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#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"

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Carl

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Pistolero said:
Did my modest part and used Gofreak's well thought text!

Question : I am new to twitter (signed 2 or 3 days ago). How can I see the "page" (for a lack of a better word) hosting all the anti-DRM messages?
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Type #PS4NoDRM in the search box and you'll find all tweets tagged with that
 
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game_boy

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It's trending!

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farisr

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Hex said:
No reason why a thread has not been made and they have not been doing it already.
Really makes no sense why it has not been being done.
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It makes sense to put the most focus on convincing the guys who provide the most feedback and actually seem to be listening to consumers at this point.

MS has gotten sick of the backlash and "whining."

Sony on the other hand is welcoming this right now. Getting Sony not to implement this is the best way to get through to MS.

That's my take on it.
 
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P44

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Schobeleth said:
Yeah I think it's a lot of apologists who are twisting anti-consumer DRM into - "HEY, THIS IS GREAT! THIS MEANS ALL MY GAMES ARE ON ONE ACCOUNT, FOREVER! I never have to transfer them and I buy all my games new so this doesn't affect me! It also means MORE GAMES FOR XBOX ONE, because it means MORE MONEY for developers/publishers, right?? right???"

Did I cover everything? :p
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It sort of works with steam, because it genuinely is a bit of an annoyance to have multiple sign-ins to remember, personally, but yes your point still stands.
 
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GuardianE

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Gold_Loot said:
Help me guys! I'm new to the whole twitter thing.. Do I just make a direct tweet to @Yosp , or do I need to do something with this "hashtag" thing?
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I'm don't really use twitter either, but all you have to do is start the tweet with @yosp and include the hashtag #PS4NoDRM and whatever other hashtags you want somewhere in your message to him.
 
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Silent_Ocarina

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Radec said:
Man, imagine if Sony still blocks used games after this.

Gaf would explode in anger. :lol
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Still worth a shot. Who knows, if Sony still finds it in their best interest to implement some form of this, I think Sony might offer its fans something extra to maintain goodwill.
 
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dab0ne

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Gold_Loot said:
Help me guys! I'm new to the whole twitter thing.. Do I just make a direct tweet to @Yosp , or do I need to do something with this "hashtag" thing?
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on the twitter page go to "Home"

Under your name it will say "compose new tweet"

Copy and paste this:

@yosp @jpkoller @luckylongworth @rohdescott #PS4NoDRM #PS4USEDGAMES

Then with your remaining characters type a message or not.
 
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Hex

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Radec said:
Man, imagine if Sony still blocks used games after this.

Gaf would explode in anger. :lol
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If they do, it means that it was already in motion and beyond changing.
It is two weeks before E3 and already after the reveal so that is a possibility.
Again not only that, but it may not be their choice it may be something the third parties are demanding at this point a PS4 without third parties is dead in the water.
Either the third parties will come on board or they will not, and hopefully Sony can find a middle ground with them.
 
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waypoetic

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While you're tweeting to Patrick Söderlund over at DICE, why not let @L_Twin (head honcho) and @PatrickBach (producer) at DICE also know what's up.

And Christofer Sundberg (@CHsundberg) and Linus Blomberg (@BlombergLinus) - founders of Avalanche Studios!

It's 03.12 in Sweden right now though so they're most definitely asleep.
 
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10101

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Gold_Loot said:
Help me guys! I'm new to the whole twitter thing.. Do I just make a direct tweet to @Yosp , or do I need to do something with this "hashtag" thing?
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I'm in the same boat I just joined tonight to tweet these guys. Try something like...

@yosp @jpkoller @luckylongworth @rohdescott @shanewatch @nsuttner Stop the used games & u will lose my sale, simple. #PS4NODRM

EDIT: And do something similar for the 3rd party list too :)
 
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BobTheFork

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CEO Kaz Hirai ‏@KazHiraiCEO 11h
Sony has seen your #PS4NoDrM hashtag and took note. We now have absolutely no intention to release Dr Mario on PS4


Ok, I didn't see this when it happened by that's damn funny.
 
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Jondoyle123

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so forgetting about used games for a while ....

whats the chances of sony taking the online only ( or as ms call it not onine , but requires 24 hour checks) approach

i thought they had been outspoken against it ?

the used game debate hurts but thinking that my game collection will be useless in years to come hurts a lot more
 
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ShroudOfFate

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Jondoyle123 said:
so forgetting about used games for a while ....

whats the chances of sony taking the online only ( or as ms call it not onine , but requires 24 hour checks) approach

i thought they had been outspoken against it ?

the used game debate hurts but thinking that my game collection will be useless in years to come hurts a lot more
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Well, there is a quote by some guy at Sony saying it can be used without ever being connected to the internet, so I think the chances of that are very small.

Edit: Actually it came from Shuhei Yoshida himself.

Shuhei Yoshida said:
Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally. Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social! So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that.
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-the-big-interview-sonys-shuhei-yoshida-on-ps4
 
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OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather

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Jondoyle123 said:
so forgetting about used games for a while ....

whats the chances of sony taking the online only ( or as ms call it not onine , but requires 24 hour checks) approach

i thought they had been outspoken against it ?

the used game debate hurts but thinking that my game collection will be useless in years to come hurts a lot more
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Shuhei Yoshida has gone on record stating that always online was not even considered: http://www.officialplaystationmagaz...even-considered-as-option-say-shuhei-yoshida/

Shuhei Yoshida said:
”It makes sense for people to have internet connections to play online games, but for offline games there are many countries that we saw do not really have robust internet… We didn’t even consider that.” He clarified by adding, ”Did we consider it [always-online]? No, we didn’t consider it. The main reason being that many countries don’t have robust internet connections”.
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Knux-Future

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Jondoyle123 said:
so forgetting about used games for a while ....

whats the chances of sony taking the online only ( or as ms call it not onine , but requires 24 hour checks) approach

i thought they had been outspoken against it ?

the used game debate hurts but thinking that my game collection will be useless in years to come hurts a lot more
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Yeah, this is the bargaining stage talking but I'd take the no used games hit over always online.

However, I think Sony was a bit more clear on that aspect of it by mentioning that not everyone has good internet and that one can play without EVER having to connect to the internet...which makes one wonder how the fuck would they implement the no used game things.


also lets be real here...there will be some DRM. The PS3 has DRM. So I wonder how Sony can actually come out and say they aren't doing this when...technically they are.

lol.
 
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fatty

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CheapyD said:
I make money when people buy used games. I'm not your hero, I'm not your savior. Forget what you know.

And I surely don't understand why you gave up on Microsoft so easily. Well, yes I do.
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Not sure what you're getting at, who's calling you a hero/savior?
 
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Skilletor

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Jacksonlee said:
jesus, that Xbox thread is depressing.... where people who gave up on life posts :/
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I would post, but I've already decided I'm done with MS. The way the Xbox has been handled since kinect + recent announcements means the first console I'll skip since the N64.

Also, it's super depressing to see people post this:

No used games = less people with small income (aka kids and teens) on the system = Xbox Live back to the glorious first years
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And somebody respond like this:

I never thought of it that way :)
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I see that in a thread and go grandpasimpson.gif

lol
 
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Neff

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It will be better for us all in the end if this campaign fails. Used/rental is blatantly worse than piracy where consoles are concerned. The industry can no longer afford itself and measures need to be taken.
 
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benny_a

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CheapyD said:
And I surely don't understand why you gave up on Microsoft so easily. Well, yes I do.
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Do you get a different GAF version than I do?

The whole Adam Orth thing? Weeks Months of shitting on the Always-Online rumors. Tens of threads created about the rumors that were present on all the game industry websites about this issue for the upcoming Xbox.

Yeah, sure. GAF let MS down. It's not the other way around. FFS.
 
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Orpheus Telos

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Neff said:
It will be better for us all in the end if this campaign fails. Used/rental is blatantly worse than piracy where consoles are concerned. The industry can no longer afford itself and measures need to be taken.
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SMH. I just can't fathom how someone could think used/rentals are worse than piracy.
 
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famousmortimer

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Taurus said:
Instead of flaming console wars and calling out Xbox One in every possible opportunity, he should try to unite gamers. What a wasted opportunity.
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I didn't even read any of the posts. The account has less than 100 followers though so it's a mere blip at this point.

It's not like @collarofduty
 
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Freki

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Neff said:
It will be better for us all in the end if this campaign fails. Used/rental is blatantly worse than piracy where consoles are concerned. The industry can no longer afford itself and measures need to be taken.
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Read this - nobody could formulate it any better:

faceless007 said:
Well, this is the disconnect I guess. You admit you only hold this view because of the detrimental effects (you think) are impacting the industry. You are asserting that a fundamental aspect of property rights and consumer rights as it has existed since the beginning of trade should be adjusted and recodified on a per-industry basis, not because it's inherently bad or unethical, but just because you think it's a threat to the industry's health. Which means you are essentially arguing for protectionism for corporations--consumers are free to exercise their consumer rights only up to a certain point, but if that free exercise is perceived to threaten the viability of the industry, then their rights must be limited in order to save the industry.

I don't think I can put into words my disgust at this demeaning display of groveling at the feet of your game developer overlords. Even a die-hard laissez-faire capitalist would not be so subservient, because even a capitalist would accept that sometimes industries die and that's the way the world works. As much as I enjoy games, there is no inherent good in this industry. The ends do not justify the means here; there is nothing that makes the gaming industry inherently worthy of preservation, not to the point that would justify carving out a special exemption for them where used games are somehow magically not OK when they are OK for every other packaged good on the planet. Just because your favored set of content producers couldn't properly adapt does not justify rewriting the rules of what "property ownership" means and fundamentally removing the ability to preserve, inherit, pass on, lend, and share its products.

The industry does not come first; consumers do. I have no sympathy for an industry that cannot properly stumble its way around a viable secondhand market like every other mature industry in the world. Sometimes your old product just isn't good enough, and the way you solve it is by making a better product, not by forcing consumers to adapt to your archaic and myopic business model with your dying breath. If this industry can't find a way to make money off the primary market -- even with DLC and exclusive pre-order content and HD re-releases and map packs and online passes and annualized sequels and "expanding the audience" and AAA advertising and forced multiplayer -- then, if I may be so blunt, fuck it. It doesn't deserve our money in the first place. If an entire industry has its head so far up its ass, is so focused on short-term gains, and has embraced such a catastrophically stupid blockbuster business model in the pursuit of a stagnant market of hardcore 18-34 dudebros that it thinks it has no choice but to take away our first-sale rights as its last chance of maybe, finally, creating a sustainable stream of profits, then it can go to hell. It doesn't need your protection, it needs to be taken out back and beaten until it remembers who its real masters are.

I especially have a hard time having any sympathy because so many of the industry's problems are of its own making. They chose to focus on shaderific HD graphics over long-lasting appeal and gameplay; they chose to focus on linear scripted cinematic B-movie imitations that were only good for one playthrough instead of replayability and open-ended design; they chose to pour so much money and marketing into military porn and fetishized violent shootbang Press A to Awesome titles, exactly the kinds of games that hardcore gamers, the most likely gamers to trade in games quickly were prone to buying and reselling; and perhaps most galling, they chose to give Gamestop loads of exclusive pre-order bonuses while they knew exactly what Gamestop would say to those customers once in the store. They kept making insanely lavish and nonsensical displays of spectacular whizz-bang, despite that being exactly the kind of game most susceptible to trading after one week because there was nothing left to do with it. And now they're discovering that putting so many insanely expensive eggs into one fragile and easily breakable basket is maybe not the most sustainable business model ever.

So forgive me if I find myself not caring one bit when the industry complains that it's just so hard to sell six million copies of Gears of Medal of Battle of Uncharted Angry Dudes VII in the first week and that's why they need to take away used sales for the entire platform. No, the problem isn't at this end.
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10101

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Neff said:
It will be better for us all in the end if this campaign fails. Used/rental is blatantly worse than piracy where consoles are concerned. The industry can no longer afford itself and measures need to be taken.
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Crazy idea I know, but how about those measures don't involve taking away consumer rights and involve managing their budgets better / trimming the fat?
 
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Knux-Future

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Neff said:
It will be better for us all in the end if this campaign fails. Used/rental is blatantly worse than piracy where consoles are concerned. The industry can no longer afford itself and measures need to be taken.
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please tell how prevent the simple act of lending a game to your friend helps anyone?

If the industry can't afford itself then they need to figure that out on their own. The Movie industry they want to be so bad, still allows rental and second hand movies and seems to do just fine.

Why is the gaming industry so special? If anything these restrictions will hasten it's demise. People will only buy what they know and take less risks, thus leading to a system where only specific titles sell and leaving us with a bunch of shooters and racers. That sounds awful. The thing that is killing anythign is the over-reliance on AAA. They created a system where A and AA games dont appeal and thus bomb. Rgus we are left the same franchises over and over and over.

That isn't the fault of used games or rentals

i get that Gamestop fucked up some things....but take that up with them..not the customers
 
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