polyh3dron
Banned
Wow so this game I bought which was originally an inferior piece of shit is no longer an inferior piece of shit.
If only it was like that to begin with.
If only it was like that to begin with.
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PSA: Zone of the Enders HD patch out in Europe. [Up: Now up in the US]
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InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Well the PS2 version was still the best before but other than that spot on.
Man, the English translation in this game is so bad.
I mean, it's right up there with the original Resident Evil in terms of line delivery but somehow makes even less sense. Stuff like "Damn, I lost my comrades again." and "Rick! Don't die!" definitely remind me of those classic performances.
"You better come back. It'll be fun from now on"
"You can't deceive me with beautiful words like freedom and independence anymore!"
"You can only stay alive when you're aboard Jehuty."
"Jehuty?"
"The machine supplements your heart and lungs. That power comes from Jehuty"
"What?"
"The minute you get off Jehuty it will stop providing energy! You will die if you leave Jehuty."
Jehuty Jehuty Jehuty Jehuty!!!
When you hear this stuff spoken it sounds outrageously bad. I actually own the JP version of the original game as well and, while the script isn't great, it sounds much more natural. They directly translated lines which don't really sound correct in English and ultimately spoil the dialog.
It's much smoother than the original PS2 release and generally holds 60 fps during gameplay. Even the cutscenes run smoother this time.
I mean, it's right up there with the original Resident Evil in terms of line delivery but somehow makes even less sense. Stuff like "Damn, I lost my comrades again." and "Rick! Don't die!" definitely remind me of those classic performances.
"You better come back. It'll be fun from now on"
"You can't deceive me with beautiful words like freedom and independence anymore!"
"You can only stay alive when you're aboard Jehuty."
"Jehuty?"
"The machine supplements your heart and lungs. That power comes from Jehuty"
"What?"
"The minute you get off Jehuty it will stop providing energy! You will die if you leave Jehuty."
Jehuty Jehuty Jehuty Jehuty!!!
When you hear this stuff spoken it sounds outrageously bad. I actually own the JP version of the original game as well and, while the script isn't great, it sounds much more natural. They directly translated lines which don't really sound correct in English and ultimately spoil the dialog.
100% certain.
It's much smoother than the original PS2 release and generally holds 60 fps during gameplay. Even the cutscenes run smoother this time.
Dragon1893
Member
Damn, that's awesome, I really love ZOE2, looks like this is the definitive version of the game afterall, I was so disappointed with it before.
Skyfireblaze
Member
Whooo I'm happy the patch is finally out! 
Though one question, do the changes in image-quality also affect Z.o.E. 1?
Though one question, do the changes in image-quality also affect Z.o.E. 1?Fried Food
Banned
Looks like it's time to pick this bad boy up. If only the Silent Hill HD collection could have a patch like this.
Yes! As of this moment I love Hexadrive. Just finished the Aumaan Entrance battle. It was so smooth. It dipped still, but not to 15-10fps like before, and not as frequently. I had a hard time noticing dips actually. This mission was the biggest reason to ask for a remake and now I am pleased. I'm sure the rest of the game is running a flawless 60fps after this. Rejoice!
I was just going to chime in on that one.Whooo I'm happy the patch is finally out!
The answer is NO. ZOE 1 appears to be untouched.
When you start ZOE 2 a "HexaDrive" logo appears when the game is launched while nothing extra shows up for ZOE 1.
The framerate in ZOE 1 is just as unstable as it was in the original release. It certainly runs much better than ZOE 2 used to but it's nowhere near as smooth as the original PS2 version. Particle effects result in regularly slowdown and general gameplay rarely holds steady. It also lacks the anti-aliasing added to the sequel.
I'm kind of surprised and disappointed. Not that I love the original game all that much but it would have been nice to have both games properly remastered instead of just ZOE 2. ZOE 2 is virtually flawless at this point but the original game is still in somewhat poor condition.
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
No big loss, ZOE2 is the only good ZOE game anyway.
Fried Food
Banned
Hmm in that case maybe I won't be picking up the game. That news just leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
Eh, in the end, it's not so bad.
ZOE2 runs almost flawlessly while ZOE1 is still quite playable. ZOE2 was previously unplayable in comparison.
chickdigger802
Banned
wheres the cheapest i can get this atm?
thelastword
Banned
Still it's really embarrassing when we consider the disparity between the two devs. The former could not get a stable fps with worse IQ, yet Hexadrive not only stabilized the framerate but did so whilst also implementing anti-aliasing.
I still don't understand why they didn't redo both games though, at the end of the day you buy a collection of two games, not just Zoe2. I hope there's an explanation. Can one of our gaf investigators find out the reason for this?
I still don't understand why they didn't redo both games though, at the end of the day you buy a collection of two games, not just Zoe2. I hope there's an explanation. Can one of our gaf investigators find out the reason for this?
chickdigger802
Banned
weird, you can't just get ZOE2 on psn?
ew collection is $26 on amazon, should have gotten it during sale.
ew collection is $26 on amazon, should have gotten it during sale.
IdreamofHIME
Member
If youre in Europe it's on sale until the end of Tomorrow.
...they should really extend the sale to celebrate this patch, I know a lot of people on GAF were holding back for the patch to come.
Shadow Ranger
Member
Glad I waited to open my copy. It'd be nice if ZOE1 is fixed, but this is still great news. Perhaps they wanted to get ZOE2's patch out first whilst work continues on the first game.
Kudos to Konami for providing a positive outcome to this.
Kudos to Konami for providing a positive outcome to this.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
That sucks.
Tawney Bomb
Member
Now hire Hexadrive to fix Silent Hill HD
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
Yeah but SH is a dead IP (im sorry but its true) ZOE collection was to determine possible interest in the series in order to make a third one and Konami seems to have intentionally sabotaged the game again and again.
sechsterangriff
Member
Fixed that for you.Now hire Hexadrive for the PSVita version
Btw, didn't Silent Hill HD also receive patch on the PS3? I'm guessing it didn't much...
boredandlazy
Member
Silent Hill HD was beyond patching. They'd need to begin again to fix that horseshit.Fixed that for you.
Btw, didn't Silent Hill HD also receive patch on the PS3? I'm guessing it didn't much...
No ZOE1 is a shame, but eh, the combat in that game is not even good enough to warrant a significant overhall. And if there was a choice between Hexadrive working on 1 or 2, I would pick 2 and not even look back.
Here are my impressions of the playthrough with the patch:
- Game as a whole is a hell of a lot smoother than before. Even the cutscenes run better than before (usually on par with, or better than the PS2 version). Some of the slowdown in cutscenes seem to be moments that were hard-coded even in the original.
- The VR Training Mode isn't laggy as shit anymore (the grab object segment in VR Training has some slight slowdown, but grabbing and swinging objects in the main game is silky smooth)
- Ardjet fight ran with virtually no slow-down at any moment. Hell, it was fucking up my combo timing because I was so used to slowdowns when attacking her, even in the PS2 version.
- The Anubis battle is like absolute night and day here; the game's performance in that battle even runs laps around the PS2 version (there is literally no slow down when Anubis does his burst attack, which lagged down prior versions of the game, and Anubis simply teleporting does not actually make the game come to a crawl; it was running so well that Anubis was just rapidly teleporting so quickly). I was really surprised about how well Hexadrive improved this one.
- I had a lot of complaints with how the Nephtis 3 fight ran in the HD collection, even at the game's first streaming, so I checked it out. Like the Anubis battle, absolute night and day performance wise; the fight runs pretty smoothly, and has very minimal slowdowns (compared to the old HD version where Nephtis simply boosting around slowed the game to a crawl).
- The 100 LEV battle still runs kinda slow, but better than the PS2/pre-patch HD versions. It's a shame that they couldn't get this running fast, but depending on how this fight was programmed, that could have been probably the hardest thing to do.
- The Compressed Space Anubis battle runs sooo good in comparison to how it used to run.
In short, yeah, post-patch ZOE2 is the definitive version by far.
Here are my impressions of the playthrough with the patch:
- Game as a whole is a hell of a lot smoother than before. Even the cutscenes run better than before (usually on par with, or better than the PS2 version). Some of the slowdown in cutscenes seem to be moments that were hard-coded even in the original.
- The VR Training Mode isn't laggy as shit anymore (the grab object segment in VR Training has some slight slowdown, but grabbing and swinging objects in the main game is silky smooth)
- Ardjet fight ran with virtually no slow-down at any moment. Hell, it was fucking up my combo timing because I was so used to slowdowns when attacking her, even in the PS2 version.
- The Anubis battle is like absolute night and day here; the game's performance in that battle even runs laps around the PS2 version (there is literally no slow down when Anubis does his burst attack, which lagged down prior versions of the game, and Anubis simply teleporting does not actually make the game come to a crawl; it was running so well that Anubis was just rapidly teleporting so quickly). I was really surprised about how well Hexadrive improved this one.
- I had a lot of complaints with how the Nephtis 3 fight ran in the HD collection, even at the game's first streaming, so I checked it out. Like the Anubis battle, absolute night and day performance wise; the fight runs pretty smoothly, and has very minimal slowdowns (compared to the old HD version where Nephtis simply boosting around slowed the game to a crawl).
- The 100 LEV battle still runs kinda slow, but better than the PS2/pre-patch HD versions. It's a shame that they couldn't get this running fast, but depending on how this fight was programmed, that could have been probably the hardest thing to do.
- The Compressed Space Anubis battle runs sooo good in comparison to how it used to run.
In short, yeah, post-patch ZOE2 is the definitive version by far.
Dragon1893
Member
There wasn't anything wrong with ZOE1 to begin with really. Frame-rate is fine most of the time. Of course they could've thrown in more AA for example (if even ZOE2 has AA now than the first game could easily run at 1080p with 4 MSAA but I guess they had a tight budget for this) but ZOE2 was the game that really needed fixing.
Besides, you only play through 1 to get up to speed with the story, it's all about 2, it's a million times better and the reason to buy this collection in the first place.
Edit: Damn, 594mb? Hi-res particles included in the patch lol.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Sounds like I need to pick this up then. Wasn't sure if I wanted the PS3 version or maybe buy my friend's PS2 copies if he still had them.
ShinoguTakeruKoeru
Member
I checked with the Japanese version a few hours ago, no dice.
sechsterangriff
Member
Well, at least NOW Konami knows who to go to for when they decide to make more HD remasters.
oh, the new low price version is coming out July 25th so I guess the patch will hit around that time.
CambriaRising
Member
Wow, just did the Vic viper fight and it was smooth as butter until he did his ultimate attacks, and even then it was a small amount if slow down.
Good job hexa. The game has noticeably better AA as well.
Good job hexa. The game has noticeably better AA as well.
chickdigger802
Banned
if this goes on sale today on psn us...
anyhow, ordered off amazon. Hope this stuff holds out. Never had a ps2, and people always said ZOE2 is like the best mecha game ever....
Is 1 worth dabbling in, like on easy to blast through or something?
anyhow, ordered off amazon. Hope this stuff holds out. Never had a ps2, and people always said ZOE2 is like the best mecha game ever....
Is 1 worth dabbling in, like on easy to blast through or something?
chickdigger802
Banned
hope digital foundry does a return article on this. They do seem like they have too much time on their hands analyzing unfinished demos.
boredandlazy
Member
I just bought it too. Usually I try to get physical copies but $16 is just too cheap to pass up.
It sucks that there will be no improvement patch for the 360 version but IIRC Konami did that again with the lack of patch for the 360 version of Silent Hill HD Collection so it's not that surprising that they continue to not give a fuck about their 360 customers.
Anyway I didn't buy the game at launch because of the performance issues and I guess I did the right thing, after this patch I'm definitely buying the PS3 version though.
RPGCrazied
Member
I have it, had it since the first of the month, but I'm in the middle of playing all the MGS games(on 3 now). And I just got the ICO and Shadow of Colossal HD collection. I might play one of those before next month, cause once Tales of Xillia is out, I'm giving that my full attention.
I'll grab the patch now though.
I'll grab the patch now though.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Alright this is what I was waiting for, shift to vector cannon mode!
Just bought my game, should be here by Friday. I swore I would support this as soon as this patch came out, so that is exactly what I am doing.
Just bought my game, should be here by Friday. I swore I would support this as soon as this patch came out, so that is exactly what I am doing.