 and you will only be able to play those games using your friends account. Anyone know the answer to that?
Either way it requires sharing passwords, not really owning your content, or being connected at all times. None of it is ideal.
These will probably be the ways to "share" with a friend who also owns a PS4.
Based on that Knack information Sony makes it sound like hardware licences are not title dependent like 360 so you will need to specify a HOME console for all content.
1. The always connected way. Set your friend as the Home console for your account. They will then have offline access to your purchased content, but you will have to be signed in at all times on your own console.
2. The crazy trade Home consoles and accounts way. Set your account;s Home console as your friends PS4 hardware. Have you friend do the same but with his account and your PS4. Purchase your games using your friends account that now has your PS4 assigned as the Home console. Your friend's PS4 will be able to play those games (your games you decided to purchase) when signed into PSN using their own account. Even though those games were purchased using your friends account since your console is assigned as his Home console you will have full offline access so you can sign into your profile and get trophies etc. So you basically have all the rights of the owner even though it was purchased on someone elses account. Obviously you'll want to be putting your money'/credit card information into your friend's account. Your friend will do the same on their end. If you go to another friends house or buy another PS4 and want to play your games you will need to sign into your friends account where you games were purchased. I'm unsure if you will then be able to sign into your own profile on a second controller like 360 though. Yeah it's convoluted.
3. The way you have always been able to do. Give them your username and password so when you are at work or something they can log in and play games. If it's like 360 they can log you in on a second controller, connect to PSN, and then sign in their own account as the primary player so they can get their own trophies and saves. This is not ideal in the slightest. It's possible it is not like the 360 and you will only be able to play those games using your friends account. Anyone know the answer to that?
Either way it requires sharing passwords, not really owning your content, or being connected at all times. None of it is ideal.
Hate to say it, but I think you're slightly mistaken. Your account can't be active on both at the same time. You'll be signed out of one.
The way to do what you want to do is to make his console your account's home.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
You can change it at will on PS3. I don't suspect any different on PS3. I can also deactivate any unit on the SEN website right now so if I mess up and give my creds to someone who two-faced me I can deactivate his unit from the web browser.
Did he say that though? For someone like me who might be doing this with another person it's definitely relevant. It's not a big deal as long as I can access my own stuff on multiple units.
The question is then what can Yoshida say to clarify since he's making it sound like 2 people can play the same game on 2 units.
UNLESS it's like certain games on PS3 which cannot be shared and we know we've seen that before so we can't jump the gun just based on Knack.
This is what's listed for Knack
https://store.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/#!/en-us/cid=UP9000-CUSA00068_00-KNACK00000000000
The DRM is more restrictive than PS3, the same as 360.
https://store.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/#!/en-us/cid=UP9000-CUSA00068_00-KNACK00000000000
The DRM is more restrictive than PS3, the same as 360.
MeBecomingI
Member
I'd rather Sony put out something a bit more official than a condensed tweet. Tweeting stuff like this only leads to interpretation problems.
Sorcerer Supreme
Member
And then be forced to be online at all times? Why change it from the way it is now on the PS3 and Vita?
Currently we can both play GTA V on our consoles with two separate accounts offline without have to designate one console as our "home" system. This is a HUGE step backwards for Sony who's been pro-consumer as of late.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Yes. As soon as the Plus account leaves then the rest lose access. I don't really care about that feature as I use my main account all the time on my own unit. I don't know of anyone who has 10 accounts and one with PSN just to piggyback off each other. I'm sure there's some out there but they are definitely in the minority.
I'm curious if that means just having the credentials saved or being logged in literally.
One person is Yoshida, the other is not a Sony employee. Right now it's not clear enough but I will take Yoshida's word over mortimer any day.
PS3: Can download a game for max 2 consoles and can play offline on both or can play online with any account logged in.
PS4: Can download on unlimited amount of consoles but can play offline or can play online with any account logged in on home console only. Need to be logged in owner account on all other consoles.
So the system is better and worse at the same time but in my opinion still remains fair.
PS4: Can download on unlimited amount of consoles but can play offline or can play online with any account logged in on home console only. Need to be logged in owner account on all other consoles.
So the system is better and worse at the same time but in my opinion still remains fair.
BadAss2961
Member
I need the whole picture... Because Yoshida says one thing, and Mortimer elaborates on it to another level.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Together their tweets = Xbox 360 method, and what I presume will be the Xbox One method.
The only person that gets it lol.
I'll try to simplify for people still not getting it.
You have 2 PS4s
You have 2 Seperate Accounts
Now account one logs into ps4 1 loads all his games and has ps+
Now you give that ps4 to a friend and they can now play all your ps4 games and play online with there own account. They never touch your account again because it will boot you off.
Now you take out your second ps4 reload your account on this console and reload all of your games. You now have access to everything you own as long as you are online.
This is great if both people want to use 2 Seperate accounts to play the same game at the same time.
The downfall is you have to always be online to access any of your content on the second ps4.
Where people are getting confused is that with ps3 you were able to activate your games twice. This will not be the case.your games will be linked to the console you purchased them on and your personal psn account.
So to use this method you are joing the always online drm future you have been fighting against. Welcome Brothers.
that is implied based on what he has said, yes..
yes, using DIFFERENT PSN ID's...my brother can play MY content on MY PS4 using HIS PSN...at the same time i can be on HIS PS4 playing my content...
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
All this is not what Yoshida said though. That short sentence does not compute with your long interpretation. He said
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This sounds like it to me as well. It's not official but I'm on your page.
What I was responding to is that some specific games are not allowed to be shared. Mainly big titles. That's why I called out that specific part but thanks for also adding that.
Not that it matters but it's been like that for years so I don't see it as a new argument "dick waving" victory now but as sensitive as things are people want to cheer everything and anything.
If you want to share a game, get the physical copy. Expecting them to continue basically giving you two copies of a digital game is unrealistic.
Play your game with any account or offline on the primary console
or...
Play the game with any PS4 when logged on with the account that bought the game.
Seems pretty reasonable to me.
Play your game with any account or offline on the primary console
or...
Play the game with any PS4 when logged on with the account that bought the game.
Seems pretty reasonable to me.
I think all he is saying is, your Console A can be in use by anyone (with an account on the system), while you play on Console B signed into your main account. Two separate accounts.
Say your wife is playing a game you purchased on Console A, signed in on her account, and since it's Console A anyone with a local account can play on it.
I can read fine.
You have 2 systems you can be activated on (just like on PS3). Console A and Console B. Console A has no restrictions. Any account on Console A can play any content on Console A.
Console B, you must be signed in to the account that purchased the content to play.
blitzcloud
Banned
I sounds like you can from what Yosh has posted.
sure, if you put words that he never said into his mouth you can.
WhoaIsThatMars
Member
Maybe you didn't read the news earlier this week about the phrasing currently on the PSN Store for PS4 game preorders?
I sounds like you can from what Yosh has posted.
What he's saying is that she can play on his home machine by logging in with her account...or at least that's what he means.
VIDEO FOR ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T GET THIS
Watch from :45 to 1:20.
Sorcerer Supreme
Member
How is it unrealistic if this is what Sony is currently doing with the two system activation limit on the PS3 and Vita?
I can't believe there are people defending this.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
1/ You download a game on your PS4
2/ Someone else signs into your account and downloads it too (on another PS4)
3/ You now both have access to the same content simultaneously. (no need for either of you to sign out to let the other play)
That's how simple I'm seeing this.
2/ Someone else signs into your account and downloads it too (on another PS4)
3/ You now both have access to the same content simultaneously. (no need for either of you to sign out to let the other play)
That's how simple I'm seeing this.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Maybe you didn't read the news earlier this week about the phrasing currently on the PSN Store for PS4 game preorders?
Now, let me restate for the 3rd time. This might be a special case for Knack but the wording is there as plain as day. I don't really care but as I noted to alright's post earlier, some PS3 games cannot be shared. This might be the case with Knack but it does not bespoke of the situation with all PS4 games just due to how Knack is worded despite what I just outlined in my capture above.
So this means either Knack is restricted or you can maybe have 2 accounts logged into 2 consoles concurrently. Or not but Yoshida didn't clarify enough.
famousmortimer
Banned
My wife is excited there is a GAF thread that is mentioning "Dangerwife" but I'm with the people that say that we don't get any definitive info out of Shu. Because if we did... I would have made the thread myself since I'm the one that asked him.
That ends the conversation then doesnt it? It's the 360 method.
No....only on the HOME console would both accounts be able to access it....if you both want to be playing at the same time YOU (the purchaser) would need to be logged in on the other PS4
WhoaIsThatMars
Member
Now, let me restate for the 3rd time. This might be a special case for Knack but the wording is there as plain as day. I don't really care but as I noted to alright's post earlier, some PS3 games cannot be shared. This might be the case with Knack but it does not bespoke of the situation with all PS4 games just due to how Knack is worded despite what I just outlined in my capture above.
I've never had a situation in which a game could not be shared on PS3. Meh, we'll find out in a month
Sword Of Doom
Member
lucius
Member
Ok this makes sense and probably better for game devolopers protecting content since you really don't want to give your ID info to anyone but close family members.
Now, let me restate for the 3rd time. This might be a special case for Knack but the wording is there as plain as day. I don't really care but as I noted to alright's post earlier, some PS3 games cannot be shared. This might be the case with Knack but it does not bespoke of the situation with all PS4 games just due to how Knack is worded despite what I just outlined in my capture above.
So this means either Knack is restricted or you can maybe have 2 accounts logged into 2 consoles concurrently. Or not but Yoshida didn't clarify enough.
VIDEO FOR ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T GET THIS
Watch from :45 to 1:20
Yes, it's an official PS channel. Yes, it's all content. No, I don't know how else to explain it.
Your account can't be signed in at the same time. Therefore the user in (2) will be unable to use the games if you're back home on the activated machine playing online.
Sword Of Doom
Member
This makes more sense
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
It's been a while but I did. Unless Sony changed their system for PS3 which might be true. A friend of mine shared some big retail games with me including something like Nino Kuni. Years back certain games had that 24 hour limit which I think Sony did away with when they went to the 2 activation system.
Thanks for the link.
That's how PS3 works, not how PS4 supposedly works.
BadAss2961
Member
blitzcloud
Banned
game sharing is a definitive need for me. Otherwise early adopting is out of the scheme for me and a friend of mine. it may have looked like an exploit, but it was about the true and only fair digital pricing scheme, considering you're essentially splitting the costs in two, which would be roughly what Sony would get from a retail game anyways, given the retailer cut, the printing, the distribution and all that.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I'm getting so confused here. Why are you disagreeing? That's what I just said:
1/ You download a game on your PS4
2/ Someone else signs into your account and downloads it too (on another PS4)
3/ You now both have access to the same content simultaneously. (no need for either of you to sign out to let the other play)
One would hope.
Except that all users have access to online play without their own plus account.