FullMetaltech
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Depends. If your used to one life rounds and teamwork then you should have no problem getting the hand of it. But the key is really having patience and not running and gunning it.
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Rainbow Six Siege: Blood Orchid out September 5th, full details
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Depends. If your used to one life rounds and teamwork then you should have no problem getting the hand of it. But the key is really having patience and not running and gunning it.
Just be patient. Learn the maps, dont get discouraged because you will die a lot and look stupid sometimes but keep at it. Very rewarding game when things start to click.
Love all the changes, but it sucks that I have to play casual just to try out Theme Park
Retro Edge
Member
And that's where I also personally disagree. (With her response)
I still believe that it would be way, WAY better for the game if it gets a normal healthy sequel.
R6 shows exactly why "Games as a Service" isn't working sometimes.
This game, just technically, isn't capable of being supported for years and years, as you can clearly see with the need of operation health and the future complete removal of maps because of memory problems.
My advice would be to just do a real fresh sequel with up to date graphics, engine and technics. This could solve almost all problems at once if done right.
Just imagine a fresh R6 Siege that is coming out 2018 with actual technology.
The current one didn't even have PS Pro support nor real 1080p resolution...
I really believe that the support via patches will hurt this game more as it helps it in the end.
I really love how much players they gained over time, that's impressive and more then normal these days, but somewhere there is an end and even if its only technically. My PS4 is already preparing a new patch for freaking 2 hours until it finally begins to download because the PS4 isn't made to receive the 85th patch for a game.
And with the now appearing "memory problems", like I said, I'm just curious how long they can support this game until it breaks in many unrepairable pieces.
I play this game almost every single night since release and I wish them nothing as the best, even if it not sounds like that. Don't get me wrong.
Simo
Member
Yeah fuck that noise. I'm salty about that change.
All attackers keep their ACOGs of course so of course they get even more advantages.
Considering this is how her art looks like, the original ingame model was all wrong and derpy
legacyzero
Banned
I've played a lot of games that are harsh to newcomers. I was a newcomer as I only started playing about a year ago. The biggest challenge will probably be understanding the flow of everything. I'd advise playing with somebody that is already playing it a lot.
Defending:
Secure > Support > Strategize > Communicate
Attacking:
Spot > combine operators effectively > strategize > Communicate
Learn a few characters to start, and then begin to expand. Usually the ones to pick up and learn at first are Thermite, Ashe, Thatcher, are good Attackers to learn up front. While Castle, Mute, and Jaeger are great Defense operators to start with.
Check this site to see what all the Operators do. Really good stuff
https://rainbow6.ubisoft.com/siege/en-us/game-info/operators.aspx
TimeEffect
Member
Do NOT EVER BUY THE STARTER EDITION!
Plane is great. Operators like Mira, Blitz, Montagne, and Echo shine in Plane. I played one of my most strategic games there where we Mira'd the top cargo hall, and overlooked the middle, meeting room objective. It was such a fantastic experience because it turns into a slow standoff. You have an idea of enemy direction, you both know where you guys are, but you are slowly trying to consider your options for attacking/defending.
I love that map, spawn killing aside.
No, attackers keep their ACOGs. 3 speed Defenders lose their ACOGs to cut down on spawn peeking and make defenders more focused on CQC.
And eh, IQ needs a Jackal/Caveira styled update. Im not convinced she'll be as useful, as every update, people think IQ will finally be useful, but she ends up falling behind operators like Thatcher.
She is great if the enemy has a good Valk who throws cameras outside... I hope Lesion and Ela make her a stronger pick regardless.
The game is mostly about map knowledge, listening, and positioning. Jump in, learn the maps. With the new map system, you can focus on a few maps to learn in casual mode. even in death you can help your team by spotting
Bornstellar
Member
I just started. No.
First of all the ACOG has been reallocated, Bandit and Jäger lose it but someone else will get it. The problem wasn't defenders having ACOG but 3 speed defenders having ACOG. This allowed them to take long angles AND flank/relocate to a different long angle within seconds. No one's going to say anything about 1 speed operators having ACOG.
Secondly, it's the defenders who have the advantage in Siege with the prep time and ability to position themselves before attackers even spawn. It's the defenders who can win a game by simply stalling and letting the time run out. The odds are already in favour of defenders which is why the attackers need ACOG because they are the ones going into a fortified area, the defenders on the other hand are the ones fortifying and the building is "their territory".
The Last Wizard
Member
If only the new operators weren't so expensive and thunt completely ignored:/
legacyzero
Banned
But it is working. The player base alone proves that effortlessly. I mean, your criticisms are true. Very true. And I'd love to see a sequel at some point too. The can really do something excellent with this formula now that it's fully realized. But I'd hate to say it, they'd really be fixing what isn't broken, considering all the broken stuff their fixing LOL.
TimeEffect
Member
I think a sequel is more fitting next gen.
By then, they can do a refresh. Focus on new gameplay mechanics like dynamic lighting, and stronger destruction, while potentially adding a stronger single player. Nothing cinematic necessary even, just really nice Operations like in Modern Warfare 2's co-op mode. With a sequel, they can't add everything they have here. But what they can do is start with a new perspective, add a basic set of new and old operators, and then reintroduce new operators/maps with their current model and have it grow into a juggernaut again.
Right now, it really feels as if Ubisoft is cheap af with this game. They don't give it the attention and resources it deserves, while relying on the easy method of selling season passes.
I am afraid of a sequel getting screwed up by dumb publisher decisions. The team behind Siege is really, really good. Their decisions behind the game are so surprisingly consistent. They nailed the core experience, and then they've been really solid with balance and avoiding power creep.
All the operators, except for 1 or 2 feel extremely viable and versatile. There's a ton of mix and match possible and no real hard "meta" that is played in rank (there is one in the e-sports stuff, but the ranked community doesn't follow it like they do in something like Overwatch).
Yeah, you'll have your Ash rushers or Jaegers, but I have played tons of games where our teams didn't have Thatcher or Thermite/Hibana or Ash, etc. and still won games.
It really plays up to the game's "no two games are ever the same" tag.
A sequel this gen would not provide any real benefits. They will still have to make the game with Xbox One and base PS4 in mind. The map memory thing, we don't even know what they are refering to there. It could be (and most likely is) something completely on their end related to servers and unrelated to the console hardware and engine.
Also stronger destruction isn't necessarily a good thing, Siege CAN allow for complete destruction like seen in the reveal. There was even a version of game playable that had that...but anyone who's played Siege will tell you that level of destruction would've completely fucked up game balancing and was likely why it was removed...rather than because the game couldn't run it.
And yes, Siege truly is the embodiment of the (rather overused) marketing phrase "every encounter is different". In other games it just means 4-5 different ways, in Siege everything is truly different each time.
Also stronger destruction isn't necessarily a good thing, Siege CAN allow for complete destruction like seen in the reveal. There was even a version of game playable that had that...but anyone who's played Siege will tell you that level of destruction would've completely fucked up game balancing and was likely why it was removed...rather than because the game couldn't run it.
And yes, Siege truly is the embodiment of the (rather overused) marketing phrase "every encounter is different". In other games it just means 4-5 different ways, in Siege everything is truly different each time.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Not at all. Theres a learning curve but map knowledge is the most important thing which will come with time.
Cronnie
Member
Not at all, I just bought it less than a week ago, and there certainly is a learning curve (especially in regards to map knowledge), but I am already starting to hold my own after taking it slow and watching what more experienced players are doing.
I'd suggest making use of terrorist hunt to get used to the maps and guns when you are brand new, certainly helped me a lot before jumping into competitive multiplayer.
I found the matchmaking in casual to be pretty bad and got team-killed for being a "noob" on more than one occasion there, even before the round has actually started and I actually got to do anything. Definitely having a better experience in ranked, funnily enough, I'm at Gold very close to Platinum, and now people just assume I'm on a smurf account.
And that's fine. If they want to upgrade and change the engine to a new iteration they can still do that with the current game. They don't need a brand new game to do something like that, just because everyone else does that.
Like look at the changes Warframe has received since launch, how much the engine changes graphically and in terms of capability despite being the same game. It's possible to completely redo everything, just a matter of whether Devs want to do it or not. And in Siege's case it looks like Devs want to do it.
Absolutely, and they should do that. But it's probably not a priority right now what with the content drops and health patches. I'll guess that they will do it at some point, maybe after One X comes out.
TimeEffect
Member
Im not talking about making it like the reveal. More like adding in new features like being able to make holes in concrete floors or bringing down a small section of a ceiling to make a new entrance with the right gadgets, or take out chunks of staircases to make it necessary to have to vault up, etc.
I am sure they can design some maps around things like that.
I definitely don't want an entire room to lose its floor and make the hostage impossible to capture.
sectionse7en
Neo Member
No idea what edition this is. What are the reasons to not go for it?
Base game is £15, Season 2 + Game is £32. I don't think either of those are the starter edition.
World of Tanks also had a pretty dramatic graphics upgrade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqmca37bhv4
Though not as dramatic as Runescape:
Colonel Nasty
Member
I do not understand how this game hasn't had a pro or X update but the division will. One of the most popular shooters going right now and doesn't look like it's slowing down.
TimeEffect
Member
Ah sorry, by base you mean the vanilla/default version.
The starter edition is a budget version that gives you all the maps, but makes you grind really hard for all the operators.
Get Season 2 + Game.
Cronnie
Member
What platform are you buying it on? Starter edition is only available on PC, and requires A LOT (12.5k each instead of 500-2000 each) more renown for unlocking the base operators when compared to the standard edition, so that's why it isn't recommended for just a slightly cheaper price.
sectionse7en
Neo Member
Ah, thanks.
PS4.
Update: thanks chaps. I ended up going for the base game for £15. If I keep playing the game later this year, I'll grab the Season 2 pass. Maybe it'll be in a sale soon too. I'm on PS4 - PSN user ID is same as my neogaf username, if anyone fancies playing!
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Are season 1 operators included in season 2? If not I take it you need season 1 pass or have I missed the boat?
A serious amount of renown is needed for all the operators at this point no?
A serious amount of renown is needed for all the operators at this point no?
Beeblebrox
Member
Nope, they are not. You can buy them with renown (25k each), or you can grab Season 1 Operator bundle from the in-game store for their real-life currency (you buy R6 credits with real money, and then use it to buy Season 1 bundle). Not sure about its exact cost, but it should be around 20$/€ I think.
Edit: and don't forget - you have to buy all the original operators with renown too (25k renown total for all of them). But it's not that bad if you get hooked, and you will if you like slower and more tactical shooters.
And you can get solid amount of renown for doing some singleplayer challenges and daily/weekly challenges.
darkwing-buck
Member
Taking off the ACOG's for the speed 3 and 2 operators is intriguing.
Beeblebrox
Member
Rook is speed 1, so he'll still have his ACOG as far as I know.
darkwing-buck
Member
Woops had the order reversed, yay! lol
packy34
Member
Yes. No more 3 speed defenders rushing to spawn peek. From now on only 3 armor defenders can get ACOGs but they havent decided if they want to give them to Spetznaz yet or only future ops.
Beeblebrox
Member
Just checked it, since he's the only operator I use ACOG with. And even then rarely, since it zooms in too much for my taste when I'm playing defense
Retro Edge
Member
Thank you for the responses, very interesting to read. I agree with almost everything.
Psychoward
Banned
Something they could have learned from For Honor.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Thank you sir!
£20 for season 1 ops isnt too bad. Plus they probibly have the odd sale. I'll keep an eye out...thanks
If you think of it as a grind then you're probably not enjoying the game as much. The game provides you with enough variety while you earn renown to unlock the next operator. You don't need to have everything unlocked, it'll happen eventually but even unlocking one operator means by the time you feel satisfied playing as then you'll have enough money to buy the next.
I get that it feels like you always want to keep trying something new in terms of operators but if that's what's keeping you playing the game then once you unlock all of them you won't really have that carrot at the end of the stick anymore. Since after that point you'll always have enough renown for whenever a new operator drops as 3-4 months is a long time.
Even while playing one operator you'll have so much to learn and so many new things to try that if you actually get into the game then you'll not really feel like you're missing out and not learning new things. I have all operators unlocked on consoles but while playing on PC I only have a handful of them unlocked and I feel liked despite that I have a decent variety available for different situations.
I get that it feels like you always want to keep trying something new in terms of operators but if that's what's keeping you playing the game then once you unlock all of them you won't really have that carrot at the end of the stick anymore. Since after that point you'll always have enough renown for whenever a new operator drops as 3-4 months is a long time.
Even while playing one operator you'll have so much to learn and so many new things to try that if you actually get into the game then you'll not really feel like you're missing out and not learning new things. I have all operators unlocked on consoles but while playing on PC I only have a handful of them unlocked and I feel liked despite that I have a decent variety available for different situations.
Cronnie
Member
You can get all of the original operators (which is 20 in total) for 25k renown, which really doesn't take that long at all.
I bought the vanilla edition a week ago and already have all the base operators (with their weapons kitted out) plus one DLC one, and am already 8k in towards another DLC one.
Granted I've put a fair few hours in, but it never really felt like a grind at all, once you've got the base operators you already have quite a bit of variety when it comes to roles/playstyles. To me, the DLC operators after that give me something to work toward, but I don't feel at a disadvantage without them or anything like that.
Apeopleman
Member
I'm preparing my butthole for all the times I'm Gonna get team killed because I picked one of the new operators
GlassAwful
Member
What's all this operator talk? Is this now a free to play game with heroes? I don't remember talk of this stuff around release.
My friends and I have been looking for a new multiplayer game to get into and are getting bored with the Battlefield/COD merry-go-round. Is this a game that would still be enjoyable for veteran CS players or is this a grind-fest for loot now?
All this season specific stuff is confusing. The same reason I never bought Killer Instinct on Xbox One because I didn't understand which version I was supposed to buy to get the full experience with all the characters. Do I buy the latest version or all of them? Can I buy the base and grind to the end... None of it is explained anywhere.
My friends and I have been looking for a new multiplayer game to get into and are getting bored with the Battlefield/COD merry-go-round. Is this a game that would still be enjoyable for veteran CS players or is this a grind-fest for loot now?
All this season specific stuff is confusing. The same reason I never bought Killer Instinct on Xbox One because I didn't understand which version I was supposed to buy to get the full experience with all the characters. Do I buy the latest version or all of them? Can I buy the base and grind to the end... None of it is explained anywhere.
Yeah, I've got all the vanilla operators but the grind to the DLC ones feels endless. I don't think you ever feel like you're at a disadvantage, but it's kind of deflating to feel like you need to grind for weeks just to try a new operator.
Not trying to derail here though. Glad they're still adding to the game.
fluffydelusions
Member
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Game has been based around operators since it's inception. Each one even had a video.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
They really should just make season one operators free or for a deep discount at this point.
nillapuddin
Member
Yeah i agree, i think we came in right before/after mira and jackal and we love it. Missing S2 for Op Health stinks to long timers, but it just gave us more time to git gud.
Plus, the memessssssssss